Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Hi Harry. I wish you could read Dr. Bernsteins book... many of his patients had edema and in 4 months of keeping bgs in range of 80 to 120 the symptoms reversed. High bgs will cause most physical problems in diabetics. Good luck Harry, you can do it! Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. My take > on > > > it > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to me, at > least > > > now > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a teenager. Now I > > can > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's already > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the next belt > > size > > > so > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing something > right > > > for > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I can > look > > at > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of fingersticks, I'd > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not knowing if I > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my 50's. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Hey , Thanks for your thoughts. Actually with respect to the issue of my doctor being the one interested in particular times for what the bgs is, it was also my dietitian who said that, too, but I'm trying to warm up to the idea of checking it more often so I can see for myself how far up the wave of sugar spikes and then rolls off. I know it's important to check bgs often because the body is always working and I would like to have a running account of what's going on, but at the same time I do hate those fingersticks even though I know they are the most accurate method around. When I first got the glucometer and I was getting used to doing the fingerstick, I was doing it wrong at first and wasted almost one batch of needles before I got it right. And of course that means that when I run out of this batch I'll probably have to buy one on my own since the insurance company will probably get out of paying saying that I'm reordering too soon. I don't know how much they cost without my insurance, but I'll cross that bridge when I deplete this supply. So I guess part of me wants to conserve the needles and not use 5-6 a day..... Putting the carbs into perspective yes I can see that a cereal breakfast can add up carbs quickly. I use nonfat milk, never regular, but even that has 11 carbs? Gee! I should look on the box of our instant oatmeal and see if it's any less so I have something to fall back on, that maybe would be less carbs. Maybe it'll be more... Yes you are right too that the goal of keeping carbs in line is about keeping the pancreas functioning which in turn helps the whole body, not so much for weight reduction. I haven't particularly tried losing weight but am slowly losing it anyway. Recently I noticed I went down by one belt notch and my socks also feel looser, so something good is happening. It's just slower than I would like but at least it's happening. I like your idea of comparing what my bgs would be if I do cereal one morning and eggs the next just to see what my bgs reading would be. That would be a very interesting test. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 I wish I could read the good doctor's book, too. If you have it in text format, let me know. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. My > take > > on > > > > it > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to me, at > > least > > > > now > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a teenager. Now > I > > > can > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > already > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the next belt > > > size > > > > so > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing something > > right > > > > for > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I can > > look > > > at > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of fingersticks, > I'd > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not knowing if > I > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my 50's. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Bill. Ah, if you are in the test strip jam, which many of us are, then it certainly makes sense to conserve. You know though, once you get the pattern down and what garms of carbs you can eat, you can loosen up on the testing to 3 or 4 times a day like you are now. Re: Food Frustration > Hey , > > Thanks for your thoughts. Actually with respect to the issue of my doctor > being the one interested in particular times for what the bgs is, it was > also my dietitian who said that, too, but I'm trying to warm up to the idea > of checking it more often so I can see for myself how far up the wave of > sugar spikes and then rolls off. I know it's important to check bgs often > because the body is always working and I would like to have a running > account of what's going on, but at the same time I do hate those > fingersticks even though I know they are the most accurate method around. > When I first got the glucometer and I was getting used to doing the > fingerstick, I was doing it wrong at first and wasted almost one batch of > needles before I got it right. And of course that means that when I run out > of this batch I'll probably have to buy one on my own since the insurance > company will probably get out of paying saying that I'm reordering too soon. > I don't know how much they cost without my insurance, but I'll cross that > bridge when I deplete this supply. So I guess part of me wants to conserve > the needles and not use 5-6 a day..... > > Putting the carbs into perspective yes I can see that a cereal breakfast can > add up carbs quickly. I use nonfat milk, never regular, but even that has 11 > carbs? Gee! I should look on the box of our instant oatmeal and see if it's > any less so I have something to fall back on, that maybe would be less > carbs. Maybe it'll be more... > > Yes you are right too that the goal of keeping carbs in line is about > keeping the pancreas functioning which in turn helps the whole body, not so > much for weight reduction. I haven't particularly tried losing weight but am > slowly losing it anyway. Recently I noticed I went down by one belt notch > and my socks also feel looser, so something good is happening. It's just > slower than I would like but at least it's happening. > > I like your idea of comparing what my bgs would be if I do cereal one > morning and eggs the next just to see what my bgs reading would be. That > would be a very interesting test. > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Harry. Tip for breakfast... don't eat toast or drink milk. Try this test... eat 2 eggs and a few pieces of bacon. If your still hungry after that, eat a pickle or a piece of cheese/ham. Take your 2 hour post test and bet you are right in range. This is assuming your fasting bgs is 90 or so. Just try it once and see how it does with your body. It's a test ya know, just an experiment to see what is up. BTW what did you have for dinner and what was your bgs prior to bed? Eat those nuts before bed since those seem to be working for you keeping fasting bgs down. