Re: Side effects we should know about BEFORE the fact of living wit...

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Alice,

I laced my responses through your email:

<< Carol, another thing people should be aware of is the side effects from

the

mercury in their dental fillings and the bacteria in root canals. I'm

reading Uninformed Consent by Hal A. Huggins, DDS, MS and E. Levy,

MD,

JD and I am shocked on every page. How can this be true? Is this true? I

don't know. How can we find out.

~~~~~~~I don't know. I had mine removed about 3 or 4 years ago, but never

detoxed, so I don't know if it didn't do anything or if I just need chelation

therapy, which I'll never get, because it's not covered by insurance. Some

people have had improvement after amalgam removal, but I know a lot who

didn't too. I also had a cavitation cleaned out, which could also have been

a problem. And I have a root canal that the dentist wants to get out of

there. I have 4 teeth that are crowned in the good composite, but they have

mercury inside. He said they wouldn't be as much of a problem, because the

mercury's not exposed. But you know, I ran into a guy about a year ago, who

had all his teeth removed and that didn't even do any good! I'm just at a

loss about the dental stuff now. I don't want to keep spending money on it,

if it's not going to help.

And someone at the store today was telling me about an article in Better

Homes and Gardens about the problems from the genetically engineered food

we're being fed and the allergic problems people are having with it.

~~~~~~~Yes, and I doubt that's the only problems they'll find.

Having

read Dr. Soll's book, Something Can Be Done About MS, And You Can Do

It

~~~~~~~I haven't read that one. What's his main theory about all this? I

know a woman who is going by Dr. Soll, but she doesn't avoid saturated fat.

She is not doing well. I think she said he says to test your tolerance to

foods by taking B12 and then seeing if you get flushes from the B12 after

eating the food. I just really believe in Dr. Swank's hypothesis that we

don't metabolize fat correctly and should avoid all saturated fat. So much

so, that I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's doing her in. She seems to

do everything else right.

, I am looking forward to the magazine to see what it says.

~~~~~~~It's kind of amazing that a main stream periodical like that would

take such a stand!

Another example

of the public being uninformed about the side effects someone else thinks it

is okay for us to be exposed to. I wish I could feel that the powerful

people in this country and world care about the well being of the public.

