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> Where did that name come

> > from anyway?

>

>ann I think it comes from scoby = Symbiotic Culture Of Bacteria

>and Yeast. Symbiotic meaning something like harmonious.

>Don't hit me if I'm wrong! )

>Sandy

I should not like to think I have contributed to an environment in which

people feel they will be attacked if they participate in the discussion

(this is the second remark today where people express this, even if

jokingly). It's true that I am a passionate person, and I will speak up

when I know about a topic, and I have a particular interest in weeding out

what is true from the commercially expedient. Because of this, I myself do

sometimes become a target and would not wish to perpetuate that.

I often will hang back and hope that others more new will address questions

they already understand because I think each of us grows as we share skills

we've learned. It also is an opportunity to find out where one can

improve, and that goes for me too, so yes, we all need to pitch in toward

finding the truth or, in most cases, best- (or most-likely-to-succeed)

practices.

Anyway, Sandy got it right

Symbiotic means, mutually beneficial. It used to be defined as " mutually

parasitic " until good old science realized hey! if each organism benefits,

it's not parasitism at all! chalk up another brilliant deduction. =D>

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

> Where did that name come

> > from anyway?

>

>ann I think it comes from scoby = Symbiotic Culture Of Bacteria

>and Yeast. Symbiotic meaning something like harmonious.

>Don't hit me if I'm wrong! )

>Sandy

I should not like to think I have contributed to an environment in which

people feel they will be attacked if they participate in the discussion

(this is the second remark today where people express this, even if

jokingly). It's true that I am a passionate person, and I will speak up

when I know about a topic, and I have a particular interest in weeding out

what is true from the commercially expedient. Because of this, I myself do

sometimes become a target and would not wish to perpetuate that.

I often will hang back and hope that others more new will address questions

they already understand because I think each of us grows as we share skills

we've learned. It also is an opportunity to find out where one can

improve, and that goes for me too, so yes, we all need to pitch in toward

finding the truth or, in most cases, best- (or most-likely-to-succeed)

practices.

Anyway, Sandy got it right

Symbiotic means, mutually beneficial. It used to be defined as " mutually

parasitic " until good old science realized hey! if each organism benefits,

it's not parasitism at all! chalk up another brilliant deduction. =D>

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

I also noticed new people asking others to be nice to them. I thought about

this today and I think it imiight be because of experiences on other lists.

Let me assure the new people (I'm an old hand now being on the list for a

whole couple of months...LOL) that this is THE nicest group of people I have

ever enjoyed.

Thanks!!!!!

Judy

>

>Reply-To: original_kombucha

>To: original_kombucha

>Subject: Re: Re: Question

>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:20:52 -0800

>

>

> > Where did that name come

> > > from anyway?

> >

> >ann I think it comes from scoby = Symbiotic Culture Of Bacteria

> >and Yeast. Symbiotic meaning something like harmonious.

> >Don't hit me if I'm wrong! )

> >Sandy

>

>I should not like to think I have contributed to an environment in which

>people feel they will be attacked if they participate in the discussion

>(this is the second remark today where people express this, even if

>jokingly). It's true that I am a passionate person, and I will speak up

>when I know about a topic, and I have a particular interest in weeding out

>what is true from the commercially expedient. Because of this, I myself do

>sometimes become a target and would not wish to perpetuate that.

>

>I often will hang back and hope that others more new will address questions

>they already understand because I think each of us grows as we share skills

>we've learned. It also is an opportunity to find out where one can

>improve, and that goes for me too, so yes, we all need to pitch in toward

>finding the truth or, in most cases, best- (or most-likely-to-succeed)

>practices.

>

>Anyway, Sandy got it right

>

>Symbiotic means, mutually beneficial. It used to be defined as " mutually

>parasitic " until good old science realized hey! if each organism benefits,

>it's not parasitism at all! chalk up another brilliant deduction. =D>

>

>--V

>

>

>

>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > Where did that name come

> > > from anyway?

> >

> >ann I think it comes from scoby = Symbiotic Culture Of

Bacteria

> >and Yeast. Symbiotic meaning something like harmonious.

> >Don't hit me if I'm wrong! )

> >Sandy

>

> I should not like to think I have contributed to an environment in

which

> people feel they will be attacked if they participate in the

discussion

> (this is the second remark today where people express this, even

if

> jokingly). It's true that I am a passionate person, and I will

speak up

> when I know about a topic, and I have a particular interest in

weeding out

> what is true from the commercially expedient. Because of this, I

myself do

> sometimes become a target and would not wish to perpetuate that.