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. My > > take > > > on > > > > > it > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to me, at > > > least > > > > > now > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a teenager. > Now > > I > > > > can > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > already > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the next > belt > > > > size > > > > > so > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing something > > > right > > > > > for > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I can > > > look > > > > at > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of fingersticks, > > I'd > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not knowing > if > > I > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Before dinner this evening my gbs was 165 and two hours after dinner it was 162. This surprised me since I had a pint of ale and a steak salad at a restaurant. I am a beer lover and I wish I could have drank two pints of ale, which is my usual amount. I like beer and wine, but in the past before all this carb counting I usually had either two beers or two glasses of wine most days. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. My > > > take > > > > on > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to me, > at > > > > least > > > > > > now > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a teenager. > > Now > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > > already > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the next > > belt > > > > > size > > > > > > so > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > something > > > > right > > > > > > for > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I > can > > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > fingersticks, > > > I'd > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > knowing > > if > > > I > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I understand you guys aren't in the " business " of advising the changing insulin amounts, but as I've been following the emails the last few days about meals and food amounts, I've wondered if it does not make sense to adjust insulin amounts according to the meals you eat and the amount of your blood sugar after eating? I also understand the point of " carb counting " ...as that is what insulin is mainly acting on, as opposed to the old theory of just " sugar " ...but, again, how big of a deal is it to eat, within reason, foods that you want/like...and adjust insulin amounts accordingly to keep levels at 100? Bonnie Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, THAT is strength. (Arnold S.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Do you guys eat the SAME foods every day for breakfast, lunch, dinner? Bonnie Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, THAT is strength. (Arnold S.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 No, I don't. I do not like to waste food, so I eat rye bread while it is fresh and until it is gone before getting another kind of bread. I also use other meats besides ham, but I usually eat it every day until it is gone, then switch to another kind of meat. I don't like to keep meat too longg in the refrigerator. However, if push came to shove I could eat the same thing every day indefinitely. I love variety and prefer it. If I had my rathers I would eat something different every meal for a month or two, but it isn't practical in my case. RE: Food Frustration > Do you guys eat the SAME foods every day for breakfast, lunch, dinner? > > Bonnie > > Strength does not come from winning. > Your struggles develop your strengths. > When you go through hardships > and decide not to surrender, > THAT is strength. > (Arnold S.) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I have wondered about this in the past. I can usually drink two glasses of beer or wine and I feel fine, but drinking three or definitely four beers or four glasses of wine makes me feel bad, draggy and irritable, so I stopped drinking after I have had the first one or two. When I was young my limit was six or eight beers, but those days have long gone. I also enjoy drinking a couple of ounces of whiskey or scotch or brandy occasionally. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. > My > > > > take > > > > > on > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to > me, > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a > teenager. > > > Now > > > > I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > > > already > > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the > next > > > belt > > > > > > size > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > > something > > > > > right > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I > > can > > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > > fingersticks, > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > > knowing > > > if > > > > I > > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hello, Harry Both beer and wine have carbs, so can initially raise your blood sugars. However, what happens long erm is that alcohol will suppress your liver from putting out glucogon when it is needed, so can have a drastic drop in blood sugar. This is particularly true in type 1 diabetics. The amount of alcohol varies with each person, so one person may have this drop a few housr of drinking one glass of wine, but the next person may need 2 or 3 glasses to have the same effect. If the alcohol is mixed with some kind of sweet mixer, that will affect your BS short term too. Ask your doc about drinking alcohol-a glass or two can be put into a diabetic if the carbs are counted. I myself have an occassional glass of white wine or eveen more rarely a shot of Scotch. One shot does not affect my BS, but 2 will put me in a low a few hours later. Re: Food Frustration Before dinner this evening my gbs was 165 and two hours after dinner it was 162. This surprised me since I had a pint of ale and a steak salad at a restaurant. I am a beer lover and I wish I could have drank two pints of ale, which is my usual amount. I like beer and wine, but in the past before all this carb counting I usually had either two beers or two glasses of wine most days. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. My > > > take > > > > on > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to me, > at > > > > least > > > > > > now > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a teenager. > > Now > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > > already > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the next > > belt > > > > > size > > > > > > so > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > something > > > > right > > > > > > for > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I > can > > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > fingersticks, > > > I'd > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > knowing > > if > > > I > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Bonnie, I eat pretty much the same thing for breakfast as I prefer egg beaters and single piece of toast, but lunch and dinner vay a lot. I don't eat the same breakfast 7 days a week, but probably do 4 or 5 days a week. Ihave learned that my BS raise after breakfast if I eat anything much differant than what I mentioned, so stick to the same thing to avoid the rise. RE: Food Frustration Do you guys eat the SAME foods every day for breakfast, lunch, dinner? Bonnie Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, THAT is strength. (Arnold S.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 You can adjust the short acting insulin amounts-and your doctor should have you on that regime. You do a blood sugar and if it in normal limits, you then count carbs and give yourself the short term insulin. For me, 1 unit of humalog is needed to cover 15 grams of carb. Everyone is differant with that however, so you have to experiment with that. You cannot do that with a 70-30 mix of insulin as if you increae that kind of insulin, you will also increase the long term acting insulin in that mix and can mess yourself for the rest of the day! RE: Food Frustration I understand you guys aren't in the " business " of advising the changing insulin amounts, but as I've been following the emails the last few days about meals and food amounts, I've wondered if it does not make sense to adjust insulin amounts according to the meals you eat and the amount of your blood sugar after eating? I also understand the point of " carb counting " ...as that is what insulin is mainly acting on, as opposed to the old theory of just " sugar " ...but, again, how big of a deal is it to eat, within reason, foods that you want/like...and adjust insulin amounts accordingly to keep levels at 100? Bonnie Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, THAT is strength. (Arnold S.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Harry. Don't worry, you can still drink a can of beer. Research has shown that 1 can of beer, 12 oz, will have minimal impact on your sugar. However, more than 1 can will effect your bgs so this would explain the rise in sugar later on after your dinner 2 hour test. Also, what was on your steak salad? Steak, lettuce, all is ok but... if you had tomatos on there, actually classified as a fruit, it could have raised bgs some along with onions. What type of dressing did you have? Keep in mind, 2 table spoons of Italian dressing is about 6 grams of carbs if you had Italian. So with a steak salad, 1 cup of lettuce is 5 grams of carbs. We will assume you had 4 cups of lettuce with the salad, 20 grams of carbs, the steak was probably about 3 grams of carbs so now at 23 grams. We'll say your salad dressing was 6 so now at 29 grams of carbs. Now your beer was probably about 15 to 25 grams of carbs, 2 glasses, so now you are at 44 grams of carbs. This is just a rough estimate of your meal but I'd say a safe range would have been 30 to 45 grams of carbs for your dinner. Comparing that to last evenings dinner of the roast and veggie and jello you probably only ate about 15 to 22 grams of carbs for that dinner. So, yes, you can enjoy your beer but only 1 can, 12 ounces, at a meal. I am thinking the ale beer is higher in carbs but not certain since I am not a beer or wine drinker. If you drink 1 glass of wine, make certain it is dry and not a sweet type. Experiment. Try having 1 can of a 12 oz name brand beer next time to see how that does and limit it to 1 can. If your still thrirsty, drink a diet drink or water. Hope this helps some. For breakfast... Leave off bread, milk, jelly, cereal, etc. for your breakfast. Try having 2 eggs, cheese, 1 cup of salad, and a pickle. Something like that. This will help your morning bgs 2 hour test be in a normal range since you may be high some from last evenings meal and yoru snack you ate prior to bed. If you are ok in the orning, haveing a good bgs reading, still don't eat quick acting carbs for breakfast. We'll just experiment today with your breakfast. Like I said, try 2 eggs, piece of cheese, 1 cup of sald or 1 cup of brussal sprouts etc. and a pickle. Please post your 2 hour post test after breakfast today. