Hi

February 18, 2000

a, it sounds as tho you have really thought this challenge out and are

determined to see it to the end! Good for you! This group is such a

motivational factor in keeping us all on target. I had a few tough days and

didn't read emails at all and I thought for sure when I got back on I would

have a few choice gals to answer to . One of the areas that Bill doesn't

address specifically is the major mood swings and hormonal factors that play

head games. I know by eating right and the myoplex it should counteract the

mood swings. How did I get off on that???? Sorry, anyway, lots of success to

you. I also have a lab and just rescued a baby half shih tzu half yorkie (or

so the vet thinks) The 6 yr old lab is trying her best to ignore the puppy,

hoping that it goes away I'm sure cynthia

February 18, 2000

Hi Cyn,

I don't want to be out of line here, but do you think the mood swings and

hormonal activity could be due to our er....our age category? Can't honestly

say mine have been any worse (or any better!) on this program. It would be

interesting to hear if others experience the same thing too. Lean.

July 5, 2004

Bernice, You don't have to have a spouse/partner to make you happy; think of the

other relationships you have: friends, family, coworkers; My bestfriend and I

have decided if we out live our spouses, We are going to be the next golden

girls or ya ya sisters; we'll be wild women again. a

Bwilson0404@... wrote:i am so sorry. please forgive me when you asked me

that i stopped and said

what in the h_am i doing? i dent want this, like everyone. no excuse to be rude.

no one deserves this not even ex addicts no one i am scared of the unknown

you guys have came in-between me and a razor many nights

i got on anti depressants .the ADCs i got hear helped me and i do,i really do

love you guys. i will not behave this way. that is not me, i dont know what

is happening well i want to help you guys too and i am not. i pray. i am mad at

myself. i feel like i have been branded with a scarlet letter. no man wants a

relationship with me probal;ly. i dont like the thought that i wont get my

second chance with a great husband, and kids. i lost mine except my four years

old. i want to have a family. iwas goingto open a website for hep singles

wanting a mate or whatever but i guess it has been done already.

i have been given a life sentence to hep c,and a life sentence to you

wonderful souls

Forgive me.

i need to get control of this

you guys are surviving i can make it

i love you guys too

hugs and thanks

bernice

July 5, 2004

Remember the Free Clinic?

I'm the guy who beat out Super for the Tear gas Canister Toss in the

Peoples' Park Riots of 1969.( And that wasn't easy!)

Bob Drury

July 5, 2004

Boy does that ever sound familiar. As a 55 year old unreconstructed hippy who

managed an apartment

building on Clayton between Haight and Page back in the day, I can so totally

relate.

On a totally different note -- Is there any chance that those of y'all who

haven't been doing so

could start trimming your quote-back? I live in hope...

Wicked / Since 1949 the one true original real Robin A. Vosburg

" If I'd known I was gonna live this long. I'd have taken better care of myself. "

- Eubie Blake At

Age 100.

-----Original Message-----

Jets, there are so many skeletons in my closet that I can't even shut the door.

Maybe, I'll have a

garage sale??

paula

jetsliver@... wrote:

[snip] Oh... I've got the skeletons, too. [snip]

Jets

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witch@... writes:

Yup. Right next to the 94117 Post Office, catty-corner across the street

from the building I

managed, just up the block from one of the places where Charlie Manson lived

in S.F.

T'was the good old days for about six months. Then it was climbing over

three passed-out drunks

and two junkies to get from the front door to the street.

Been there. Done that. Wore out the T-shirts. Know it all, just can't

remember most of it on

demand any more...

Wicked / Since 1949 the one true original real Robin A. Vosburg, H-A in S.F.

1967-1971

" If I'd known I was gonna live this long. I'd have taken better care of

myself. " - Eubie Blake At

Age 100.

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I'm the guy who beat out Super for the Tear gas Canister Toss in the

Peoples' Park Riots of 1969.( And that wasn't easy!)

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September 2, 2004

Hi Janet,

Are there any doctors on this forum? Are you a doc?

Janet wrote:

Ric,

More than likely yes to that question. When I first found out that I

had Hep C, I went searching for others that could explain to me what

was going on with me and the diease.

I was in Delphi forums for a while and several others. But then I

formed this group and this has been my main focus every since.