I

just don't know.

~~~~~~~I know what you mean, but I think everyone's ignorance causes them to

unwittingly do things that harm us. I'm sure there are those who really just

don't care and are only out after the money, but I think there's just too

much ignorance about food, what it's made up of and how important it is to

have it in the natural form. They don't know what they don't know is in

food, so how do they know something important won't get missed in all this

playing around they're doing.

Carol

>>

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Dr. Soll's platform is that foods to which we are allergic excite our immune

system. Then the misguided immune system attacks self. I saw him in

Northern Virginia several years ago. When I tried to avoid the many foods

the Elisha test said I am allergic to AND avoid the saturated fat, I lost 25

pounds too fast and just couldn't maintain that. So I sort of do both diets

now, but not to the extrerm that I once did. I wasn't allergic to any meats

(but hadn't been eating much of them because of Swank).

So if Soll is right, and we are allergic to genetically engineered food also

- YIKES! We don't stand a chance.

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In a message dated 10/4/00 8:50:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alialley@...

writes:

>

> Carol, another thing people should be aware of is the side effects from

> the

> mercury in their dental fillings and the bacteria in root canals. I'm

> reading Uninformed Consent by Hal A. Huggins, DDS, MS and E. Levy,

MD,

>

> JD and I am shocked on every page. How can this be true? Is this true?

I

> don't know. How can we find out.

Alice -Hi

Yes it's true .Keep reading!

You know mercury causes brain leisons?!!! The more you learn the better.

I hate typing on thiis thing . Wish I could just talk to you all.

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Carol And Alice And all,

I have had ALL of the metal taken out of my mouth. And I have now done 3

DMPS.

I have found that i do get worse when the mercury is stirred up by the

removal and chelation.BUT ,I now have a doctor who is working to get me as

strong as he can. And to detox me and I am better ,much better than I have

been .i am amazed and hopeful. I guess the thing is if you do it -do it right

and completely. However I would really tell any one to at least get the

mercury amalgms out. And no root canals-I mean get them out-they are toxic.

There are many success stories on this subject.

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Kaye

Have you had root canaled teeth removed? If so, did you notice a difference from that?

I have a pretty good ND MD, who I haven't seen in about 3 years. Guess I should go back to him and have some tests run at least. I think there are tests to see how much mercury there is in your system. I'd also like to have him check my thyroid and adrenals. I think the more things we can find wrong in our bodies and fix, the better off we'll be with the MS.

Carol

Carol And Alice And all,I have had ALL of the metal taken out of my mouth. And I have now done 3 DMPS. I have found that i do get worse when the mercury is stirred up by the removal and chelation.BUT ,I now have a doctor who is working to get me as strong as he can. And to detox me and I am better ,much better than I have been .i am amazed and hopeful. I guess the thing is if you do it -do it right and completely. However I would really tell any one to at least get the mercury amalgms out. And no root canals-I mean get them out-they are toxic. There are many success stories on this subject.Kaye.

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In a message dated 10/5/00 1:07:32 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time,

kayeelder@... writes:

<< hate typing on thiis thing . Wish I could just talk to you all.

Kaye >>

I'm in Southwestern Virginia - aren't you the one in California?

I just was on the phone with someone on the mercury poisoning list talking

about how dentists can, and DO, loose their licenses because they speak out

against mercury fillings and/or root canals. Who on this list has read

" Uninformed Concent " and/or " The Root Canal Cover Up " ?

She attended the federal hearing in July 2000 and said a reputable researcher

(I forget from where, but could find out if you want) said the mercury DOES

get into the body from " silver " fillings. She said the ADA was taken back.

She said that exposure about the poisoning of the American public is coming.

Also from mercury used in the preservatives in many vaccines. You know,

vaccines, like they give to our precious babies. Shocking - I'd like to find

out this is not true.

The leader in Congress is a Republican. I hope he gets re-elected next

month. At the very least, we need investigations by a group not in the

pocket of the ADA, the FDA, or the AMA. I called the poison control number

in my local phone book. They finally admitted that mercury poisoning does

cause demyelination. Can this all be true? I don't know. Give me a

reasonable reason why it is impossible for mercury from my teeth to be

causing my MS symptoms, and then I will not worry about it any more.

Just having metal removed from the mouth is not the only thing they say must

be done. Even dentures are made with mercury compounds and cavitations from

where the teeth were often, OFTEN, contain dangerous bacteria that needs

