Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Translaw : >The problem is " primers enconding portions of genes " They are like to be called 'primer' in Spanish as well. These are PCR primers with a DNA sequence corresponding to the gag, pol, etc regions of the genes. Hope this makes the translation easier -- Maarten de Bruijn PhD, AITI matmed@... 19 Belmont Avenue Macclesfield " Statistics are used as a drunk uses lamp posts: Cheshire SK10 3JN, UK for support, not illumination " (Anon.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Hi, If it may help, here's the French les amorces codant des fractions de genes, which " fractions " are " gag, pol, etc. " My Spanish is not good enough in this sense, but someone else can find it from the French. I hope so ... GUILLIAUMET - France Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology E-mail : cgtradmed@... Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 -----Message d'origine----- De : Translaw À : medical_translationegroups <medical_translationegroups> Date : lundi 21 février 2000 17:18 Objet : GENETICS ENG-SPA >I am translating a paper on BAC and I found the following sentence that I >don't understand. > > With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or >env that are conserved in >the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human BAC could prove successful in >detecting sequences of new retroviruses contained within the BAC genome. > >The problem is " primers enconding portions of genes " > >As usual, this is urgent. > >Suggestions are welcome. > >Thanks, > >Sil >translaw@... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >For the fastest, easiest way to backup files and access them from >anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance >to win a digital camera. >http://click./1/1783/2/_/98296/_/951149712/ > >-- Talk to your group with your own voice! >-- /VoiceChatPage?listName=medical_translation & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 >>With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or env that are conserved in the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human BAC could prove successful in detecting sequences of new retroviruses contained within the BAC genome. The problem is " primers enconding portions of genes " << read it as: with the use of primers, encoding portions of genes that are conserved..., the PCR on human bac etc. Hartelijke groeten * Bart * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 > With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or > env that are conserved in the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human BAC could prove successful in > detecting sequences of new retroviruses contained within the BAC genome. > > The problem is " primers enconding portions of genes " primer => 1) in DNA replication, a short stretch of RNA required to initiate DNA synthesis. 2) in PCR (polymerase chain reaction), a short oligonucleotide of definded sequence which is annealed to the DNA template to initiate PCR. If you know the translation for " primer " (the piece required to start the reaction), you can translate the rest literally, except for " gad, pol, env " => these are the names of important genes of RNA viruses and must NOT be translated. HTH, Ursula _________________________________________ Ursula Vielkind, Ph.D. German/English Translation in Biological Sciences Tel: +1 Fax: +1 e-mail: uvielk@... http://members.xoom.com/Vielkind/ursula.html http://home.istar.ca/~hpca/urvi.html ________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 >>The problem is " primers enconding portions of genes " I would suggest Primers (o cebadores) que codifican partes de genes. Frida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Thank you for your kind cooperation. Primer was not translated so the rest looked easier. Thanks again Silvia translaw@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 I'm sorry, but in French we do make the effort to translate primer = amorce, so I do hope that you can do at least the same, and use " cebador " or " fijacion del cebador " (I've checked it since my lasr message), or do you want to promote " easyness " and use primer ? !! Do you want to promote " spanglish " ? I Think this is againts the translator's ethics ! GUILLIAUMET - France Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology E-mail : cgtradmed@... Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 -----Message d'origine----- De : Translaw À : medical_translationegroups <medical_translationegroups> Date : lundi 21 février 2000 20:45 Objet : Re: GENETICS ENG-SPA >Thank you for your kind cooperation. > >Primer was not translated so the rest looked easier. > >Thanks again > >Silvia >translaw@... > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE >service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your >own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control >for the Internet! >http://click./1/1675/2/_/98296/_/951162129/ > >-- Check out your group's private Chat room >-- /ChatPage?listName=medical_translation & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Maarten de Bruijn : >These are PCR primers with a DNA sequence corresponding to the gag, pol, >etc regions of the genes. Slightly off course here: .... corresponding to parts of genes, such as gag, pol, etc, which are conserved ... Sigh. -- Maarten de Bruijn PhD, AITI matmed@... 