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. > My > > > > take > > > > > on > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to > me, > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a > teenager. > > > Now > > > > I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > > > already > > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the > next > > > belt > > > > > > size > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > > something > > > > > right > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I > > can > > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > > fingersticks, > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > > knowing > > > if > > > > I > > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Bonnie. Not the same foods but the same amount. I.E I eat 6 grams of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch, and 12 for dinner. Those stay constant. I then determine how many meats I will need to make myself fill full, not stuffed, but to feel comfortable leaving the table. So, for breakfast, I have 6 slow acting carb grams like 1 cup of lettuce, and 3 ounces of meat... 2 eggs and 1 piece of wrapped cheese over the salad. This totals about 7 grams of slow acting carbs for my breakfast. Two hours later I am 90. For lunch, I have 12 grams of slow acting carbs and 2 ounces of meat. I would have 2 cups of broccoli, 12 carbs, and melt the cheese on it and have diet sugar free jello or sugar free pop if still hungry. My two hour post bgs test is 90. For dinner, I have 12 grams of carbs and 4 ounces of meat... I normally have 2 cups of salad, 10 grams of carbs, then 4 ounces of any meat like ham, cheese, steak, etc. and my dinner totals about 12 to 15 grams of carbs. My two hour post bgs test is 90 or right around there. So, you can vary in your type of slow acting carbs like broccoli, Brussels sprouts, green beans, cauliflower, spinach, etc. The rule of thumb is 1 cup of those veggies cooked, not raw but cooked, is about 5 to 6 grams of carbs. and your meats like cheese, ham, turkey, tuna, etc. are about 1 gram of carb per slice of cheese, per slice of baloney, per ounce of steak, etc. Those amounts must stay constant for each meal. Reason? With them being constant, you will be able to determine your 2 hour post bgs test. Without those constant amounts of carbs and meats, getting a good 2 hour bgs test, or even predicting one, is impossible. Hope this helps RE: Food Frustration > Do you guys eat the SAME foods every day for breakfast, lunch, dinner? > > Bonnie > > Strength does not come from winning. > Your struggles develop your strengths. > When you go through hardships > and decide not to surrender, > THAT is strength. > (Arnold S.) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hi Bonnie. Yes, if you are on insulin shots or a pump, you will have to adjust down your quick acting insulin. Talk this over with your doc but the rule of thumb is, for insulin, every 15 grams of carbs you eat should only require 1 unit of quick acting insulin like humalog, novalog, or the old R insulin. If you are on a second type like UL you may have to adjust it down some depending but maybe not. Those type twos on oral meds, the way to determine if you need them bumped down is by your meter. When carb counting and eating lower carbs you must check often. Reason? You can run low so you must check prior to each meal and 2 hours past eating to see what your bgs is so if you are low, you can eat something. BTW it doesn't take much to recover from a low... 1/2 cup of OJ has 15 grams of carbs in it and in a person weighing 150 pounds, 1 gram of carb will raise the bgs 5 points so 15 grams would raise a 150 pound humans bgs 75 points. Yes, you could eat what you want and cover it with quick acting insulin but... quick acting carbs make your bgs very hard to manage. The rule of thumb is this... small amount eaten, small mistakes in bgs, large amounts eaten, large mistakes in bgs. By replacing quick acting carbs like breads, cereals, fruits, juices, grains, corn, milk, cottage cheese, etc. with slow acting carbs like salad, green beans, broccoli, etc. your bgs won't spike high after eating. Instead of a ferocious wave effect on your bgs from quick acting carbs, you have a gentle stream effect on your bgs with slow acting carbs. Every diabetic is different and can eat foods that won't effect Joe but will Sally etc. Low carbing is the best way to go to get bgs in range which can reverse diabetic complications and more importantly prevent future diabetic complications from surfacing. All diabetic complications are caused from one thing and one thing only... high bgs. RE: Food Frustration > I understand you guys aren't in the " business " of advising the changing > insulin amounts, but as I've been following the emails the last few days about > meals and food amounts, I've wondered if it does not make sense to adjust > insulin amounts according to the meals you eat and the amount of your blood > sugar after eating? I also understand the point of " carb counting " ...as that > is what insulin is mainly acting on, as opposed to the old theory of just > " sugar " ...but, again, how big of a deal is it to eat, within reason, foods > that you want/like...and adjust insulin amounts accordingly to keep levels at > 100? > > Bonnie > > Strength does not come from winning. > Your struggles develop your strengths. > When you go through hardships > and decide not to surrender, > THAT is strength. > (Arnold S.) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Very true ... this is true. 1 glass of dry wine or 1 12 oz can of beer typically doesn't effect bgs but more than this will. You should not drink hard liquor YMMV like jack daniels, rum, scotch, etc. since those have a different type of alcohol in them that can lower bgs. It is advised to drink 1 can of 12 oz beer or 1 cup of dry wine since those seem to not have an effect on bgs YMMV. Also, alcohol causes the liver to not produce the sugar she was talking about so it is not a good idea to drink alcohol prior to bed since it will keep your liver busy dealing with the alcohol and not release sugar you might need during the night and you could go low. So, it's ok with dinner but prior to bed, I'd say don't do it. Just remember to check 2 hours later to see what your bgs is doing. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating diabetes. > My > > > > take > > > > > on > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to > me, > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a > teenager. > > > Now > > > > I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and it's > > > > already > > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the > next > > > belt > > > > > > size > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > > something > > > > > right > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why I > > can > > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > > fingersticks, > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > > knowing > > > if > > > > I > > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 now Harry it isn't a matter of feeling, it is a matter of bgs. Next time, try drinking 1 12 oz can of beer and your 2 hour test should be much much better. Re: Food Frustration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in what you said to Pam about beating > diabetes. > > My > > > > > take > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is that even though it's not the coolest thing to happen to > > me, > > > at > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > I _KNOW_ what has been a problem with me since I was a > > teenager. > > > > Now > > > > > I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > take the control I need to take so I can be healthier and > it's > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > paying off. I just noticed today that I went down into the > > next > > > > belt > > > > > > > size > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > while I'm not taking any weight off yet I must be doing > > > something > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > me, my clothes are looser and I feel much better. That's why > I > > > can > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > this as a godsend and even with the inconvenience of > > > fingersticks, > > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > > rather do that than go back to the way I was feeling, not > > > knowing > > > > if > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > really had diabetes or if I was justa victim of being in my > > > 50's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 , Please let us know how this treatment is helping you. How is it supposed to help? I have heard varous things about kelation-negative and positive. Re: Food Frustration harry i would like to hear more about keolation treatments. i have been diabetic for thirty five years. i have been blind due to a doctor error in medication for one to two years. now i am blind. i am in treatments for keolation for the last ten weeks. i have hoped to get my vision back. the last two treatments they have added proxide. it has helped another woman. so i feel it is worth a shot. what do u think? karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 I don't know anything about adding proxide to the chelation, but I will ask my doctor next week when I see him for my tenth treatment of I. V. chelation. Unfortunately, most people like me resort to chelation thearapy as a final measure, but some double blind studies show it is very effective in the prevention of cancer of all types. In fact these double blind studies showed a reduction of 92% chance of cancer after chelation therapy, which is quite significant. I am taking a different form of chelation therapy from the traditional I. V. drip, which takes 2 to 3 hours. I am taking a form of EDTA called calcium EDTA in an I. V. push in a syringe filled to around 28ml and the push is given over a ten to fifteen minute time span. Traditionally chelation therapy is prescribed for mercury and led toxicity and some other heavy metal poisonings. In my case it is being used to rid my system of calcium blockages along with the mercury and lead. It takes more chelation treatments to start deleting calcium blockages, but the mercury and lead are the first elements to be flushed from the system. Re: Food Frustration > harry i would like to hear more about keolation treatments. i have been > diabetic for thirty five years. i have been blind due to a doctor error in > medication for one to two years. now i am blind. i am in treatments for > keolation for the last ten weeks. i have hoped to get my vision back. the > last two treatments they have added proxide. it has helped another woman. > so i feel it is worth a shot. what do u think? karen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Very interesting , Harry. How do you know if the calcium is being removed from your arteries? Do they and have done various types of tests first to see how much calcium blockage there is in your arteries? Will they repeat these tests after you are done to see how effective the treatments were? Thanks for any info. Re: Food Frustration I don't know anything about adding proxide to the chelation, but I will ask my doctor next week when I see him for my tenth treatment of I. V. chelation. Unfortunately, most people like me resort to chelation thearapy as a final measure, but some double blind studies show it is very effective in the prevention of cancer of all types. In fact these double blind studies showed a reduction of 92% chance of cancer after chelation therapy, which is quite significant. I am taking a different form of chelation therapy from the traditional I. V. drip, which takes 2 to 3 hours. I am taking a form of EDTA called calcium EDTA in an I. V. push in a syringe filled to around 28ml and the push is given over a ten to fifteen minute time span. Traditionally chelation therapy is prescribed for mercury and led toxicity and some other heavy metal poisonings. In my case it is being used to rid my system of calcium blockages along with the mercury and lead. It takes more chelation treatments to start deleting calcium blockages, but the mercury and lead are the first elements to be flushed from the system. Re: Food Frustration > harry i would like to hear more about keolation treatments. i have been > diabetic for thirty five years. i have been blind due to a doctor error in > medication for one to two years. now i am blind. i am in treatments for > keolation for the last ten weeks. i have hoped to get my vision back. the > last two treatments they have added proxide. it has helped another woman. > so i feel it is worth a shot. what do u think? karen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 harry i would like to hear more about keolation treatments. i have been diabetic for thirty five years. i have been blind due to a doctor error in medication for one to two years. now i am blind. i am in treatments for keolation for the last ten weeks. i have hoped to get my vision back. the last two treatments they have added proxide. it has helped another woman. so i feel it is worth a shot. what do u think? karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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