Re: need advice on postponing vaccines for my newborn

[Guest guest]

Vannie, I got preg six mos after Allie was dxed. I always knew she

had regressed shortly after getting chicken pox at 9 mos old. One

day I was checking her vaccine record and a date simply leaped off

the page at me, then it all came back to me. Two wks after Allie had

her first chicken pox lesion the ped gave her a hepb to " catch her

up " because they had temporarily suspended the hepb when she was

born. It all made sense to me, my cousin had been in town the week

before Allie got the pox, and kept saying how great and smart Allie

seemed. Two weeks after the vaccine I video taped my oldest

daughter's birthday party. I could hear people talking about how all

Allie did was sit and play with wrapping paper for hrs, oblivious of

her surroundings.

I read Dr. Cave's " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You about Vaccines "

and she has a schedule that starts at 4 mos. When my baby, Dinah,

was born I told the ped that was the schedule I wanted to use,

printed up a copy, and put it in her chart. I refused any vaccines

in the hospital at her birth. Yet, when that four mo mark rolled

around, I couldn't bring myself to take her in. I had prayed about

it for months and felt absolutely no peace, in fact felt The Lord

telling me to refrain. I just didn't show up for well visits. At

around a year old Dinah was sick and I took her in. The ped had a

med student with her and jumped down my throat for failing to follow

the schedule " we had agreed to " . I just let her go on and said

little. I have been scheduling sick visits with another doc in the

group and Dinah has yet to have a well visit.

Dinah's now 18 mos old with a mild language delay. She has no other

symptoms of autism at all, and is beginning to talk. I think the

mild delay is just her individual progression, because today she

began saying no, stop, and don't all at the same time. However,

because she does present some slightly odd communication I'm even

more convinced to wait.

Do I worry? Oh, yes. Every time she get's a cough I wonder why on

earth I haven't given her a DPT. I imagine what guilt I would feel

to watch my baby suffer with pertussis. Yet, at the same time, there

is just a gut feeling I have that it would harm her. Even the

package insert says to not give to a first degree relative with a

neurological disorder. Autism is a neurological disorder. Since

she's over a year old, Hib is no longer an issue. I will not give

chicken pox, anyway. I'm never gonna do an MMR because Allie did

show all the symptoms of autistic entercolitis.

I would never tell you to *not* vaccinate, however. That is a very

individual choice. I did study each disease children receive

vaccines against, as well as the rate of natural outbreaks. The risk

of any of the diseases (exception of chicken pox) is, in my neck of

the woods, relatively tiny. That is one statistic of comfort. My

suggestion to you would be to research any potential outbreaks in

your region (like Puget Sound and high pertussis rate) and the rate

of vaccinated people contracting the disease vs. non-vaccinated. I

would also suggest to pray about your decision. I ask fairly often

for Him to convict me if I should be vaccinating her. So far, I find

no peace at the notion of vaccinating.

HTH,

Debi

> I'd like to know which vaccines are wary parents postponing? At

what

> age do you give the green light to go ahead give your baby shots?

I

> want my baby to be protected, but how do you go about spacing out

the

> vaccines? Any advice?

> --Vannie

[Guest guest]

I agree with Debi, but I can forward you a copy of Dr Cave's

vaccination schedule if you want.

So far, I find

> no peace at the notion of vaccinating.

>

> HTH,

> Debi

>

>

> > I'd like to know which vaccines are wary parents postponing? At

> what

> > age do you give the green light to go ahead give your baby

shots?

> I

> > want my baby to be protected, but how do you go about spacing

out

> the

> > vaccines? Any advice?

> > --Vannie

[Guest guest]

I agree with Debi. You can wait for the shots until your child

reaches all the milestones you think are important to have. I got my

firstborn all her shots. she is ADHD/APD. My second child I got all

her shots except the SECOND MMR and the chicken pox. She is non-

verbal autistic/ADHD. My last child, I got the 2 and 4 month shots

and then noticed he was a little behind. I got a religious exemption

and he has not recieved any more shots. He is 4 now and has language

finally and is coming along in all the other areas beautifully. I'm

glad I took a chance. I don't think I could have lived with myself

if I had gotten him his shots and he would have been as severley

autistic as my middle child.(I wouldn't trade her for the world),but

if there was even a slight chance I could prevent it...well I had to

take it. Not to be mean, but I would rather he got a disease from

not being vaccinated than to have to live a lifetime in his own

little world. I'm at peace with my decision and someday he'll have

his shots.You have to go with whatever feels right to you. Don't let

others force you into a decision you may regret later(either way).

It's an individual choice to vaccinate or not, but it should be an

informed chioce too. I worry every day.Good luck.

