Re: Somatic cell count / Mastitis milk

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

I was a member of La Leche League for about a decade, and

yes that is the recommendation for when a woman has a breast

infection -- have the baby nurse more often on the affected

side, apply heat, drink more fluids, etc. I have had a

breast infection and that side gets flat as a pancake due to

the breast making less milk plus the extra nursing on that

side. I always assumed my nursling was less inclined to

nurse on that side because of the little to none production

at that time. As I understand it, because there is an

infection even more " good stuff " would be flowing into the

milk to heal the infection. I do know when I had a breast

infection I felt worse than the worse case of the flu, plus

the pain in my breast was ungodly painful. It was all I

could do to allow my nursling to nurse.

Purely speculation on my part, but I would venture to say

the animal offspring won't nurse from the affected side due

to the fact there is little to no milk from the mastitis,

plus that side could be painful and the animal would not

want/allow its offspring to nurse?

Plus, I understand an " old-timers " way to cure a goat of her

mastitis is to allow her to drink some of her affected milk

which will cause her body to create antibodies to fight the

infection. We had a doe with mastitis recently and she

sucked up the milk like it was the best milkshake in the

world.

I also find myself wondering how human lactation can be so

different from cow/goat lactation.

Starlene

U-Say Ranch Nubian Goats

Maricopa, Arizona

----- Original Message Follows -----

> Any animal (dog, cat, goat etc.) who has mastitis even

> their offspring won't drink out the contaminated side.

>

> This is not true for humans though. Women are

> encouraged to nurse more often off the affected side. I

> know of any number of women with this problem and none had

> trouble getting their babies to latch on and nurse from

> that side. The babies appeared to be healthy. Wonder

> what the difference is? Anybody have any ideas?

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

>

Charlene,

No puss or blood in the milk.

We each bring our own containers. We have ruled that out as a source

of contamination as virtually everyone complained about the taste

this time.

I will get back to you on his homeopathic treatments for infection

and worms.

I guess it is up to the pigs to decide if they want to consume the

milk that is dumped in their troth or not. I can say that the pork

from this farm is by far the tastiest I have ever had!

You said in an earlier post that you would not drink this milk. Do

you still feel this way? Would you cancle the delivery, or let each

member of the group make their own decision about purchasing it

(after giving them all of the details)?

[Guest guest]

Starlene--

You just explained Immunotherapy perfectly, and how it occurs naturally. Wm s writes about this.

Lots of companies like Mannatech are charging ungodly amounts of money for a few pills that do just that (maybe). You will also see lots of Colostrum blends. In the case of these companies, they are injecting the teats of dairy cows with Staph, etc to get an antibody milk.

The Bacterial Count is the Gold Standard. The other tests help the farmer to "improve" his milk, but as spoken by very fine farmers already, there's a Mystery going on that defies description. We know it means Something, but too many ideas of exactly what, make it unsuitable to use, or to deny a farmer an Excellent Rating.

To bulk RawMilk from otherwise clean sources is always Wise. As Mark McAfee's experiments show.... the Pathogenic Species they put in the tanks to "spike" it just "disappears" after awhile. This is what Matters.

--Terry

Re: Somatic cell count / Mastitis milk

Hi Amy,I was a member of La Leche League for about a decade, andyes that is the recommendation for when a woman has a breastinfection -- have the baby nurse more often on the affectedside, apply heat, drink more fluids, etc. I have had abreast infection and that side gets flat as a pancake due tothe breast making less milk plus the extra nursing on thatside. I always assumed my nursling was less inclined tonurse on that side because of the little to none productionat that time. As I understand it, because there is aninfection even more "good stuff" would be flowing into themilk to heal the infection. I do know when I had a breastinfection I felt worse than the worse case of the flu, plusthe pain in my breast was ungodly painful. It was all Icould do to allow my nursling to nurse.Purely speculation on my part, but I would venture to saythe animal offspring won't nurse from the affected side dueto the fact there is little to no milk from the mastitis,plus that side could be painful and the animal would notwant/allow its offspring to nurse? Plus, I understand an "old-timers" way to cure a goat of hermastitis is to allow her to drink some of her affected milkwhich will cause her body to create antibodies to fight theinfection. We had a doe with mastitis recently and shesucked up the milk like it was the best milkshake in theworld.I also find myself wondering how human lactation can be sodifferent from cow/goat lactation. StarleneU-Say Ranch Nubian GoatsMaricopa, Arizona----- Original Message Follows -----> Any animal (dog, cat, goat etc.) who has mastitis even> their offspring won't drink out the contaminated side. > > This is not true for humans though. Women are> encouraged to nurse more often off the affected side. I> know of any number of women with this problem and none had> trouble getting their babies to latch on and nurse from> that side. The babies appeared to be healthy. Wonder> what the difference is? Anybody have any ideas? > Amy

[Guest guest]

Amy I concur. My lactation consultant told me DEFINITELY to nurse

through the infection when I got it from a too tight bra. And it was

yes, exquisitely painful. The LC said that I definitely should not

stop nursing as that would help it to heal, having the milk flow

through. My babies didn't seem to mind. I am not sure, but I do

believe that calves continue to nurse on a mama cow's teat even if she

has mastitis...

On Jul 6, 2004, at 2:39 PM, RawDairy wrote:

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> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:45:49 -0400

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> Subject: Re: Somatic cell count / Mastitis milk

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> Any animal (dog, cat, goat etc.) who has mastitis even

> their offspring won't drink out the contaminated side.

>

> This is not true for humans though. Women are encouraged to nurse

> more often off the affected side. I know of any number of women with

> this problem and none had trouble getting their babies to latch on and

> nurse from that side. The babies appeared to be healthy. Wonder what

> the difference is? Anybody have any ideas?

> Amy

[Guest guest]

Thankyou Charlene and the others who have posted on this topic.

After giving this alot of thought, I have decided to switch dairies.

I just can't bring myself to drink this milk knowing that 1/3 of the

cows have this condition - even if the somatic cell count is within

acceptable levels. I feel bad because the farmer was honest with

me.

I liken my feelings on this to my feelings on genetically modified

food. I'm sure I have consumed it unknowingly (in resturants etc)

but put a GM labeled potato in front of me and I won't touch it.

I am convinced that his milk is absolutely safe to drink. As far as

flavor goes, there is no way to taste it before hand because he

drives 2 hours to deliver our pre-ordered milk to us.

I plan to ask him to tell everyone in the group about the

SSC/mastitus situation. Perhaps if enough people get turned off, he

will reconsider his ability to take our milk from the uninfected

portion of the herd.