Re: Raw or pasturised milk for your Keifer and yogurt?

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

We pastuerize our milk for yogurt, because Dr. Fankhauser does it that

way, and that's where we learned to make yogurt. (If any of you don't

know about Fankhauser, check it out he is great!

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese.html ) His

reasoning is that you are incubating at 100-120 for 4 hours, the prime

temp and timing for growth of all bacteria, and he doesn't want other

bacteria competing with the lactobacillus and acidophilus. I'm not

really worried about pathogens, butdon't want the competition; Barb

worries about pathogens since we sell the yogurt.

We do not pasturize our milk for kefir and we don't worry about it at

all. Since we gave you your kefir grains, we know they were good :^),

and since you are giving grains away and selling kefir, we know others

like your kefir. You haven't acquired the taste for kefir, and that

is okay. I doubt that using pasturized milk would make much

difference, but you might try it. However, you might try fruit kefir

and see if you like that. You might try with freshly washed grains

and letting it sit for 12 hours instead of 24 to see if milder kefir

is more paletable to you.

Lenny and Barb

ps this is an excerpt from a lady we sent grains to two weeks ago:

" Mom loves the kefir and drinks it as fast as I can make it. I drink

what is left over. She has gained from 104 to 116 so something is

agreeing with her and also, her coughing caused from cancer in her

lungs has stopped. "

I was stunned, her mom has stage 4 cancer! Kefir is amazing stuff,

but it's not for everyone.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Lenny, please come to the next goat meeting and bring some kefir with you so I can see what all the fuss is about!

Tammy K.

Alvin TX

Who thinks she must be missing out on something by not having tried kefir!

Raw or pasturised milk for your Keifer and yogurt?

Thanks Lenny and , my Keifer grains have found a wonderful new home I tried everything anyone could tell me to use, and other than sweetened with honey, and I don't need to be any sweeter I just couldn't tolorate the taste. But thanks for the good try Lenny! I also was blown away by the richness of your Nigerian/Lamancha milk, and this from a Nubian Breeder!Perhaps Lenny and Ms.F can come to the next goat meeting in November and set the record straight? Vicki who has wonderful raw yogurt everyday :)Vicki McGaugh Lonesome Doe NubiansNorth of Houston TexasGoat Newbie? Come visit our forum! http://forums.chamoisee.atypedigital.com/index.phpPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Yes, Lenny, please come to the next goat meeting and bring some kefir with you so I can see what all the fuss is about!

Tammy K.

Alvin TX

Who thinks she must be missing out on something by not having tried kefir!

Raw or pasturised milk for your Keifer and yogurt?

Thanks Lenny and , my Keifer grains have found a wonderful new home I tried everything anyone could tell me to use, and other than sweetened with honey, and I don't need to be any sweeter I just couldn't tolorate the taste. But thanks for the good try Lenny! I also was blown away by the richness of your Nigerian/Lamancha milk, and this from a Nubian Breeder!Perhaps Lenny and Ms.F can come to the next goat meeting in November and set the record straight? Vicki who has wonderful raw yogurt everyday :)Vicki McGaugh Lonesome Doe NubiansNorth of Houston TexasGoat Newbie? Come visit our forum! http://forums.chamoisee.atypedigital.com/index.phpPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

We really had planned on being at the meeting, but we got involved in

stuff for customers and couldn't make it. We will plan on being at

the next meeting and bringing kefir and grains for those who are

interested.

We have been " blown away " by the incredible health stories our

customers and " kefir friends " have shared with us. We are starting to

feel like ny Kefir seed, and we are comming to believe that it

really is part of our mission in life right now.

Check out Dom's Kefir InSite at

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

http://www.kefir.net/index.htm talks about using kefir culture rather

than grains, but the basic info is very good

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kefir_making?yguid=129983880 Is a great

group with lots of really knowledgable folks