Ginnene

www.specialneedschildrennetwork.com

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:13:26 -0000

Subject: Re: need advice on postponing vaccines for my newborn

Vannie, I got preg six mos after Allie was dxed. I always knew she

had regressed shortly after getting chicken pox at 9 mos old. One

day I was checking her vaccine record and a date simply leaped off

the page at me, then it all came back to me. Two wks after Allie had

her first chicken pox lesion the ped gave her a hepb to " catch her

up " because they had temporarily suspended the hepb when she was

born. It all made sense to me, my cousin had been in town the week

before Allie got the pox, and kept saying how great and smart Allie

seemed. Two weeks after the vaccine I video taped my oldest

daughter's birthday party. I could hear people talking about how all

Allie did was sit and play with wrapping paper for hrs, oblivious of

her surroundings.

I read Dr. Cave's " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You about Vaccines "

and she has a schedule that starts at 4 mos. When my baby, Dinah,

was born I told the ped that was the schedule I wanted to use,

printed up a copy, and put it in her chart. I refused any vaccines

in the hospital at her birth. Yet, when that four mo mark rolled

around, I couldn't bring myself to take her in. I had prayed about

it for months and felt absolutely no peace, in fact felt The Lord

telling me to refrain. I just didn't show up for well visits. At

around a year old Dinah was sick and I took her in. The ped had a

med student with her and jumped down my throat for failing to follow

the schedule " we had agreed to " . I just let her go on and said

little. I have been scheduling sick visits with another doc in the

group and Dinah has yet to have a well visit.

Dinah's now 18 mos old with a mild language delay. She has no other

symptoms of autism at all, and is beginning to talk. I think the

mild delay is just her individual progression, because today she

began saying no, stop, and don't all at the same time. However,

because she does present some slightly odd communication I'm even

more convinced to wait.

Do I worry? Oh, yes. Every time she get's a cough I wonder why on

earth I haven't given her a DPT. I imagine what guilt I would feel

to watch my baby suffer with pertussis. Yet, at the same time, there

is just a gut feeling I have that it would harm her. Even the

package insert says to not give to a first degree relative with a

neurological disorder. Autism is a neurological disorder. Since

she's over a year old, Hib is no longer an issue. I will not give

chicken pox, anyway. I'm never gonna do an MMR because Allie did

show all the symptoms of autistic entercolitis.

I would never tell you to *not* vaccinate, however. That is a very

individual choice. I did study each disease children receive

vaccines against, as well as the rate of natural outbreaks. The risk

of any of the diseases (exception of chicken pox) is, in my neck of

the woods, relatively tiny. That is one statistic of comfort. My

suggestion to you would be to research any potential outbreaks in

your region (like Puget Sound and high pertussis rate) and the rate

of vaccinated people contracting the disease vs. non-vaccinated. I

would also suggest to pray about your decision. I ask fairly often

for Him to convict me if I should be vaccinating her. So far, I find

no peace at the notion of vaccinating.

HTH,

Debi

[Guest guest]

We have vaccinated our second child at a much slower rate. He got

first doses of *required* vaccines starting at a few months old and

spaced months apart. Then we had blood testing to check his titers

to see if he was already immune or needed boosters-he did not need

the boosters. Our ped ordered the separate dose vaccines of measles,

mumps, rubella of which he has only had rubella (he is 2 1/2)

The " non required " shots we got none of-those not required by school

such as pneumococcal, chicken pox, flu, etc. Its certainly a

personal decision and not one we have taken lightly. Our son is

advanced in every way and a great little boy. Best of luck.

-

-- In Autism_in_Girls , " babyfishfry "

<babyfishfry@y...> wrote:

> Today I had a doc appt. for my newborn daughter (almost 4 months

old)

> to get her 1st dose of Prevnar. Well, I had postponed the appt. a

few

> weeks ago..and then today I ended up doing some research on the

> internet hours before the appt. and just got this queasy feeling in

> my stomach. I started to stress about it & ended up calling in to

> cancel the appt. I was upfront with the secretary and told her I

just

> wanted to do more research on vaccines this time around since my

> first born daughter Ruby ( 2 1/2 years old) was dx with autism a

few

> weeks ago. She was understanding but said, " We would never give

your

> baby something that wasn't safe. "

>

> I may never know what caused the autism in Ruby, and most doctors

> (including one of my relatives) will just say the link to autism is

> all hogwash...but the more I read about mercury

poisoning..thermosal,

> etc. the more squeamish I get!

> I'd like to know which vaccines are wary parents postponing? At

what

> age do you give the green light to go ahead give your baby shots? I

> want my baby to be protected, but how do you go about spacing out

the

> vaccines? Any advice?

> --Vannie