>

,

I truly didn't mean any harm and hope that you did not in any way

think that *I* thought any ill will towards you. Yes you are

passionate and you SHOULD be when dispensing advice about something

we are using for our health.

I am glad that you are here and that you know as much as you do

about kombucha. Your way of correcting is NOT to attack and belittle-

you are fair and you state what you know to be true.

There are other sites that we go to where people are not so kind in

letting us know how *cough* stupid we are so maybe that carries

over. When you have been stung on one group you are still smarting

when you post on another.

I truly appreciate EACH and EVERY one of you on this group. The

newbies and the very knowledgeable oldies.

Thanks very much for being here.

Sincerely,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

said:

> > I should not like to think I have contributed to an environment in

which people feel they will be attacked if they participate in the

discussion (this is the second remark today where people express this,

even if jokingly).

and Sandy said:

> There are other sites that we go to where people are not so kind in

> letting us know how *cough* stupid we are so maybe that carries

> over. When you have been stung on one group you are still smarting

> when you post on another.

> Sincerely,

> Sandy

I have found this group to be most kind and welcoming. As Sandy

stated not all groups are so nice. On other sites I have witnessed

innocent newbies attacked for being " stupid " . I agree with Sandy the

fear of being attacked comes from previous experience not related to

this group.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I'm fairly new and everyone has been nothing but open arms and helpful. I

pray that people won't put us in a box because of past experiences, but

would feel welcomed and informed.

Rebekah

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We have a treatment room where babies aremoved to for circs, ect.

Deb

[OBnurses] Question

Our Level 1 and 2 nursery is being remodeled. we have a large 30x30 foot octagonally shaped room with windows (60 linear feet) surrounding more than half the perimeter.

..Currently we have miniblinds and a moveable screen which we can close for invasive procedures or privacy. Today we were told that the miniblinds will not be replaced, that the windows will be open 24/7, with no coverings of any type. We had suggested hospital draw curtains around our 3 special care warmers, but that was vetoed by administration. My coworkers and I have no problem having windows open to see stable babies, even those in special care or having family members in the nursery while we stabilize an infant, but we will not have a treatment room, so everything from circumcisions to a code would be "open viewing" for anyone who walked off the elevators. Do any of your nurseries have "total access viewing"?

I have a real concern about privacy for these infants. I know if my child was being coded, I would not want visitors gawking or taking pictures. We don't leave the door open in delivery rooms, or leave grown ups in rooms for public viewing while they are being cared for. I would welcome any thoughts or ideas.

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For all the reasons you mention, this may be a HIPPA violation waiting to

happen. Perhaps if the admin is approached from this angle they might see it

differently.

Terri

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For all the reasons you mention, this may be a HIPPA violation waiting to

happen. Perhaps if the admin is approached from this angle they might see it

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I agree with Terri; this is a HIPPA violation. You

have to have some privacy for proceedures etc. Any

savvy administrator should know this!

Cheryl

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> For all the reasons you mention, this may be a HIPPA

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> is approached from this angle they might see it

> differently.

> Terri

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I agree with Terri; this is a HIPPA violation. You

have to have some privacy for proceedures etc. Any

savvy administrator should know this!

Cheryl

--- " starjasmn@... "

wrote:

>

>

> For all the reasons you mention, this may be a HIPPA

> violation waiting to happen. Perhaps if the admin

> is approached from this angle they might see it

> differently.

> Terri

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[Guest guest]

I agree with the views of previous posters on the need for privacy with

some aspects of

newborn nursery care. It got me thinking, though. What if the

circumcisions were taken

out of the closet and done in full view of the public? It would end the

barbaric practise

as quick as a wink.

Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

I agree with the views of previous posters on the need for privacy with

some aspects of

newborn nursery care. It got me thinking, though. What if the

circumcisions were taken

out of the closet and done in full view of the public? It would end the

barbaric practise

as quick as a wink.

Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

So would slaughtering. Put that in public view & everyone would want to be vegetarian.

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So would slaughtering. Put that in public view & everyone would want to be vegetarian.