cleaning out. Bacteria producing neruotoxins. Anaerobic bacteria. Botulism

is an anaerobic bacteria. I am struggling now with what to do about my teeth

and am getting lots of information from that list. But no good advice about

who will extract teeth, along with the ligament and affected bone. They say

finding an experienced and competent dentist is most difficult. They say the

dentists risk loosing their licenses and do not advertise. I feel that I am

between a rock and a hard spot. Anyone have any suggestions?? I've been

given names/numbers of two MS women who HAD MS and after I have read the

other book and gotten my test results, I'm going to call them.

I didn't see the article about the bioengineered food that was supposed to be

in Better Homes & Gardens. but didn't have time to look (was with my

in-a-hurry-husband). When I talk with " Pam " when she comes to work this

afternoon, I'll get the details and page numbers.

Sorry to have gone on so. There is so much I'm just finding out that I'm

overwhelmed.

Alice

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In a message dated 10/5/00 9:30:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Alialley@...

writes:

<< But no good advice about

who will extract teeth, along with the ligament and affected bone. They say

>>

Alice,

I found a dentist to extract my root canaled tooth by talking to my regular

holistic dentist who replaced my fillings. He said he had to educate him on

the problems with root canals and the necessary procedures to remove the

teeth and get all the bacteria.

If you can find a holistic dentist in your area, he may be able to help you

find someone to extract teeth, or he may do it himself.

There's a place on the web - can't remember the site - where you can find

doctors and dentists that practice holistically. If you haven't heard of it,

let me know and I'll see if I can find it.

Carol

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In a message dated 10/5/00 12:27:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cah819@...

writes:

> ye

> Have you had root canaled teeth removed? If so, did you notice a

difference

> from that?

> I have a pretty good ND MD, who I haven't seen in about 3 years. Guess I

> should go back to him and have some tests run at least. I think there are

> tests to see how much mercury there is in your system. I'd also like to

have

> him check my thyroid and adrenals. I think the more things we can find

wrong

> in our bodies and fix, the better off we'll be with the MS.

> Carol

>

> Carol And Alice And all,

>

> I have had ALL of the metal taken out of my mouth. And I have now done 3

> DMPS.

> I have found that i do get worse when the mercury is stirred up by the

> removal and chelation.BUT ,I now have a doctor who is working to get me

as

>

> strong as he can. And to detox me and I am better ,much better than I

have

>

> been .i am amazed and hopeful. I guess the thing is if you do it -do it

> right

> and completely. However I would really tell any one to at least get the

> mercury amalgms out.

Carol,

Yes I had one pulled just to get a source of possible infection andn toxxin

out. It wasn't a problem tooth but I have a doctor who insists that my

neurologic disease(MS) is not goingn to get better OR stop until I got it

ALL out and let my body heal. (He wasn't a dentist either)

and yes you can do a 24 hour urine test to see the amout of heavy metals

you have or are excreting in your urine. Mine was very high with lead and

mercury which both cause brain leisons...

About the addrenals. I have found that a problem too and with treatment for

it am not so FATIGUED!!

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol and everyone,

These are just comments on what Carol said to Alice: Chelation

with EDTA does not remove mercury. Probably the chelation doctors

would be likely docs to remove mercury using DMPS or DMSA (I think those

are intravenous and oral products, respectively). There are tests

for mercury levels which can be done by a doctor who believes that mercury

might be a problem. Doctors who remove mercury amalgams should be

trained to do the removal properly. If mercury amalgam fillings are

improperly removed it could increase your mercury load during the removal

process. There is no doubt that high mercury levels are bad for your

health. I do not know if we are all uniformly sensitive to mercury

but I doubt it. I would expect that some of us would "get away with"

higher levels of mercury than others would be able to tolerate.

For lists of doctors who are trained to remove mercury amalgams: http://www.hugnet.com

For lists of chelation doctors: http://www.acam.org scroll

down on the first page to come to the information for the public such as

finding a physician. Doctors who do chelation are also likely to

be interested in alternative approaches to solving your MS problems.

I hope these comments are helpful.

Lillian Hanke

Librarian

Cah819@... wrote:

Alice,

I laced my responses through your email:

<< Carol, another thing people should be aware of is the side

effects from

the

mercury in their dental fillings and the bacteria in root canals.

I'm

reading Uninformed Consent by Hal A. Huggins, DDS, MS and

E. Levy,

MD,

JD and I am shocked on every page. How can this be true?

Is this true? I

don't know. How can we find out.

