Re: AIHA and the CIH [apologies to Mr. Temes]

[Guest guest]

Group:

it's time to offer my apologies, once again.

Mr. Steve Temes: I see that I have mistakenly named you in my most

recent message, when in fact, the erroneous info was posted by

someone else. please accept my sincere apologies, Steve. I am very

sorry for the mistake of having accused you of spreading this

misinformation.

Mr. Adam J. Pratt: my comments quite obviously should have fallen at

your feet. please re-read the following accordingly.

Wane

> > > All IHs must have a minimum of an undergraduate degree to be in

> > this field.

So, therefore, your

> > statement about

> > > requirements for the CIH, which is no where near the level of

> > experience or

> > > education that a doctor needs (and that is who I compared it

to, not lawyers and engineers).

> >

> > I think, no, I know what is required by the AIHA for the CIH

certificate. A test. May I say that again. A test.

> > >

> > > Yes, I understand that without proving to the AIHA that you

have experience, and doing a heck of a lot of studying, you may, I

repeat, may not be able to take and pass the test. But, guess what

my dear n, I know that anyone that is proficient at taking tests

can pass the exam with less studying.

> > > I also have a question for you...... Why did the AIHA eliminate

the CIE subset of the CIH? Why has the AIHA not come up with a

> > certification for indoor environmental specialists like myself?

Why has the AIHA not issue standards or guidance documentation for

IAQ and Mold?

> > > Adam J. Pratt

[Guest guest]

The CIH debate seems to go on and on. I have the greatest respect

for CIH's and have worked with many. In the dabate over the

expertise of a CIH, I have worked with some very experienced CIH's

from NASA, etc. that admittedly have no experience with mold issues.

I have also worked with CIH's that have little, if any understanding

of building science or HVAC systems. This is why I believe that a

multi-disciplined team of experts work best when IAQ problems

arise.I personally believe, after performing over 4000 projects

involving construction defects, building science, environmental

issues and mold that ego is what drives many of these conversations.

The best way to judge who is best for a particular circumstance, one

should first look at the project and second, look at the success

rate of the technician. Having over 4000 past clients and having

never been litigated against speaks for itself. I am not a CIH, but

I have been involved in building, IAQ, building management, HVAC

system diagnosis for almost 30 years. I believe the best in the

field are those professionals that understand the problem and

understand their own limitations. Most consumers are intelligent

enough not to judge a professional by the letters after their name.

Experience and success rate are the best barometers of performance.

Especially in new fields such as mold. I personally think that the

mold problem was selectively inherited by the IH community when in

reality, it is a building science and construction defect issue.

jmho

Al Tibbs, CIAQT

C.L.I. Cleveland, OH

www.closerlookinspection.com

> > > > All IHs must have a minimum of an undergraduate degree to be

in

> > > this field.

> So, therefore, your

> > > statement about

> > > > requirements for the CIH, which is no where near the level

of

> > > experience or

> > > > education that a doctor needs (and that is who I compared it

> to, not lawyers and engineers).

> > >

> > > I think, no, I know what is required by the AIHA for the CIH

> certificate. A test. May I say that again. A test.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I understand that without proving to the AIHA that you

> have experience, and doing a heck of a lot of studying, you may, I

> repeat, may not be able to take and pass the test. But, guess

what

> my dear n, I know that anyone that is proficient at taking

tests

> can pass the exam with less studying.

> > > > I also have a question for you...... Why did the AIHA

eliminate

> the CIE subset of the CIH? Why has the AIHA not come up with a

> > > certification for indoor environmental specialists like

myself?

> Why has the AIHA not issue standards or guidance documentation for

> IAQ and Mold?

>

> > > > Adam J. Pratt

[Guest guest]

Let me just clarify a point for everyone here. My issue is not with the

AIHA directly (and I do realize, though getting caught in a bog of alphabet

soup, that the ABIH sponsors the AIHA). My issue is with those CIHs that

are of the opinion that 3 little letters after their name makes them better

than those of us without those 3 little letters. Just because I choose not

to become a CIH at this point in my career, which I am still questioning the

future, is my choice. It has nothing to do with my qualifications as an IH

and Indoor Air Quality (Indoor Envirornmental Quality) Specialist. There, I

said it. I hope that clarifies things for everyone. I have as much

experience as many CIHs. I have chosen to remain a " lowly " IH. It is a

choice. It has nothing to do with my knowledge base and/or experience. So,

I can't sit on the stand as a recognized expert. I can still assist in the

preparation of expert testimony. Again, my issue is not with the

organization. My issue is with those CIHs that have egos the size of Texas

just because of the designation.

