Re: IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

[Guest guest]

Although I think this guy goes too far with his theory, this is

interesting, a. I see we're back to naked sunbathing again.

[ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

actually

> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

>

>

> Sunshine can be good medicine

>

> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

[Guest guest]

I would have thought so too , but since I am in the middle of reading

" Preventing and Reversing Osteoporosis " by Alan R Gaby and am reading about

vitamin D and bone growth, I tend to think this theory holds a lot of water.

As I am reading it, I'm taking notes and will summarize the key points that

pertain to this group regarding both osteoporosis and bone erosion.

Since I refuse to take Fosamax I've been on a bone rebuilding regiment. I'm

wondering if the reason fish oil is so highly promoted for RA is because of

it's high Vitamin D content.

Naked sunbathing is very appealing and yes I've even read that we should sun

our boobs to prevent breast cancer LOL! So if you see me in the headlines

being arrested for topless sunbathing, you'll know I'm only practicing

breast cancer prevention. I hope the gang here will rev up the cyber bus

and come break me out of jail.

a

> Although I think this guy goes too far with his theory, this is

> interesting, a. I see we're back to naked sunbathing again.

>

>

>

>

> [ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

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>

>> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

> actually

>> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

>>

>>

>> Sunshine can be good medicine

>>

>> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

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>

>

[Guest guest]

There's no denying that vitamin D is very important to the body and,

particularly, to bone health, a. But when diseases as complex and

diverse as rheumatoid arthritis, type I diabetes, osteoporosis, multiple

sclerosis, cancer, and depression are all proposed to be linked together

via a vitamin deficiency, I worry about the theory.

Shouldn't we be looking at the very darkest of blacks and compare to the

very whitest of whites then and see what we've got? If blacks need

anywhere from 5 to 50 times as much sun exposure as whites, lets look at

those who would need about 50 times as much and see if, as a group and

controlling for other factors, they have a disproportionate amount of

the aforementioned diseases. I'd be surprised (but happy) if that were

found.

I am in support of the idea of everyone getting the vitamin D they need

naturally, so keep on trying to get jailed, LOL! I'll be topless when I

come to bust you out of your cell.

[ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

> >

> >

> >> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

> > actually

> >> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

> >>

> >>

> >> Sunshine can be good medicine

> >>

> >> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

[Guest guest]

I can't say that I believe all of these diseases are caused by any

particular vitamin deficiency, but I do believe that we are more susceptible

to disease by vitamin deficiency and the borage of environmental pollution

and food contamination.

Blacks have substantially greater bone mass than whites and although they

too suffer from bone loss with age, they do not have the same fracture rate

as blacks because of the greater bone mass.

http://www.wvdhhr.org/whatsnew/osteopor/chart.htm

I think there is a lot of data out there about vitamin deficiencies that are

scoffed at by modern medicine and not published in the medical journals. OP

is a modern day epidemic. The typical western diet with high proportions of

refined sugar, white flour, fat, protein and canned foods contain far less

vitamins and minerals than diets consumed by our ancestors. Plus that, the

requirement for some nutrients may be increased by genetics and

environmental pollution. I feel multiple deficiencies over a prolonged

period of time cause the majority of disease.

Our bodies are like a machine. Break down one part and the machine stops

working or slows down. One deficiency can cause a chain reaction.

It would be nice if we could all get the D we need naturally, but

unfortunately many on this list are sun sensitive due to medications and/or

disease. There goes that chain reaction.

Breast fed babies are now being given vitamin D because of increased

scurvy. We've become a sun phobic society. My children were always in the

sun for limited times without covering up or lathering them in sunscreen.

The only time I used sunscreens on them was when we went to the beach and

they were in the sun for prolonged periods. Today parents are told to keep

their kids out of the sun unless they have sunscreen.

Thank you for your support. You just may wind up in the cell next to me LOL!

The bare boob buddies strike again!

a

> There's no denying that vitamin D is very important to the body and,

> particularly, to bone health, a. But when diseases as complex and

> diverse as rheumatoid arthritis, type I diabetes, osteoporosis, multiple

> sclerosis, cancer, and depression are all proposed to be linked together

> via a vitamin deficiency, I worry about the theory.

>

> Shouldn't we be looking at the very darkest of blacks and compare to the

> very whitest of whites then and see what we've got? If blacks need

> anywhere from 5 to 50 times as much sun exposure as whites, lets look at

> those who would need about 50 times as much and see if, as a group and

> controlling for other factors, they have a disproportionate amount of

> the aforementioned diseases. I'd be surprised (but happy) if that were

> found.

>

> I am in support of the idea of everyone getting the vitamin D they need

> naturally, so keep on trying to get jailed, LOL! I'll be topless when I

> come to bust you out of your cell.

>

>

>

>

>

> [ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

>>>

>>>

>>>> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

>>> actually

>>>> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sunshine can be good medicine

>>>>

>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem with getting enough Vitamin D naturally, is that in order to get

enough sun exposure, you are also exposing yourself to the ultraviolet rays.

Sunblocks block out both the good and the bad aspects unfortunately.

In the north here, where winters are so long and sunshine so hard to get, that

was the reason they added it to milk in the first place. Too many cases of

rickets in the north, especially in cities.

I notice they've just added Vit D to orange juice. Maybe that will help too.

Hmnm, if both VItamin C and D are in orange juice, and both are good for RA,

maybe I'll start drinking it by the gallon.....

