Re: Where did all these tongue ties come from?

[Guest guest]

I keep wondering how and why we are seeing all these tongue ties anyway? How did this evolve and why? Puzzling for sure. Ann

A ND and a chiro told a friend of mine that they think they are a form of 'birth defect' from toxins/pollutants in the environment.

That seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Ann

[Guest guest]

(who was fortunate enough to spend the day with G. and Dr. Coryllos last Wednesday and observed an assessment ultrasound and subsequent frenotomy)

OMG -- That is better than a day with the Queen of England! Ann

Ann Conlon-, IBCLC Triangle Lactation Consultants www.trianglelactation.com

"Prayer does not use up artificial energy, doesn't burn up any fossil fuel, doesn't pollute. Neither does song, neither does love, neither does dance." Margaret Mead "Neither does breastfeeding," ACS

[Guest guest]

I saw three babies in two days and of course all three had tight frenulums - I am at the point where I do not even want to look in those mouths anymore LOL

One today was amazing the top labial frenulum was so large and thick it wraps around the gum line - actually indenting the gum to the point that it looks like a cleft in the gum - I have never seen that before. His palate is high and soft too - I am concerned!! The dad is a family practitioner - so he was understanding. They will see Dr Coryllos soon - I definitely plan to be there too.

- were you here in Long Island?

As far as the more frequent tight frenlums - I think that over the years these were the patients that just didnt get it going - I can look back only a year and a half and think - maybe that was "her " problem. I guess we should feel lucky that we have some real answers now.

Donna Kimick, IBCLC, RLC

[Guest guest]

As far as the more frequent tight frenlums - I think that over the years these were the patients that just didnt get it going - I can look back only a year and a half and think - maybe that was "her " problem. I guess we should feel lucky that we have some real answers now

Okay, but my question is how do I get anyone to subscribe to this in my area? In other words, how do I find the rare/saavy pediatrician or ENT who is aware of this, capable of frenotomy and willing to do it? Do I call each and every one and say what??? Or, do I just send everyone to New York (am in NC)!!! Thanks, Ann

Ann Conlon-, IBCLC Triangle Lactation Consultants www.trianglelactation.com

"Prayer does not use up artificial energy, doesn't burn up any fossil fuel, doesn't pollute. Neither does song, neither does love, neither does dance." Margaret Mead "Neither does breastfeeding," ACS

[Guest guest]

My personal theory is that we're just learning better how to

identify the real cause of the seemingly ubiquitous " suck

disorganization " that was so prevalent in our field ten to fifteen

years ago. It's been there all along -- we just didn't know what

the real problem was.

I will share that Dr. Coryllos told me that she thinks something is

happening to babies at the 10-11 week state of development in utero when

the tongue separates from the floor of the mouth. She doesn't know

what it is yet, but she is working on a theory.

(who was fortunate enough to spend the day with G. and Dr.

Coryllos last Wednesday and observed an assessment ultrasound and

subsequent frenotomy)

[Guest guest]

Tongue ties

are congenital/genetic. There is almost always somewhere in the family

history someone with a tongue tie. Just like tongue-rolling ability is

genetically tied. And I suspect if it isn’t in their known history,

there is a cousin or aunt or something with it and maybe it wasn’t even

recognized. I’ve heard families say, when I’ve asked about

family history of tongue tie, “oh you know cousin Susie had that trouble

with her tongue. She had to have speech therapy” or some

such. It seems like some breasts are better shaped to handle tongue ties

too. I have a co-worker with a pretty tight classic tongue-tie…and

I didn’t even recognize it until she told me a year after I started

working with her. What is more, she was breastfed successfully and she

breastfed her tongue-tied children. I think larger breasts have more “give”

and may be less problematic for tongue-tied babies. Then there is the

fact that, they used to clip tongues even when babies were bottle-fed. I

only found out a year or two ago that my older sister had her tongue clipped as

a baby. I don’t think even she knew it! And we were all

bottle-fed. They used to clip everybody, it would seem!

Marsha

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Marsha Glass RN, BSN, IBCLC~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mothers have as powerful an influence over the welfare of future generations

as all other earthly causes combined.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ S. C. Abbot~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

It may also be that various anomalies that negatively affect breastfeeding would be significantly more surmountable for breastfeeding dyads if they were not *also* coping with medicated births, instrumental and operative births, an absence of general postpartum support, high rates of postpartum depression, a lack of role models and skilled breastfeeding support in their families and societies, massive marketing of breastmilk substitutes, etc. It's a wonder that anyone manages to breastfeed these days! There are far too many straws contributing to the breaking of the camel's back.

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-------------- Original message -------------- My personal theory is that we're just learning better how to identify the real cause of the seemingly ubiquitous "suck disorganization" that was so prevalent in our field ten to fifteen years ago. It's been there all along -- we just didn't know what the real problem was. I will share that Dr. Coryllos told me that she thinks something is happening to babies at the 10-11 week state of development in utero when the tongue separates from the floor of the mouth. She doesn't know what it is yet, but she is working on a theory. (who was fortunate enough to spend the day with G. and Dr. Coryllos last Wednesday and observed an assessment ultrasound and subsequent frenotomy)

[Guest guest]

Okay, but my question is how do I get anyone to subscribe to this in my area? In other words, how do I find the rare/saavy pediatrician or ENT who is aware of this, capable of frenotomy and willing to do it? Do I call each and every one and say what??? Or, do I just send everyone to New York (am in NC)!!! Thanks, Ann

Ann, I understand your frustration. There are some confernences that will be addressing this - one in Long Island NY in Sept. I would guess for now - before you get a conference in your area - that you arm yourself with a ton of info - pictures maybe even sonograms and go to a few trusted peds or ped surgeons and plead your case. You have to start somewhere.

good luck

Donna

[Guest guest]

- were you here in Long

Island?

Yep. I live in Long Valley, NJ, so I just caught the NJ Transit,

changed at Penn, and then caught the LIR. Very easy! It took

the better part of a day, though, and I had to have my husband work from

home to cover the kids, so I can't do it too often. But it was an

incredible opportunity and I'm so very glad I was able to go.