19 Belmont Avenue Macclesfield " Statistics are used as a drunk uses lamp posts: Cheshire SK10 3JN, UK for support, not illumination " (Anon.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Dear , I have a different point of view. When a foreign term is used in the jargon of a certain field of specialization, what's the use of translating it if nobody will understand the meaning? At least in Argentina, I have checked with some specialists in genetics and, altough they know that the term " cebador " exists, they would not use it at all in a technical context. I have always thought that whenever there is a translation for a certain word we should use it, but now I think that it is against my personal and professional ethics to translate something nobody will understand. It is more ethical to be less strict and try to meet the needs of those you are translating for. One example is the R.S.V.P. that appears on almost all the invitations you receive. Everybody knows that this stands for Reservez s'il vous plait but if you wrote RPF (reserve por favor) nobody would know what the acronym means. This is a clear example of foreing terms incorporated to everyday language and nobody cares about them. With kind regards, Sil translaw@... >I'm sorry, but in French we do make the effort to translate primer = >amorce, so I do hope that you can do at least the same, and use " cebador " or > " fijacion del cebador " (I've checked it since my lasr message), or do you >want to promote " easyness " and use primer ? !! Do you want to promote > " spanglish " ? I Think this is againts the translator's ethics ! > GUILLIAUMET - France >Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie >Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology >E-mail : cgtradmed@... >Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 >Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 Dear Sil, I understand your reasons : looking for the best way to be understood by the greatest number. But, what is interesting, it is that in France all the the journals and people involved in PCR use the French translation " amorce " . So, it seems that the South-American culture accepts (and prefers) the North-American culture and that people don't mind losing their national identity and language (maybe because the latter was not the real national one because already imported centuries ago ...) Really interesting. As for RSVP, it means " Répondre (or répondez) sil vous plaît " :-) Have a nice day GUILLIAUMET - France Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology E-mail : cgtradmed@... Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 -----Message d'origine----- De : Translaw À : medical_translationegroups <medical_translationegroups> Date : lundi 21 février 2000 22:22 Objet : Re: GENETICS ENG-SPA >Dear , > >I have a different point of view. When a foreign term is used in the jargon >of a certain field of specialization, what's the use of translating it if >nobody will understand the meaning? At least in Argentina, I have checked >with some specialists in genetics and, altough they know that the term > " cebador " exists, they would not use it at all in a technical context. I >have always thought that whenever there is a translation for a certain word >we should use it, but now I think that it is against my personal and >professional ethics to translate something nobody will understand. It is >more ethical to be less strict and try to meet the needs of those you are >translating for. > >One example is the R.S.V.P. that appears on almost all the invitations you >receive. Everybody knows that this stands for Reservez s'il vous plait but >if you wrote RPF (reserve por favor) nobody would know what the acronym >means. This is a clear example of foreing terms incorporated to everyday >language and nobody cares about them. > >With kind regards, > >Sil >translaw@... > >>I'm sorry, but in French we do make the effort to translate primer = >>amorce, so I do hope that you can do at least the same, and use " cebador " >or >> " fijacion del cebador " (I've checked it since my lasr message), or do you >>want to promote " easyness " and use primer ? !! Do you want to promote >> " spanglish " ? I Think this is againts the translator's ethics ! >> GUILLIAUMET - France >>Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie >>Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology >>E-mail : cgtradmed@... >>Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 >>Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's the coolest new Web resource? It's the AskMe Page, which allows you >to have your own Q & A platform, interact with peers and earn rewards! It's >simple, fun & FREE! Get it now! Click here: >http://click./1/1459/2/_/98296/_/951167926/ > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- /docvault/medical_translation/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 cgtradmed : >I understand your reasons : looking for the best way to be understood by the >greatest number. But, what is interesting, it is that in France all the the >journals and people involved in PCR use the French translation " amorce " . So, >it seems that the South-American culture accepts (and prefers) the >North-American culture and that people don't mind losing their national >identity and language (maybe because the latter was not the real national >one because already imported centuries ago ...) , I think you will find that French is not the standard in this instance, but the exception. -- Maarten de Bruijn PhD, AITI matmed@... 