Adam Pratt, still an IH

Re: AIHA and the CIH [apologies to Mr. Temes]

Group:

it's time to offer my apologies, once again.

Mr. Steve Temes: I see that I have mistakenly named you in my most

recent message, when in fact, the erroneous info was posted by

someone else. please accept my sincere apologies, Steve. I am very

sorry for the mistake of having accused you of spreading this

misinformation.

Mr. Adam J. Pratt: my comments quite obviously should have fallen at

your feet. please re-read the following accordingly.

Wane

> > > All IHs must have a minimum of an undergraduate degree to be in

> > this field.

So, therefore, your

> > statement about

> > > requirements for the CIH, which is no where near the level of

> > experience or

> > > education that a doctor needs (and that is who I compared it

to, not lawyers and engineers).

> >

> > I think, no, I know what is required by the AIHA for the CIH

certificate. A test. May I say that again. A test.

> > >

> > > Yes, I understand that without proving to the AIHA that you

have experience, and doing a heck of a lot of studying, you may, I

repeat, may not be able to take and pass the test. But, guess what

my dear n, I know that anyone that is proficient at taking tests

can pass the exam with less studying.

> > > I also have a question for you...... Why did the AIHA eliminate

the CIE subset of the CIH? Why has the AIHA not come up with a

> > certification for indoor environmental specialists like myself?

Why has the AIHA not issue standards or guidance documentation for

IAQ and Mold?

> > > Adam J. Pratt

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[Guest guest]

I used to look at the CIH issue the same way...I'm was still " just an

IH " , but I didn't care. 70% of my requests at the University were IEQ

related, and I had more knowledge and experience in IEQ than the average

CIH. So why did I need those three letters after my name to do my job

in the University environment? Then I began to realize that was a

negative, self - defeatist outlook. I was short changing myself. This

fact was unavoidable after a simple examination of the pro's and

con's...if I studied for and passed the CIH exam, I would:

1.) expand my professional knowledge;

2.) raise my credibility and marketability.

Is there anything negative in 1.) and 2.) above? And what about the

cost? I would have to study consistently for an extended period of

time. No problem. The answer was obvious to me. Having realized this,

I stopped complaining about some CIH's automatically getting credit

where credit wasn't necessarily due (the IEQ arena). Instead, I started

studying in the spring, with plans to take the test this fall.

For anyone working in the field of IH (even the " non traditional " IH

disciplines like IEQ), obtaining the CIH can only be an overwhelmingly

positive accomplishment both personally and professionally, so why waste

time and mental energy being critical of AIHA or ABIH? I decided to

spend that time and mental energy studying for the exam. The end result

will be positive for me.

Acker

University of Kentucky OHS Department

Re: AIHA and the CIH [apologies to Mr. Temes]

Group:

it's time to offer my apologies, once again.

Mr. Steve Temes: I see that I have mistakenly named you in my most

recent message, when in fact, the erroneous info was posted by

someone else. please accept my sincere apologies, Steve. I am very

sorry for the mistake of having accused you of spreading this

misinformation.

Mr. Adam J. Pratt: my comments quite obviously should have fallen at

your feet. please re-read the following accordingly.

Wane

> > > All IHs must have a minimum of an undergraduate degree to be in

> > this field.

So, therefore, your

> > statement about

> > > requirements for the CIH, which is no where near the level of

> > experience or

> > > education that a doctor needs (and that is who I compared it

to, not lawyers and engineers).

> >

> > I think, no, I know what is required by the AIHA for the CIH

certificate. A test. May I say that again. A test.

> > >

> > > Yes, I understand that without proving to the AIHA that you

have experience, and doing a heck of a lot of studying, you may, I

repeat, may not be able to take and pass the test. But, guess what

my dear n, I know that anyone that is proficient at taking tests

can pass the exam with less studying.

> > > I also have a question for you...... Why did the AIHA eliminate

the CIE subset of the CIH? Why has the AIHA not come up with a

> > certification for indoor environmental specialists like myself?

Why has the AIHA not issue standards or guidance documentation for

IAQ and Mold?

> > > Adam J. Pratt

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been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such

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environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific,

and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use'

of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the

US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the

material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have

expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for

research and educational purposes. For more information go to:

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