~~~~~~~I don't know. I had mine removed about 3 or 4 years

ago, but never

detoxed, so I don't know if it didn't do anything or if I just

need chelation

therapy, which I'll never get, because it's not covered by insurance.

Some

people have had improvement after amalgam removal, but I know a

lot who

didn't too. I also had a cavitation cleaned out, which could

also have been

a problem. And I have a root canal that the dentist wants

to get out of

there. I have 4 teeth that are crowned in the good composite,

but they have

mercury inside. He said they wouldn't be as much of a problem,

because the

mercury's not exposed. But you know, I ran into a guy about

a year ago, who

had all his teeth removed and that didn't even do any good!

I'm just at a

loss about the dental stuff now. I don't want to keep spending

money on it,

if it's not going to help.

And someone at the store today was telling me about an article in

Better

Homes and Gardens about the problems from the genetically engineered

food

we're being fed and the allergic problems people are having with

it.

~~~~~~~Yes, and I doubt that's the only problems they'll find.

Having

read Dr. Soll's book, Something Can Be Done About MS, And

You Can Do

It

~~~~~~~I haven't read that one. What's his main theory about

all this? I

know a woman who is going by Dr. Soll, but she doesn't avoid saturated

fat.

She is not doing well. I think she said he says to test your

tolerance to

foods by taking B12 and then seeing if you get flushes from the

B12 after

eating the food. I just really believe in Dr. Swank's hypothesis

that we

don't metabolize fat correctly and should avoid all saturated fat.

So much

so, that I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's doing her in.

She seems to

do everything else right.

, I am looking forward to the magazine to see what it says.

~~~~~~~It's kind of amazing that a main stream periodical like that

would

take such a stand!

Another example

of the public being uninformed about the side effects someone else

thinks it

is okay for us to be exposed to. I wish I could feel that

the powerful

people in this country and world care about the well being

of the public.

I

just don't know.

~~~~~~~I know what you mean, but I think everyone's ignorance causes

them to

unwittingly do things that harm us. I'm sure there are those

who really just

don't care and are only out after the money, but I think there's

just too

much ignorance about food, what it's made up of and how important

it is to

have it in the natural form. They don't know what they don't

know is in

food, so how do they know something important won't get missed

in all this

playing around they're doing.

Carol

>>

..

[Guest guest]

<< Yes it's true .Keep reading!

You know mercury causes brain leisons?!!! The more you learn the better.

I hate typing on thiis thing . Wish I could just talk to you all.

Kaye >>

Ajay sees an alternative doctor for her MS as some of you may know. He tests

all his patients for mercury poisoning and out of over 4,500 patients only 5

haven't had mercury poisoning. His approach is not to remove the mercury

using DMSA or other chelating agents (although it used to be) but to lock it

in the body in an inert state using selenium and zinc.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/8/00 6:31:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Oliviavdw@... writes:

>

> Kaye >>

>

> Ajay sees an alternative doctor for her MS as some of you may know. He

> tests

> all his patients for mercury poisoning and out of over 4,500 patients only

5

>

> haven't had mercury poisoning. His approach is not to remove the mercury

> using DMSA or other chelating agents (although it used to be) but to lock

it

>

> in the body in an inert state using selenium and zinc.

>

OOOOOH that's interesting! So selenim and zinc are supposed to lock it in?

I'd love t hear more about this. How is AJ? And what has she done about the

mercury ?

Thanks,

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Ajay sees an alternative doctor for her MS as some of you may know. He tests all his patients for mercury poisoning and out of over 4,500 patients only 5 haven't had mercury poisoning. His approach is not to remove the mercury using DMSA or other chelating agents (although it used to be) but to lock it in the body in an inert state using selenium and zinc.

That's interesting - do you know what the dosages are of the zinc and selenium. I take both, but wondering how much you need.

Carol.

[Guest guest]

olivia,

you can just talk, get microphone and software. wish i had a name but,

you'll

have to search.

subi

>From: Oliviavdw@...

>Reply-To: mscuredegroups

>To: mscuredegroups

>Subject: Re: Side effects we should know about BEFORE the fact of

>living wit...

>Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 06:31:01 EDT

>

>

>

>

><< Yes it's true .Keep reading!

>You know mercury causes brain leisons?!!! The more you learn the better.

>I hate typing on thiis thing . Wish I could just talk to you all.

>

>Kaye >>

>

>Ajay sees an alternative doctor for her MS as some of you may know. He

>tests

>all his patients for mercury poisoning and out of over 4,500 patients only

>5

>haven't had mercury poisoning. His approach is not to remove the mercury

>using DMSA or other chelating agents (although it used to be) but to lock

>it

>in the body in an inert state using selenium and zinc.

>

>

>.