19 Belmont Avenue Macclesfield " Statistics are used as a drunk uses lamp posts: Cheshire SK10 3JN, UK for support, not illumination " (Anon.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 Silvia These are PCR primers with a DNA sequence corresponding to the gag, pol, etc regions of the genes Sorry not to reply earlier, but I had problems with the server. How about rephrasing the sentence and use " imprimacion " , from priming, which it is used in the field ( at least in Spain)? Se trata de " elementos, segmentos, , etc " " de imprimación con una ..... I agree that cebador will not work, but might have a point :-). a *********** ********** ********* eidiom@... etheridiom@... Accredited Translation, (IoL; ITI) (En<>Sp); Copyediting and Revisions Visite nuestra Website: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom tel/fax: 952 40 6861 >Thank you for your kind cooperation. > >Primer was not translated so the rest looked easier. > >Thanks again > >Silvia >translaw@... > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE >service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your >own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control >for the Internet! >http://click./1/1675/2/_/98296/_/951162129/ > >-- Check out your group's private Chat room >-- /ChatPage?listName=medical_translation & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 > With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or > env that are conserved in the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human > BAC could prove successful in detecting sequences of new retroviruses > contained within the BAC genome. Hello: as this subject keeps propping up, I might as well ask if someone can satisfy my curiosity: What is BAC in this context? " human BAC " implies a *gene product* called BAC, but " BAC genome " would imply an *organism* called BAC. Or should this be " BAC gene " ? Ursula _________________________________________ Ursula Vielkind, Ph.D. German/English Translation in Biological Sciences Tel: +1 Fax: +1 e-mail: uvielk@... http://members.xoom.com/Vielkind/ursula.html http://home.istar.ca/~hpca/urvi.html ________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 Hi Ursula! >What is BAC in this context? BAC means bronchioloalveolar carcinoma Sil translaw@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 Thanks, Sil: Well, in that case " PCR on human BAC " is done to learn more about the *disease* BAC by finding out if there are, in fact, viral sequences present in the BAC *gene* (rather than BAC *genome* - as I suspected, there is no such thing because BAC is not an orgnanism). Greetings from Ontario, Ursula > >What is BAC in this context? > > BAC means bronchioloalveolar carcinoma > > Sil > translaw@... --- > With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or > env that are conserved in the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human > BAC could prove successful in detecting sequences of new retroviruses > contained within the BAC genome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2000 Report Share Posted February 22, 2000 Thanks, Sil: Well, in that case " PCR on human BAC " is done to learn more about the *disease* BAC by finding out if there are, in fact, viral sequences present in the BAC *gene* (rather than BAC *genome* - as I suspected, there is no such thing because BAC is not an orgnanism). Greetings from Ontario, Ursula > >What is BAC in this context? > > BAC means bronchioloalveolar carcinoma > > Sil > translaw@... --- > With the use of primers encoding portions of genes such as gag, pol or > env that are conserved in the family of retroviruses, the PCR on human > BAC could prove successful in detecting sequences of new retroviruses > contained within the BAC genome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 Thank you a, for " the point " :-) Yes, I think we all must do our best to translate everytime it is possible. That's a part of our job to train our clients to protect our native languages from external pollution, wherever this comes from. About " cebador " , as I've said before, I'm not at all an expert in Spanish (in this sense of translation) and saw it used on some sites, but I'm happy to hear of " imprimacion " . So, would it be extravagant to use " imprimador " ? Just a question, please don't flame me, dear colleagues :-) GUILLIAUMET - France Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology E-mail : cgtradmed@... Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 -----Message d'origine----- De : EIDIOM À : medical_translationegroups <medical_translationegroups> Date : mardi 22 février 2000 18:12 Objet : Re: GENETICS ENG-SPA >Silvia > >These are PCR primers with a DNA sequence corresponding to the gag, pol, >etc regions of the genes > >Sorry not to reply earlier, but I had problems with the server. > >How about rephrasing the sentence and use " imprimacion " , from priming, >which it is used in the field ( at least in Spain)? > >Se trata de " elementos, segmentos, , etc " " de imprimación con una ..... > >I agree that cebador will not work, but might have a point :-). >a > > >*********** ********** ********* >eidiom@... >etheridiom@... >Accredited Translation, (IoL; ITI) (En<>Sp); Copyediting and Revisions >Visite nuestra Website: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom >tel/fax: 952 40 6861 > > > >>Thank you for your kind cooperation. >> >>Primer was not translated so the rest looked easier. >> >>Thanks again >> >>Silvia >>translaw@... >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE >>service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your >>own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control >>for the Internet! >>http://click./1/1675/2/_/98296/_/951162129/ >> >>-- Check out your group's private Chat room >>-- /ChatPage?listName=medical_translation & m=1 >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as >0.0% Intro APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no >hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit >you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: >http://click./1/966/2/_/98296/_/951239354/ > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- /cal?listname=medical_translation & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 Thank you a, for " the point " :-) Yes, I think we all must do our best to translate everytime it is possible. That's a part of our job to train our clients to protect our native languages from external pollution, wherever this comes from. About " cebador " , as I've said before, I'm not at all an expert in Spanish (in this sense of translation) and saw it used on some sites, but I'm happy to hear of " imprimacion " . So, would it be extravagant to use " imprimador " ? Just a question, please don't flame me, dear colleagues :-) GUILLIAUMET - France Traductions Médicales - Médecine et Pharmacologie Medical Translations - Medicine and Pharmacology E-mail : cgtradmed@... Phone : +33 (0)4 75 90 96 85 Fax : + 33 (0)4 75 90 96 91 -----Message d'origine----- De : EIDIOM À : medical_translationegroups <medical_translationegroups> Date : mardi 22 février 2000 18:12 Objet : Re: GENETICS ENG-SPA >Silvia > >These are PCR primers with a DNA sequence corresponding to the gag, pol, >etc regions of the genes > >Sorry not to reply earlier, but I had problems with the server. > >How about rephrasing the sentence and use " imprimacion " , from priming, >which it is used in the field ( at least in Spain)? > >Se trata de " elementos, segmentos, , etc " " de imprimación con una ..... > >I agree that cebador will not work, but might have a point :-). >a > > >*********** ********** ********* >eidiom@... >etheridiom@... >Accredited Translation, (IoL; ITI) (En<>Sp); Copyediting and Revisions >Visite nuestra Website: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom >tel/fax: 952 40 6861 > > > >>Thank you for your kind cooperation. >> >>Primer was not translated so the rest looked easier. >> >>Thanks again >> >>Silvia >>translaw@... >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE >>service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your >>own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control >>for the Internet! >>http://click./1/1675/2/_/98296/_/951162129/ >> >>-- Check out your group's private Chat room >>-- /ChatPage?listName=medical_translation & m=1 >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as >0.0% Intro APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no >hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit >you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: >http://click./1/966/2/_/98296/_/951239354/ > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- /cal?listname=medical_translation & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 Dear , Sivaia and the rest >Yes, I think we all must do our best to translate everytime it is possible. >That's a part of our job to train our clients to protect our native >languages from external pollution, wherever this comes from. That is a very tricky and dificult issue. There are cultural issues involve in here and often is dificult to strick the balance Since I am in the Net I have grown much more respectful and understand better the translation " customes " in SouthAmerica. The fact that Spain is more anti spanglish, as a culture, does not mean Argentina or Mexico has to be so... The imporant thing is what people " understand " . I also know that they " fight " Spanglish whenever possible.... if the term has not consolidated into the culture, like everywhere else >About " cebador " , as I've said before, I'm not at all an expert in Spanish >(in this sense of translation) and saw it used on some sites, but I'm happy >to hear of " imprimacion " . So, would it be extravagant to use " imprimador " ? After writing my e-mail, I also came accross " cebador " in an article published by Investigacion y ciencia ( Spanish version of Scientific American) regarding PCR techniques... However, it was not clear whether it was the same as the " primers " we are dealing with. I did not have time to go further into it , and I guess Silvia has finished her translation by now :-) Imprimador sounds awful, but so did imprimacion the first time I found it. However, in Spain it has become an " OK " term in the medical and other fields, but that might not be the case in Argentina. Is that so Silvia? I assume that priming and primer were terms " exported " by genetics from other industries ( " primers " are used before " painting " , right?) I am having problems with the server I use for the list and I will have to unsubcribe for a while. So I will be back as soons as possible. My main address ( etheridioml@...) is still fully functional. a Translation and Copy-editing etheridiom@... tef/fax 952 40 68 61 Web: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 Dear , Sivaia and the rest >Yes, I think we all must do our best to translate everytime it is possible. >That's a part of our job to train our clients to protect our native >languages from external pollution, wherever this comes from. That is a very tricky and dificult issue. There are cultural issues involve in here and often is dificult to strick the balance Since I am in the Net I have grown much more respectful and understand better the translation " customes " in SouthAmerica. The fact that Spain is more anti spanglish, as a culture, does not mean Argentina or Mexico has to be so... The imporant thing is what people " understand " . I also know that they " fight " Spanglish whenever possible.... if the term has not consolidated into the culture, like everywhere else >About " cebador " , as I've said before, I'm not at all an expert in Spanish >(in this sense of translation) and saw it used on some sites, but I'm happy >to hear of " imprimacion " . So, would it be extravagant to use " imprimador " ? After writing my e-mail, I also came accross " cebador " in an article published by Investigacion y ciencia ( Spanish version of Scientific American) regarding PCR techniques... However, it was not clear whether it was the same as the " primers " we are dealing with. I did not have time to go further into it , and I guess Silvia has finished her translation by now :-) Imprimador sounds awful, but so did imprimacion the first time I found it. However, in Spain it has become an " OK " term in the medical and other fields, but that might not be the case in Argentina. Is that so Silvia? I assume that priming and primer were terms " exported " by genetics from other industries ( " primers " are used before " painting " , right?) I am having problems with the server I use for the list and I will have to unsubcribe for a while. So I will be back as soons as possible. My main address ( etheridioml@...) is still fully functional. a Translation and Copy-editing etheridiom@... tef/fax 952 40 68 61 Web: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 > I assume that priming and primer were terms " exported " by genetics from > other industries ( " primers " are used before " painting " , right?) I would think, in both cases " primer " has to do something with the Latin " primus " . I am surprised that Spanish doesn't seem to have a very similar word for this. Here in Ontario, we have the first signs of " primavera " : all the snow is melting away... Ursula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 > I assume that priming and primer were terms " exported " by genetics from > other industries ( " primers " are used before " painting " , right?) I would think, in both cases " primer " has to do something with the Latin " primus " . I am surprised that Spanish doesn't seem to have a very similar word for this. Here in Ontario, we have the first signs of " primavera " : all the snow is melting away... Ursula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 >I would think, in both cases " primer " has to do something with the Latin > " primus " . I am surprised that Spanish doesn't seem to have a very similar >word for this. Yes primo primario, primera, etc but it would not include the meaning of primer... By the way how can I unsubscribe temporarily from the list? . Could anyone tell me? Thanks *********** ********** ********* eidiom@... etheridiom@... Accredited Translation, (IoL; ITI) (En<>Sp); Copyediting and Revisions Visite nuestra Website: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom tel/fax: 952 40 6861 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 >I would think, in both cases " primer " has to do something with the Latin > " primus " . I am surprised that Spanish doesn't seem to have a very similar >word for this. Yes primo primario, primera, etc but it would not include the meaning of primer... By the way how can I unsubscribe temporarily from the list? . Could anyone tell me? Thanks *********** ********** ********* eidiom@... etheridiom@... Accredited Translation, (IoL; ITI) (En<>Sp); Copyediting and Revisions Visite nuestra Website: http://personal4.iddeo.es/etheridiom tel/fax: 952 40 6861 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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