Love

Janet

April 10, 2005

I have been on multiple types of interferons for 8 years both in

combo and mono therapies. I was on Infergen for 3 years in mono

treatment. I am 1a. I went from 6 million to 10 copies in a year. I

tolerate the therapies well. I am a cirrhotic with stage 3. But what

I found and is now backed up in studies that with a compromised

liver you reduce the chance of further liver problems with extended

long therapy. My blood work is normal with a billiruben of 2.5. Most

doctors that I know are happy with a 4.0. You may concider me a non

responder but to retain a stable copy level for all these years is a

triumph over the odds.

Hang in there I know there are those days when you may ask yourself

what the hell am I doing. But time may heal some of us over the

resistance of the numbers.

Rest in the fact that you are not alone.

Payers and hope,

Fred

have been dx. with HCV since last year. I am a genotype 1a, and

underwent Pagasys tx. After 30, yes, count them 30 weeks of tx,

they

decided I was a non-responder. That was September. This Friday, I

will begin new tx, Infergen. One shot every day, in addition to the

pills. I am very nervous about this phase of tx, and was not with

the

first. Perhaps because I know this is my last chance, as my liver

is

in a stage 4. Anyone with any information, regarding this tx. I

would

love to hear from you. I suppose, as long as I can pull myself out

of

the bed, I will be a long standing friend.

Thank you all, and be well.

Sandy

May 31, 2005

i aint a medical type drs just want money but herbal therapy works thisle of

milk aq bulgarian liver spealist at the va told me when i asked about

alternatives

johnny

Hobbs wrote:

c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about this liver cleanse

stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have anything to do with

hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make us feel better? does

our liver really look like a taco full of rocks? Why don't the

transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should anne get out the

hammer? ric

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May 31, 2005

well the medical one will kill you lre me get back to you im kinda pissed now

nothing to do with your message just a thing im dealing with i would like to

chat some more on the subject though ok

thanks johnny

Ric wrote:

well ny milk thistle costs money too, and it won't cure

jack.

" You can explore the universe looking for somebody who is more deserving of your

love and affection than you are yourself--

and you will not find that person anywhere. "

Buddhist saying.

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May 31, 2005

Milk Thistle only helps to support your liver

function, but will not kill this virus, only the

current treatment will do that sadly... Milk Thistle

is good and I DO take it but it never cleared my

virus, only the tx did...

--- johnny davis wrote:

> i aint a medical type drs just want money but herbal

> therapy works thisle of milk aq bulgarian liver

> spealist at the va told me when i asked about

> alternatives

> johnny

>

> Hobbs wrote:

> c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about this

> liver cleanse

> stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have

> anything to do with

> hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make us

> feel better? does

> our liver really look like a taco full of rocks?

> Why don't the

> transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should

> anne get out the

> hammer? ric

>

> It's a pleasure having you join in our

> conversations. We hope you have found the support

> you need with us.

>

> If you are using email for your posts, for easy

> access to our group, just click the link--

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

>

> Happy Posting

>

> ---------------------------------

>

May 31, 2005

hi Jax, I'm really not trying to argue here but would you help

me to understand what function MT helps with? be specfic. what

does it make better? ric

" You can explore the universe looking for somebody who is more deserving of your

love and affection than you are yourself--

and you will not find that person anywhere. "

Buddhist saying.

May 31, 2005

jackie does it keep it in check stop the spread make u feel better thanks 4

talking to me

ill talk later

but thanks 4 talking to me

i appreciate it

johnny

Jackie on wrote:

Milk Thistle only helps to support your liver

function, but will not kill this virus, only the

current treatment will do that sadly... Milk Thistle

is good and I DO take it but it never cleared my

virus, only the tx did...

--- johnny davis wrote:

> i aint a medical type drs just want money but herbal

> therapy works thisle of milk aq bulgarian liver

> spealist at the va told me when i asked about

> alternatives

> johnny

>

> Hobbs wrote:

> c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about this

> liver cleanse

> stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have

> anything to do with

> hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make us

> feel better? does

> our liver really look like a taco full of rocks?

> Why don't the

> transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should

> anne get out the

> hammer? ric

>

> It's a pleasure having you join in our

> conversations. We hope you have found the support

> you need with us.