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[Guest guest]

this was an fMRI study i was referring to.-a ACC issues showing up on LORETA?i would expect temporal lobe issues showing up per the lability, and perhaps anterior cingulate issues subserving the lack of emotional connection.a study i read a while ago showed ACC activation when moms viewed pictures of their own kids, but not when vewing pics of neighbor kids.best,andrew> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children has> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom. She> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but doesn't feel much> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she just> waits until they are through. She's embarrassed by this and knows> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to the> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q next> week and what might I expect to see?>> Goldring> paul.goldring1verizon (DOT) net>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

this was an fMRI study i was referring to.-a ACC issues showing up on LORETA?i would expect temporal lobe issues showing up per the lability, and perhaps anterior cingulate issues subserving the lack of emotional connection.a study i read a while ago showed ACC activation when moms viewed pictures of their own kids, but not when vewing pics of neighbor kids.best,andrew> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children has> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom. She> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but doesn't feel much> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she just> waits until they are through. She's embarrassed by this and knows> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to the> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q next> week and what might I expect to see?>> Goldring> paul.goldring1verizon (DOT) net>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

this was an fMRI study i was referring to.-a ACC issues showing up on LORETA?i would expect temporal lobe issues showing up per the lability, and perhaps anterior cingulate issues subserving the lack of emotional connection.a study i read a while ago showed ACC activation when moms viewed pictures of their own kids, but not when vewing pics of neighbor kids.best,andrew> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children has> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom. She> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but doesn't feel much> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she just> waits until they are through. She's embarrassed by this and knows> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to the> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q next> week and what might I expect to see?>> Goldring> paul.goldring1verizon (DOT) net>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If you haven't read Dr. Osborn book, Over My Head, she goes into

great length to describe this problem of lack of affect to family and

friend. If you want to speak with her, let me know.

Best Regards,

Diane

P.S. How's are mutual patient coming along?

On 06/05/2008 3:08:20 PM, Goldring (paul.goldring1@...)

wrote:

> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children

has

> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom.

She

> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but

> doesn't feel much

> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she

just

> waits until they are through. She's

> embarrassed by this and knows

> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to

the

> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q

next

> week and what might I expect to see?

>

> Goldring

> paul.goldring1@...

>

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If you haven't read Dr. Osborn book, Over My Head, she goes into

great length to describe this problem of lack of affect to family and

friend. If you want to speak with her, let me know.

Best Regards,

Diane

P.S. How's are mutual patient coming along?

On 06/05/2008 3:08:20 PM, Goldring (paul.goldring1@...)

wrote:

> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children

has

> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom.

She

> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but

> doesn't feel much

> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she

just

> waits until they are through. She's

> embarrassed by this and knows

> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to

the

> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q

next

> week and what might I expect to see?

>

> Goldring

> paul.goldring1@...

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi ,lots of good suggestions re affect and perceptual empathy, but this problem is acquired from head injury, yes? given that i'd be looking closely at the sites of trauma, and contra coux paths. so for instance if there is excess frontal midline slow (delta through theta) amplitudes, or any strong frontal delta really, that would raise my interest. or perhaps very low coherence between frontal and temporal, or frontal and parietal sites, perhaps caused by shearing damage (might see higher beta frequencies or delta excesses, or both in one of the "ends" of a coherence issue).best,andrew ACC issues showing up on LORETA?i would expect temporal lobe issues showing up per the lability, and perhaps anterior cingulate issues subserving the lack of emotional connection.a study i read a while ago showed ACC activation when moms viewed pictures of their own kids, but not when vewing pics of neighbor kids.best,andrew> After a head injury a 45 year old mother of two adult children has> memory problems and emotional lability but also a new symptom. She> knows the children are hers, are not strangers, but doesn't feel much> toward them. they could be just anyone. they hug her and she just> waits until they are through. She's embarrassed by this and knows> something is wrong. This is a volatile Italian woman who prior to the> TBI was very close to them. What might this be? I am doing a Q next> week and what might I expect to see?>> Goldring> paul.goldring1verizon (DOT) net>>>>> ------------------------------------>>

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Connie,

Well, if recent studies say it, then your brain must be wrong. Were any of the studies specified, so we could check them out?

You'd have to be a little clearer about what Cory or the studies meant by P4 slower than P3. One option would be that the alpha at P4 was more tilted toward slow alpha (8-9.9 Hz) than at P3. That would offer the possibility that there was a reversal of 10-12 Hz alpha at P3/P4, with the left side having more fast alpha--exactly what son's 2005 paper on alpha asymmetry indicates would be consistent with the negative world view and potential depression. Dominant slow alpha or dominant slow activity are both consistent with depression.

