Re: Dilema

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri,

Just my thoughts from a mothering perspective. I would give

him milk if he is asking for it. For myself personally, my

stomach has always been quite sensitive after vomiting, but

my children's stomaches have never seemed to adhere to any

such notion. I have seen them eating foods after vomiting

that would have me projectile vomiting within seconds. lol.

I would think the raw milk with its benefits would be good

for him, and his little body might know best. My oldest son

has never liked brown rice, from the time he was a small

child -- and if he ever happens to get some accidentally he

gets the runs. Maybe you could just give him a little bit

at a time, just to see how it affects him.

HTH,

Starlene

> traditional foods. One of the things that I have always

> known is that when a child has vomiting and/or diarrhea

> you rest the gut...clear liquids for 24 hours, then a

> bland, very low fat diet for 2-3 days, aka the " BRAT "

<snip>

> So, our oldest son (just turned 4) spent most of yesterday

> and last night vomiting--no diarrhea yet. I switched him

> to clear liquids and this morning after several hours of

> no vomiting I started him on the BRAT diet. It's old

<snip>

> Am I thinking right here or have any of you had the

> experience of adding back in the raw dairy early on? I

> found it interesting that last night he kept asking for a

> glass of milk!! I know I could just give him some milk

<snip>

> Thank you,

> Sherri

[Guest guest]

Sherri,

That is an excellent question, I can't wait to hear all the answers. My

kids had severe vomiting this past year and we did the brat diet. It

took two days on this diet just to get them to hold down foods. I often

wondered if there was a different way!

~Candace

So, our oldest son (just turned 4) spent most of yesterday and last

night vomiting--no diarrhea yet. I switched him to clear liquids

and this morning after several hours of no vomiting I started him on

the BRAT diet. It's old thinking, and I'm not so sure if it is

correct. Should I be adding the raw milk back into him to replenish

some of the " good stuff " that his gut has lost? My old thinking

says the fats in dairy are to hard to digest (we always tell parents

that dairy should be the last food to be rintroduced), but is that

because they are so processed? I have some probiotics, should I

think about getting that in him somehow? Seems like yogurt or

keifer might be good options but I don't have any from raw milk.

Am I thinking right here or have any of you had the experience of

adding back in the raw dairy early on? I found it interesting that

last night he kept asking for a glass of milk!! I know I could just

give him some milk and see how he does, but I don't want to make him

sick again if that is the wrong thing to do. Sometimes I wonder why

I had to pay as much as I did for my education when it was filled

with so wrong information! But I must say it was easier when I

thought I had all of the answers...

Thank you,

Sherri

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[Guest guest]

Hey there Sherri,

It's never easy seeing your kids sick! I get nervous too when I see mine sick (which thankfully is pretty rare, amen!)

I have a recipe for home-made Gatorade. Saves the day, don't have to haul sick kids to the store, and keeps kids hydrated.

Fruit juice, diluted if you want. Add a dash of maple syrup and a sprinkle of salt. Done! It's very very similar to Gatorade/Pedialyte properties then.

I remember Blair telling me that white bread "binds" the intestines and in that case good for diarrhea. I can't remember where she learned that.

BRAT is Banana, Rice, Apples and Toast..reintroduced in that order. But you know what? I would give my child anything he/she asks for within reason. Coke is good for settling the tummy, no kidding! So that would be up to you if you wanted to allow the tummy settling effects despite the refined sugar intake. Just an example.

I really believe our children know what their bodies need, and sorta grow out of that as they get older. Good luck and keep me posted!

Sara

a commiserating momma! ;-)