>

> If you are using email for your posts, for easy

> access to our group, just click the link--

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

>

> Happy Posting

>

> ---------------------------------

>

May 31, 2005

Well ,

ny, some ppl claim when they take it initially it

causes some pain in the liver area,, but since the

liver has no nerves it would have to be the capsule

that surrounds the liver that is hurting. It, as far

as my knowledge does NOT fight the virus, but helps to

support the liver so it can fight the virus. Does it

stop the spread, no, not to my knowledge, does it

reduce the virus, no to my knowledge. The only thing

it does is to support the liver with nutrients it

needs to help it maintain its working order. But I

also think it can depend on how much damage you have

whether or not it will even do that..

You are welcome.

jackie

--- johnny davis wrote:

> jackie does it keep it in check stop the spread make

> u feel better thanks 4 talking to me

> ill talk later

> but thanks 4

> talking to me

> i

> appreciate it

>

> johnny

> Jackie on wrote:

> Milk Thistle only helps to support your liver

> function, but will not kill this virus, only the

> current treatment will do that sadly... Milk Thistle

> is good and I DO take it but it never cleared my

> virus, only the tx did...

>

> --- johnny davis wrote:

> > i aint a medical type drs just want money but

> herbal

> > therapy works thisle of milk aq bulgarian liver

> > spealist at the va told me when i asked about

> > alternatives

> > johnny

> >

> > Hobbs wrote:

> > c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about

> this

> > liver cleanse

> > stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have

> > anything to do with

> > hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make

> us

> > feel better? does

> > our liver really look like a taco full of rocks?

> > Why don't the

> > transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should

> > anne get out the

> > hammer? ric

> >

> > It's a pleasure having you join in our

> > conversations. We hope you have found the support

> > you need with us.

> >

> > If you are using email for your posts, for easy

> > access to our group, just click the link--

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

> >

> > Happy Posting

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

May 31, 2005

I know you are not trying to argue Ric, there is some

chemical in the milk thistle that is helpful for the

liver, what exactly, I will look up and post it ,, I

dont know exactly but I do know Dr. Murray has a

really good article on it,, you can find the article

at

www.dr.murray.com

--- Ric wrote:

>

> hi Jax, I'm really not trying to argue here but

> would you help

> me to understand what function MT helps with? be

> specfic. what

> does it make better? ric

>

> " You can explore the universe looking for somebody

> who is more deserving of your love and affection

> than you are yourself--

> and you will not find that person anywhere. "

> Buddhist saying.

>

Jackie

May 31, 2005

Hello Rik,

I think transplant surgeons DO notice. I also think that by the time

you get to one of them, it is really so bad, and some are so sick and medical

school doesn't cover THIS, so they keep quiet. They are not trained in

homeopathy. they cannot guarantee results, and they are looking to do research

in

this area (transplants).

They re trained to trust only patented pharmaceuticals from the " big guys "

They re not really trained to think about this stuff.

Yes, doctors do use human beings as guinea pigs.

No, your doc can't say, just take some of these herbs. Well, they could

but, they could be sued and found guilty of " uncommon " medical practice. they

do what med school says.

This web site is a 'medical " web site. There are gallstones and liver

stones.

_http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/#causes_

(http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/#causes)

Note that the first treatment suggested is SURGERY (surprise, surprise)

Note that the second is an oral pill. Do you know what is in CHEMIX ?

Could be the same stuff as the homeopathic doctor recommends, but this stuff is

of " unknown " makeup. Who knows what's in it?

The modern docs try to KILL the virus. the homeopaths try to get the body

to optimal health so that the body can take care of itself.

All of this from a girl with a premedical degree, and a couple of

appications in at the local med schools.

there is no one answer. Cleansing your body can help you along until the

docs come up with the real cure that doesn't kill you. Or, if taken in time,

before irreversable damage is done, this method can cure.

I am living proof.

Serena

May 31, 2005

hey bjackie thanks for the info

Jackie on wrote:Well ,

ny, some ppl claim when they take it initially it

causes some pain in the liver area,, but since the

liver has no nerves it would have to be the capsule

that surrounds the liver that is hurting. It, as far

as my knowledge does NOT fight the virus, but helps to

support the liver so it can fight the virus. Does it

stop the spread, no, not to my knowledge, does it

reduce the virus, no to my knowledge. The only thing

it does is to support the liver with nutrients it

needs to help it maintain its working order. But I

also think it can depend on how much damage you have

whether or not it will even do that..