The key to understanding anything like this posting is to understand that nothing is always good and nothing is always bad. The brain tells us whether a particular protocol will be helpful or not, both by whether it appears to show the pattern we are seeking (e.g. low alpha levels in the back) and how it responds to the training.

Thanks,

Pete

Pete, Cory Hammond just posted on the ISNR board that several recent studies have shown reverse asymmetry in the P's for depression. He mentioned that P4 is slower than P3 and this indicates depression.He urges not to ever increase alpha at P4.

Well that is my great protocol so for me it does not cause depression,(In fact it makes me very happy) but I was just wondering since this is the opposite of the TLC.

I am sure the board will have many replies but I was interested in your ideas on this.

-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Connie,

Well, if recent studies say it, then your brain must be wrong. Were any of the studies specified, so we could check them out?

You'd have to be a little clearer about what Cory or the studies meant by P4 slower than P3. One option would be that the alpha at P4 was more tilted toward slow alpha (8-9.9 Hz) than at P3. That would offer the possibility that there was a reversal of 10-12 Hz alpha at P3/P4, with the left side having more fast alpha--exactly what son's 2005 paper on alpha asymmetry indicates would be consistent with the negative world view and potential depression. Dominant slow alpha or dominant slow activity are both consistent with depression.

The key to understanding anything like this posting is to understand that nothing is always good and nothing is always bad. The brain tells us whether a particular protocol will be helpful or not, both by whether it appears to show the pattern we are seeking (e.g. low alpha levels in the back) and how it responds to the training.

Thanks,

Pete

Pete, Cory Hammond just posted on the ISNR board that several recent studies have shown reverse asymmetry in the P's for depression. He mentioned that P4 is slower than P3 and this indicates depression.He urges not to ever increase alpha at P4.

Well that is my great protocol so for me it does not cause depression,(In fact it makes me very happy) but I was just wondering since this is the opposite of the TLC.

I am sure the board will have many replies but I was interested in your ideas on this.

-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com305/433-3160The Learning Curve, Inc.

[Guest guest]

Now this doesn't make much sense to me. So this is my opinion> (and you know what they say about opinions! - opinions are like.....) anyways

I will tell you that I don't always understand the technical end of NFB as far as the algebra stuff always but i have had quite a bit of hands on experience with my own clients

i have only been doing NFB for about 5 years now and heave studied under othmers, pete, etc. i have come up with some of my own stuff and have learned so much from so many others that again i have manipulated and created to fit my clients needs

in my experience/opinion i have seen increasing the alpha at 10-12hz at P4 has ALWAYS been a positive protocol when the TLC shows that it can be done

I have always worked with the brain to allow the P4 to be greater than P3 and it has ALWAYS worked well for my clients that I use it on

(i see about 12 to 15 clients a day - 3 days a week)

so if this should help reassure you and make you feel more comfortable in using the P4 alpha up then please take my words otherwise if you should discover something through hands-on experience with clients that you could share i am very interested in learning new things

i guess what i am saying is don't take everything that anyone says as the gospel

try things out yourself and see how they work for ya

but no education or training (in my opinion) can ever replace good old fashioned hands -on experimentation!!!!!

best of luck and please let us know how you make out with this new idea

[Guest guest]

Now this doesn't make much sense to me. So this is my opinion> (and you know what they say about opinions! - opinions are like.....) anyways

I will tell you that I don't always understand the technical end of NFB as far as the algebra stuff always but i have had quite a bit of hands on experience with my own clients

i have only been doing NFB for about 5 years now and heave studied under othmers, pete, etc. i have come up with some of my own stuff and have learned so much from so many others that again i have manipulated and created to fit my clients needs

in my experience/opinion i have seen increasing the alpha at 10-12hz at P4 has ALWAYS been a positive protocol when the TLC shows that it can be done

I have always worked with the brain to allow the P4 to be greater than P3 and it has ALWAYS worked well for my clients that I use it on

(i see about 12 to 15 clients a day - 3 days a week)

so if this should help reassure you and make you feel more comfortable in using the P4 alpha up then please take my words otherwise if you should discover something through hands-on experience with clients that you could share i am very interested in learning new things

i guess what i am saying is don't take everything that anyone says as the gospel

try things out yourself and see how they work for ya

but no education or training (in my opinion) can ever replace good old fashioned hands -on experimentation!!!!!

best of luck and please let us know how you make out with this new idea