>

[Guest guest]

I had all of my amalgams removed about 5 years ago. Dentist fought me on it,

but since I have known him for so long, he finally did it. When he pulled

them he said the mercury had been leaching into my body for some time.......

afterwards, i got very sick, even though i spit every piece out, i am sure

some of it got down my throat... i was down for a few days until i was strong

enough to make it to my hyperbaric treatments. It detoxices you by

saturating your body (bloodstream) with oxygen, this forces out all the junk.

There is much more physics involved but i just back from my re-cert class

and i am exausted. it took a few treatments but i was back to where i was

before i had them pulled, continueing to improve.

there are some clinic that will treat free of charge... if you look at the

web-sit

Hyperbaric-Therapy.com

it will give you a listing. Get that mercury out of your mouth!!! Chelation

concerns me. Kinda like putting draino in your viens.... so i skipped that

part..

take care

kim

[Guest guest]

i have also been algergic to many foods... do the best when i eat only fruit,

vegs, potatoes and a little chicken. I get really sick if i eat junk food.

Makes it tough when you really want that bowl of chocolate ice cream. The

ice cream usually wins.

take care

kim

my mother is also very sensitive to " fake food " ... we have to constantly

look for food that is whole and with no msg, etc.... drives me nuts...

[Guest guest]

has anyone read (if you can still see) " Its all in your Head " by Dr.

Huggins.... it will just make you mad as heck... try reading " Informed

Consent " a story of Colleen Swanson. True story written by herself and her

husband. I believe the book is actually written by A. Byrne. I believe

alot of us women are poisoned due to the opinion " its just a woman " lets use

them for guinea pigs.... have to tell you, it is difficult not to get my cane

and knock these guys out. I dont have the strength anymore but at least we

can worn our daughters.

take care

kim

[Guest guest]

to everyone,,,,

get that mercury out!!! you can safely (as safe as i could find) replace

with porcelain. You will get really sick after, but if you have no other way

to detox, drink only pure filtered water 24-7... yes, you will live in the

bathroom.

all of this i did 10 years ago when i was first diagnosed. it breaks my

heart to see other people just starting out with some of these things.

anything foreign in your body (especially metals of any type) your body

will attack as foreign, our bodys are all electrical impulses and the

currents are being disrupted by all the toxic junk around us.

I had to leave class early because i could not watch these parents trying

to save thier children. the looks on their faces and the pain in their eyes

was all to familiar when i watched my mother try to save me. they have such

a long way to go and the stories of chemical exposure these children endured

by these idiot doctors made me so mad i had to leave. there was an entire

family there, made up of professional engineers, mds, ph.ds, etc., all coming

together trying to learn hyperbaric medicine to save thier son. all i could

do was cry. i had to leave and come home early. If you stick your nose out

far enough you will be flooded with info.

kim

[Guest guest]

<< That's interesting - do you know what the dosages are of the zinc and

selenium. I take both, but wondering how much you need.

Carol

>>

She takes 2 x 50ug Selenium - half an hour before meals twice a day and 2 x

15mg of zinc an hour after meals twice a day. It requires a lot of planning!

[Guest guest]

THERE IS A WAY TO TEST FOR MERCURY LEVELS IN YOUR BODY THROUGH HAIR ANALYSIS.

DR. PREVATERA IN COVINA CALIFORNIA DOES IT FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. I AM

SURE THERE ARE MANY MORE OUT THERE.

TAKE CARE

KIM

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Porcelain has some metals in it! There are some composites now with none.

Kaye

[Guest guest]

oh no!!!! porcelain has metals in it???? what are other options???

kim

[Guest guest]

Bellglass and targus which composites

Kaye

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Composites. They are some kind of plastic, or acrylic or something. There are several different kinds, and you can be tested to see what one is most non-allergenic for you. I have them and have had for about 4 years - they're great. (And it got rid of that dark look of the amalgams. Everything is white now.)

Carol

oh no!!!! porcelain has metals in it???? what are other options??? kim.