Noreen

[ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

> >

> >

> >> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

> > actually

> >> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

> >>

> >>

> >> Sunshine can be good medicine

> >>

> >> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

[Guest guest]

Noreen,

They tell us to stay out of the sun because it causes cancer, which I think

is a big lie. I believe the sun prevents cancer.

So we don't get the vitamin D we need from the sun because they tell us it

causes cancer and so they add synthetic vitamin D to our food and tell us to

spend millions of dollars a year to lather chemicals on our skin to prevent

cancer. These chemicals on our skin cause cancer and block the benefits of

the sun. There are many many sites that promote sunbathing for health and

explain the danger of sunscreen. It has been proven many times that

sunscreens have NOT decreased the rate of skin cancer, they have actually

increased it.

http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ98/wellbeing.html

http://www.skinbiology.com/toxicsunscreens.html

a

> The problem with getting enough Vitamin D naturally, is that in order to get

> enough sun exposure, you are also exposing yourself to the ultraviolet rays.

> Sunblocks block out both the good and the bad aspects unfortunately.

>

> In the north here, where winters are so long and sunshine so hard to get, that

> was the reason they added it to milk in the first place. Too many cases of

> rickets in the north, especially in cities.

> I notice they've just added Vit D to orange juice. Maybe that will help too.

> Hmnm, if both VItamin C and D are in orange juice, and both are good for RA,

> maybe I'll start drinking it by the gallon.....

>

> Noreen

>

> [ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

>>>

>>>

>>>> It is interesting that this article says that may cases of FM can

>>> actually

>>>> be vitamin D deficiencies from lack of sunshine.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sunshine can be good medicine

>>>>

>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/99984.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to confess that I don't apply sunscreen before going out into the

garden, a. I just make sure that I don't overdo it out there. Easy

enough for me to get enough sun without getting close to burned.

Covering up (weather permitting), wearing a hat, and working in the

shadier areas helps if I will be outside for an extended period.

Re: [ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

> Noreen,

> They tell us to stay out of the sun because it causes cancer, which I

think

> is a big lie. I believe the sun prevents cancer.

> So we don't get the vitamin D we need from the sun because they tell

us it

> causes cancer and so they add synthetic vitamin D to our food and tell

us to

> spend millions of dollars a year to lather chemicals on our skin to

prevent

> cancer. These chemicals on our skin cause cancer and block the

benefits of

> the sun. There are many many sites that promote sunbathing for health

and

> explain the danger of sunscreen. It has been proven many times that

> sunscreens have NOT decreased the rate of skin cancer, they have

actually

> increased it.

>

> http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ98/wellbeing.html

> http://www.skinbiology.com/toxicsunscreens.html

>

> a

[Guest guest]

I agree that diet and environmental factors should be taken more

seriously by the medical and research community than they are, a. I

also concur that many health problems could be avoided or reduced if

people ate better and made wiser lifestyle choices.

What sometimes does these studies and theories harm is when their

proponents are too broad in their claims. And, maybe, in this case, it

was Jane Brody's spin on things. I'm not sure.

If vitamin D deficiency alone were a huge influence on osteoporosis, I

would expect the rates of osteoporosis to be much higher in blacks than

in whites, but it isn't - it's far less. That's not to say that vitamin

D isn't very important for everyone. It is. But there are many other

factors to consider.

As for things like the onset of type I diabetes, then I would expect the

concordance rate for identical twins to be much higher than it is. After

all, wouldn't most identical twins be getting approximately the same

amount of vitamin D in their very early years?

I am the same way about the kids and sunscreen. They've been lectured on

being careful, too.

Your cellmate,

Re: [ ] IHT: Sunshine can be good medicine

> I can't say that I believe all of these diseases are caused by any

> particular vitamin deficiency, but I do believe that we are more

susceptible

> to disease by vitamin deficiency and the borage of environmental

pollution

> and food contamination.

>

>

> Blacks have substantially greater bone mass than whites and although

they

> too suffer from bone loss with age, they do not have the same fracture

rate

> as blacks because of the greater bone mass.

> http://www.wvdhhr.org/whatsnew/osteopor/chart.htm

>

> I think there is a lot of data out there about vitamin deficiencies

that are

> scoffed at by modern medicine and not published in the medical

journals. OP

> is a modern day epidemic. The typical western diet with high

proportions of

> refined sugar, white flour, fat, protein and canned foods contain far

less

> vitamins and minerals than diets consumed by our ancestors. Plus

that, the

> requirement for some nutrients may be increased by genetics and

> environmental pollution. I feel multiple deficiencies over a

prolonged

> period of time cause the majority of disease.

> Our bodies are like a machine. Break down one part and the machine

stops

> working or slows down. One deficiency can cause a chain reaction.

>

> It would be nice if we could all get the D we need naturally, but

> unfortunately many on this list are sun sensitive due to medications

and/or

> disease. There goes that chain reaction.

> Breast fed babies are now being given vitamin D because of increased

> scurvy. We've become a sun phobic society. My children were always

in the

> sun for limited times without covering up or lathering them in

sunscreen.

> The only time I used sunscreens on them was when we went to the beach

and

> they were in the sun for prolonged periods. Today parents are told to

keep

> their kids out of the sun unless they have sunscreen.

>

> Thank you for your support. You just may wind up in the cell next to

me LOL!

> The bare boob buddies strike again!

> a