Dilema

I am looking for some thoughts. I have been a Nurse Practitioner for years and have worked in a variety of specialty areas including pediatrics. I have had to really question a lot of the "truths" that I have held for so long, as we have switched to raw milk and other traditional foods. One of the things that I have always known is that when a child has vomiting and/or diarrhea you rest the gut...clear liquids for 24 hours, then a bland, very low fat diet for 2-3 days, aka the "BRAT" diet. You slowly re-introduce low fat protien around day 2 in small amounts. You have to be careful and not keep them on the diet too long or it will create more problems...diarrhea!So, our oldest son (just turned 4) spent most of yesterday and last night vomiting--no diarrhea yet. I switched him to clear liquids and this morning after several hours of no vomiting I started him on the BRAT diet. It's old thinking, and I'm not so sure if it is correct. Should I be adding the raw milk back into him to replenish some of the "good stuff" that his gut has lost? My old thinking says the fats in dairy are to hard to digest (we always tell parents that dairy should be the last food to be rintroduced), but is that because they are so processed? I have some probiotics, should I think about getting that in him somehow? Seems like yogurt or keifer might be good options but I don't have any from raw milk. Am I thinking right here or have any of you had the experience of adding back in the raw dairy early on? I found it interesting that last night he kept asking for a glass of milk!! I know I could just give him some milk and see how he does, but I don't want to make him sick again if that is the wrong thing to do. Sometimes I wonder why I had to pay as much as I did for my education when it was filled with so wrong information! But I must say it was easier when I thought I had all of the answers...Thank you,SherriPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

We had success using Thieves Essential oil when we had the flu this spring. To get my daughter to drink it in some milk, I usually let her chase it with a favorite drink. The Thieves that I use is from Young Living Oils and some health food stores carry it. There are other brands as well. If you are not familiar with essential oils, you want the therapeutic grade not aromatherapy. To date, I've only found Young Living to be the best. My husband and I both had the stomach flu and using this oil kicked it really quick. There are other oils that can be used as well. We've used oregano oil too but found the Thieves worked better. Oils can be really spicy and hot so only one to two drops is best. (need to be used with care.) Milk is the best thing to drop the oils into and only a small amount of milk so you can get it down in one or two gulps. Some oils can be put on the skin for absorbtion and work well that way too. Not all oils can be ingested but are just for topical use so make sure you read about them. I'm just learning about essential oils and have found them very useful. Getting a guide book has helped me attack just about any health, cleaning, personal hygiene issue we've had. http://www.youngliving.us/ I do not sell these products. I am just a user of their oils.

Best wishes,

Dilema

<I am looking for some thoughts. I have been a Nurse Practitioner for years and have worked in a variety of specialty areas including pediatrics. I have had to really question a lot of the "truths" that I have held for so long, as we have switched to raw milk and other traditional foods. One of the things that I have always known is that when a child has vomiting and/or diarrhea you rest the gut...clear liquids for 24 hours, then a bland, very low fat diet for 2-3 days, aka the "BRAT" diet. You slowly re-introduce low fat protien around day 2 in small amounts. You have to be careful and not keep them on the diet too long or it will create more problems...diarrhea!>Thank you,Sherri

[Guest guest]

A product called Emer'gen-C generally found at health food stores is a good almost like gatorade drink except it is more of a vitamin drink. I actually found them at Walmart now in the health/vitamin section. It comes in a long narrow box and the drink is in powdered form in little packets. Just add to water.

Best wishes,

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<< I have a recipe for home-made Gatorade. Saves the day, don't have to haul sick kids to the store, and keeps kids hydrated.

Fruit juice, diluted if you want. Add a dash of maple syrup and a sprinkle of salt. Done! It's very very similar to Gatorade/Pedialyte properties then.>>

[Guest guest]

We always use defizzed 7-up for upset stomachs and to get rid of vomiting.

Only 7-up seems to have the right effect and it is very important that it

be defizzed almost entirely or altogether. A blender does a nice job of

defizzing it. Other lemon-lime sodas just don't work. I've never seen

where someone who was vomiting badly even with projectile vomiting

couldn't after having 7-up for about 8 hours start moving back to normal

foods.

Also on the BRAT diet you can use Raisins instead of Rice. They seem to

have the same sort of effect.

I agree that typically most people especially kids will know what they can

handle. I have an iron stomach. I simply don't get that sick to my

stomach, but my daughter does and she knows usually what she can't eat at

those times.

