RE: Re: Was Providing Raw Milk -- FAQ or How To ???

[Guest guest]

Tonio,

the point I was trying to make is there are two sides to the issue and two (probably more) sets of thinking about government regulations being good/not good. I didn't want to get into a political discussion. Yes today's politicians disgust me, it's no longer the best man for the job it's about who has the most money and pull to win the nomination for the party. I love history, yet get sad when I read what our country was founded on and how far from those principles we've gone.

Oh well.... time to milk my goats!

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Neither political party serves the people. They both serve themselves and their mega-corporate cronies and supporters. And if anything the party that does lip service to smaller government and getting government off our backs is only doing it for the giant corporate interests that finance them to push their agenda. None of it supports small farmers or small business. Quite the opposite. If you think otherwise try competing against one of those unregulated mega-corporations that are the direct beneficiaries of our tax dollars every step of the way. It's called Corporate welfare, and it serves to accumulate more wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands. And we pay for it, buy it and brainwash ourselves with it whenever we watch TV or read the major newspapers.

If we work hard to educate our neighbors perhaps we will get to the point where raw dairy is demanded like organic is now. Then the mega dairies will start selling small amounts of raw dairy to accomodate the market. Just like the tobacco companies had warehouses stockpiled with marijuana cigarettes ready to hit the market when it was being considered for legalization. And of course, they will undercut local farmers in the endless pursuit of driving out all competition. They will then, as they do now, set the standards by which our government regulates the industry.

Wake up!!! The Democrats and the Republicans are both owned and paid for by big business plain and simple. Both have their own brand of rhetoric, but serve the same beast.

So don't be fooled by slick politicians telling you what you think you want to hear. Politics has become the science of fooling most of the people most of the time. They have it down to a science, and they are building upon it all the time.

I need a glass of raw milk.

Irate and disgusted,

Tonio

This is why we have two (mainly) political parties... those that think government should have a hand in everything and those that wish government would leave us the heck alone! Ok not quite that simple but you get the idea. I don't want the government breathing down my neck personally, they are out of control with all the rules and regulations... I would think you would be as miffed as anyone on this point. You said how much it costs you to operate under their guidelines... imagine if you could use that money as profit margin instead. Would you be any less sanitary and concerned about the health of your animals and consumers? It is those that would answer yes to that question that cause those of us who would say no to pay the price.

Yes I test my does milk monthly, I personally have my hands on those udders twice a day every day and know when production is down or there is a lump or bump. But that's me and I know not everyone is like that so I guess I feel it comes down to buyer beware, the way it's supposed to be!

Every single case of food poisoning in my life has come from commercial food products! As I recall the e-coli outbreaks and mad cow and all those wonderful things that we hear about are from commercial products! Please tell me how the government is really protecting us with all the regulations when people die from the regulated foods all the time.

Ok off my soapbox now.

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Re: Providing Raw Milk -- FAQ or How To ??? >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:29:53 -0000 > >The rules also say that you can not label something as milk & sell it. > >So why do we need to Label or call it Milk? >It's just "there", with a date on it. >I put a date on my containers which indicates when I filled the >container. > >All this jumping through loop holes is B S and I sure wish there were >not criminal penalties attached to providing "undestroyed" food. > >I wish there were penalties for calling "unclean" what nature gave us >as the perfect nourishment. > >-Sally > > > >

[Guest guest]

Neither political party serves the people. They both serve themselves and their mega-corporate cronies and supporters. And if anything the party that does lip service to smaller government and getting government off our backs is only doing it for the giant corporate interests that finance them to push their agenda. None of it supports small farmers or small business. Quite the opposite. If you think otherwise try competing against one of those unregulated mega-corporations that are the direct beneficiaries of our tax dollars every step of the way. It's called Corporate welfare, and it serves to accumulate more wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands. And we pay for it, buy it and brainwash ourselves with it whenever we watch TV or read the major newspapers.

If we work hard to educate our neighbors perhaps we will get to the point where raw dairy is demanded like organic is now. Then the mega dairies will start selling small amounts of raw dairy to accomodate the market. Just like the tobacco companies had warehouses stockpiled with marijuana cigarettes ready to hit the market when it was being considered for legalization. And of course, they will undercut local farmers in the endless pursuit of driving out all competition. They will then, as they do now, set the standards by which our government regulates the industry.