You are welcome.

jackie

--- johnny davis wrote:

> jackie does it keep it in check stop the spread make

> u feel better thanks 4 talking to me

> ill talk later

> but thanks 4

> talking to me

> i

> appreciate it

>

> johnny

> Jackie on wrote:

> Milk Thistle only helps to support your liver

> function, but will not kill this virus, only the

> current treatment will do that sadly... Milk Thistle

> is good and I DO take it but it never cleared my

> virus, only the tx did...

>

> --- johnny davis wrote:

> > i aint a medical type drs just want money but

> herbal

> > therapy works thisle of milk aq bulgarian liver

> > spealist at the va told me when i asked about

> > alternatives

> > johnny

> >

> > Hobbs wrote:

> > c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about

> this

> > liver cleanse

> > stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have

> > anything to do with

> > hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make

> us

> > feel better? does

> > our liver really look like a taco full of rocks?

> > Why don't the

> > transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should

> > anne get out the

> > hammer? ric

> >

> > It's a pleasure having you join in our

> > conversations. We hope you have found the support

> > you need with us.

> >

> > If you are using email for your posts, for easy

> > access to our group, just click the link--

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

> >

> > Happy Posting

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

May 31, 2005

mispelled your name sorry about that jackie

hey bjackie thanks for the info

Jackie on wrote: Well ,

ny, some ppl claim when they take it initially it

causes some pain in the liver area,, but since the

liver has no nerves it would have to be the capsule

that surrounds the liver that is hurting. It, as far

as my knowledge does NOT fight the virus, but helps to

support the liver so it can fight the virus. Does it

stop the spread, no, not to my knowledge, does it

reduce the virus, no to my knowledge. The only thing

it does is to support the liver with nutrients it

needs to help it maintain its working order. But I

also think it can depend on how much damage you have

whether or not it will even do that..

You are welcome.

jackie

--- johnny davis wrote:

> jackie does it keep it in check stop the spread make

> u feel better thanks 4 talking to me

> ill talk later

> but thanks 4

> talking to me

> i

> appreciate it

>

> johnny

> Jackie on wrote:

> Milk Thistle only helps to support your liver

> function, but will not kill this virus, only the

> current treatment will do that sadly... Milk Thistle

> is good and I DO take it but it never cleared my

> virus, only the tx did...

>

> --- johnny davis wrote:

> > i aint a medical type drs just want money but

> herbal

> > therapy works thisle of milk aq bulgarian liver

> > spealist at the va told me when i asked about

> > alternatives

> > johnny

> >

> > Hobbs wrote:

> > c'mon some of you medical types. speak up about

> this

> > liver cleanse

> > stuff. I want to get past the jokes. does it have

> > anything to do with

> > hepatitis?. will it help our livers? will it make

> us

> > feel better? does

> > our liver really look like a taco full of rocks?

> > Why don't the

> > transplant surgeons notice? Is this BS?. Should

> > anne get out the

> > hammer? ric

> >

> > It's a pleasure having you join in our

> > conversations. We hope you have found the support

> > you need with us.

> >

> > If you are using email for your posts, for easy

> > access to our group, just click the link--

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

> >

> > Happy Posting

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

June 1, 2005

Serena, those articles are just about gall bladder stones. I

guess it makes sense that if stones are there (and I had some so

I got it yanked) and the kidneys, why not the liver? we even

have the personal story of a cup of gravel. So I believe they

can form there. Do they NEED to come out? maybe. Will you be

healthier once they do? maybe. will your bile duct work better?

I'm sure it would. but I have no GB, hence, no bile? Some other

questions I've had is will the cleanse work for those with

cirrhosis? another thought is why would folks on the transplant

list want their billirubin to go down?

Also Serena, I didn't see anything in your last post that

convinced me that you were cured of HCV These are just my

observations, I'm not for or against it. I'm just trying to

figure out what the benefits are........ric

" You can explore the universe looking for somebody who is more deserving of your

love and affection than you are yourself--

and you will not find that person anywhere. "

Buddhist saying.

June 1, 2005

I'd be afraid that there was some hidden downside to Milk Thistle.

Oh, and this link didn't work for me. www.dr.murray.com

> Serena, those articles are just about gall bladder stones. I

> guess it makes sense that if stones are there (and I had some so

> I got it yanked) and the kidneys, why not the liver? we even

> have the personal story of a cup of gravel. So I believe they

> can form there. Do they NEED to come out? maybe. Will you be

> healthier once they do? maybe. will your bile duct work better?