Roxanna

Show Low, AZ

> I am looking for some thoughts. I have been a Nurse Practitioner

> for years and have worked in a variety of specialty areas including

> pediatrics. I have had to really question a lot of the

> & quot;truths & quot;

> that I have held for so long, as we have switched to raw milk and

> other traditional foods. One of the things that I have always known

> is that when a child has vomiting and/or diarrhea you rest the

> gut...clear liquids for 24 hours, then a bland, very low fat diet

> for 2-3 days, aka the & quot;BRAT & quot; diet. You slowly re-introduce low

> fat

> protien around day 2 in small amounts. You have to be careful and

> not keep them on the diet too long or it will create more

> problems...diarrhea!

>

> Thank you,

> Sherri

>

[Guest guest]

Sherri--

I'm not an Expert in these matters, but I hear many things from Mothers on this Issue.

Kids who despise processed milk often suck our stuff down like crazy, shocking many parents. The fact that a small child "asked" for it like that suggests to me his Body Wisdom is Correct in this case. Consume it and nothing else for 3 days, and you seem to get the best results when someone is Sick. Good milk is a Complete Food and gives the GI Tract a rest. Sugar is the big No No.

Most kids, unless severely allergic, get Better very quickly, regardless of all the conflicting data on the subject. I've seen kids with the lingering cough resolve within a week. Adults, because of Stone formation, bile sludge, etc. do not respond as quickly or as "miraculously". Goat will often work even better than Cow.

Add a course of Antibiotics to a dairy Allergy, and I can almost guarantee gas, diarrhea, and maybe a skin rash. Sometimes cultured raw dairy www.realmilk.com/fall2000brenda.html is enough to side-step these symptoms, but not always. RawCream alone has been known to alleviate what the RawMilk cannot. Many cannot handle the milk Sugars, but the milk Fats are nearly Universal, even for those with stones. It soothes the digestive tract and emulsifies bile sludge, but it must be Raw.

These are ideas for you balance with your Motherly Instinct, nursing experience, and the instincts of your child. Just about everything you heard about Processed Milk is likely true. Education must really start after we graduate.... maybe that's in fine print on our diplomas somewhere (?). Most of us just wonder, "For this I went to College..."

--Terry

Dilema

I am looking for some thoughts. I have been a Nurse Practitioner for years and have worked in a variety of specialty areas including pediatrics. I have had to really question a lot of the "truths" that I have held for so long, as we have switched to raw milk and other traditional foods. One of the things that I have always known is that when a child has vomiting and/or diarrhea you rest the gut...clear liquids for 24 hours, then a bland, very low fat diet for 2-3 days, aka the "BRAT" diet. You slowly re-introduce low fat protien around day 2 in small amounts. You have to be careful and not keep them on the diet too long or it will create more problems...diarrhea!So, our oldest son (just turned 4) spent most of yesterday and last night vomiting--no diarrhea yet. I switched him to clear liquids and this morning after several hours of no vomiting I started him on the BRAT diet. It's old thinking, and I'm not so sure if it is correct. Should I be adding the raw milk back into him to replenish some of the "good stuff" that his gut has lost? My old thinking says the fats in dairy are to hard to digest (we always tell parents that dairy should be the last food to be rintroduced), but is that because they are so processed? I have some probiotics, should I think about getting that in him somehow? Seems like yogurt or keifer might be good options but I don't have any from raw milk. Am I thinking right here or have any of you had the experience of adding back in the raw dairy early on? I found it interesting that last night he kept asking for a glass of milk!! I know I could just give him some milk and see how he does, but I don't want to make him sick again if that is the wrong thing to do. Sometimes I wonder why I had to pay as much as I did for my education when it was filled with so wrong information! But I must say it was easier when I thought I had all of the answers...Thank you,Sherri

[Guest guest]

Try slippery elm bark. It is very soothing to the the inside of the body

and the whole digestive track. My 31/2 yr old had watery diarrhea for a day

until I gave him a teaspoon of the slippery elm in yogurt and his sore

bottom and stools went right back to normal.

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

I know that doctors consider breast milk to be a " clear liquid " while

formula is not. I don't see why any raw milk wouldn't be similar.

I'd say that if the child wants milk, let him have some. My old

trick (pre-weston price) when my DD was ill and not drinking was to

give her " bubble juice " which was a mixture of mostly water, some

apple juice and a little 7up or sprite. It was always a hit, even if

she wouldn't put anything else in her mouth.

Lynn