Wake up!!! The Democrats and the Republicans are both owned and paid for by big business plain and simple. Both have their own brand of rhetoric, but serve the same beast.

So don't be fooled by slick politicians telling you what you think you want to hear. Politics has become the science of fooling most of the people most of the time. They have it down to a science, and they are building upon it all the time.

I need a glass of raw milk.

Irate and disgusted,

Tonio

This is why we have two (mainly) political parties... those that think government should have a hand in everything and those that wish government would leave us the heck alone! Ok not quite that simple but you get the idea. I don't want the government breathing down my neck personally, they are out of control with all the rules and regulations... I would think you would be as miffed as anyone on this point. You said how much it costs you to operate under their guidelines... imagine if you could use that money as profit margin instead. Would you be any less sanitary and concerned about the health of your animals and consumers? It is those that would answer yes to that question that cause those of us who would say no to pay the price.

Yes I test my does milk monthly, I personally have my hands on those udders twice a day every day and know when production is down or there is a lump or bump. But that's me and I know not everyone is like that so I guess I feel it comes down to buyer beware, the way it's supposed to be!

Every single case of food poisoning in my life has come from commercial food products! As I recall the e-coli outbreaks and mad cow and all those wonderful things that we hear about are from commercial products! Please tell me how the government is really protecting us with all the regulations when people die from the regulated foods all the time.

Ok off my soapbox now.

Danni AckermanMighty Oak Farm Nubian Goatshttp://www.mightyoakfarm.comToday's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Re: Providing Raw Milk -- FAQ or How To ??? >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:29:53 -0000 > >The rules also say that you can not label something as milk & sell it. > >So why do we need to Label or call it Milk? >It's just "there", with a date on it. >I put a date on my containers which indicates when I filled the >container. > >All this jumping through loop holes is B S and I sure wish there were >not criminal penalties attached to providing "undestroyed" food. > >I wish there were penalties for calling "unclean" what nature gave us >as the perfect nourishment. > >-Sally > > > >

[Guest guest]

Danni,

My sincere apologies for firing that cannon shot in your direction. It's been one of those hot under the collar days. I usually try to avoid political polemics like the plague. I just get outraged and then can't see straight, and before I know it...off the deep end.

Tonio

\the point I was trying to make is there are two sides to the issue and two (probably more) sets of thinking about government regulations being good/not good. I didn't want to get into a political discussion. Yes today's politicians disgust me, it's no longer the best man for the job it's about who has the most money and pull to win the nomination for the party. I love history, yet get sad when I read what our country was founded on and how far from those principles we've gone.

Oh well.... time to milk my goats!

[Guest guest]

Just as an aside, and anecdotally speaking, I have found that it's the

Republicans in my state who support making raw milk legal. They are

the ones who are trying to change the law for the little guy. These

men are my friends and neighbors, I know where they live, they have

given me their cell numbers to call them anytime, they want to know

about any updates in the raw milk movement, and are VERY concerned

about freedoms like this being taken away. They were really outraged

when they read the dairy code saying that only pasteurized milk could

be sold in this state. Their question to me was " Why? I grew up on a

farm drinking raw milk and there's not a thing in the world wrong with

it. "

On Jul 11, 2004, at 1:13 AM, RawDairy wrote:

> Message: 11

> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:11:50 -0700

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> Subject: RE: Re: Was Providing Raw Milk -- FAQ or How To ???

>

> Tonio,

> the point I was trying to make is there are two sides to the issue and

> two (probably more) sets of thinking about government regulations being

> good/not good. I didn't want to get into a political discussion. Yes

> today's politicians disgust me, it's no longer the best man for the job

> it's about who has the most money and pull to win the nomination for

> the

> party. I love history, yet get sad when I read what our country was

> founded on and how far from those principles we've gone.

> Oh well.... time to milk my goats!

>

> Danni Ackerman

> Mighty Oak Farm Nubian Goats

> http://www.mightyoakfarm.com <http://www.mightyoakfarm.com/>

> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

>