> I'm sure it would. but I have no GB, hence, no bile? Some other

> questions I've had is will the cleanse work for those with

> cirrhosis? another thought is why would folks on the transplant

> list want their billirubin to go down?

> Also Serena, I didn't see anything in your last post that

> convinced me that you were cured of HCV These are just my

> observations, I'm not for or against it. I'm just trying to

> figure out what the benefits are........ric

>

> " You can explore the universe looking for somebody who is more deserving of

> your love and affection than you are yourself--

> and you will not find that person anywhere. "

> Buddhist saying.

>

> It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have

> found the support you need with us.

>

> If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our group, just

> click the link--

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

>

> Happy Posting

>

> ________________________________

>

June 2, 2005

Yes i have that site book marked it is an awesome site sometimes u

need to blow off steam ANNITA

> Hey Annita, have you seen this site yet? It's a few years old now

but

> still applies........ric

> http://www.hepcsurvivalguide.org/comboguide.htm

March 9, 2008

Hi Reeze: I read your comments and understand where you are at -

at " a certain age " it much more difficult to get those pounds off.

Easy on not so easy off. In addition, it is depressing when your

clothes are tight and for me that starts a cycle... depressed, eat,

more depressed eat again.

Another group member (Amy) mentioned to me that it is good to

recognize the problem at 10lbs rather than let it go until it is 20-

30 or 40!

I have had success in the past with weight loss buddies - but they

are difficult to find.

I too am new to this group and I am signing up right now to eat

better. I am going to try smaller meals every 3hrs (300 cal) to

keep the hunger demons at bay. Also, I have been reading to keep

the sugar grams down.

Good luck - it is a battle worth winning!

insideoutweightloss , " reezerd " wrote:

>

> I thought I better introduce myself. I have been reading the posts

now for a few weeks and

> getting so much out of them.

>

> I am 51 and have been heavy my whole life. After my child was

born -- close to 20 years ago

> now. I got up to 195 and stayed there for awhile. About 10 years

ago I lost 50 pounds and

> have mostly kept off at least 40. Right before Christmas I was at

150 and had been there for

> close to a year. The holidays though put 9 pounds on me and I just

can't seem to get them

> off!! It amazes me that in the course of a couple weeks I could

gain 9 pounds.

>

> I am working on the weight loss. 's podcasts really help. I

want to stop obsessing about

> food. I want to be fit, lean and healthy. I want to be a great

role model to my kid. I don't

> need to be really slender. 145-150 is fine with me. Now my clothes

are just not fitting well

> and that is mentally and physically not a good place for me to be.

>

> Thanks to all of you for your posts.

>

> reeze

>

May 18, 2008

Hi, for beginning please excuses my English, I am not a native speaker.

My name is Sara and I become a member of this group about a month ago,

but I dint found the courage to write before.

I've lessened the podcasts and I've learned allot, but I still

found very difficult to cope with food problem. Currently, I have an

almost normal weight (60kg at 163 cm), but too much percentage of fat

and my relationship with food it ferry far by being a healthy one. A

the beginning of losing control of my weight, about three years ago, I

thought it is my fault, now I know that the way I was raised it is a big

factor and this thought it very hard for me to face. ..It was easier to

blame myself, much easier. Now I see myself in the position of adding

to the list of pain from the past things that I try to forget, and this

list is so big and is so hard to forgive when is no one to ask for

forgiveness. I don't know how to deal with the pain, I don't

know how to deal with the fact that she will never say at list

" sorry " because hour's proud it is much bigger then her love

for her children. ..so I eat… so I am ashamed, not because I eat,

but because I am still in pain for the past (I think is pathetic for my

age), because what is behind eating and because I have all the knowledge

to end this madness … so I eat…

Thank you for having me hire

Sara []

May 18, 2008

It sounds like you are on your way to Healing yourself... During this

healing you will learn to make yourself healthy and naturally slender.

Just don't give up!

Stand up, take a step and repeat! YOU CAN DO IT! You sound strong. :-)

The best of luck to you and please keep writing, it is very

therapeutic. If you cant always find the courage to write on this site,

write something in private.

May 18, 2008

Welcome Sara! It's good to hear from you. I wish you all the success in the

world.

sara_contius wrote: