SV: A Question on Toxic Mold

[Guest guest]

"Toxic mold" is an expression that is never used in the Scandinavian Countries.

Why ?

Well... we never had "the Clevland incident" for one..

I totally agree with Mr. Connel on the matter that this is a term that is useless and only creates unneccessery fear in the public.

It is right up there with "Black Mold" and "Killer Molds"

If you want to express your meaning some more words are needed like " a fast growing fungi that under given circumstances has the possibilitie to produce mycotoxins"

Ole Carlson

Mycoteam as / Norway

-----Opprinnelig melding-----Fra: Tony Havics Sendt: 10. juni 2004 00:06Til: iequality Emne: A Question on Toxic MoldWe have all heard and used the term "toxic mold".How do ya'll define it?I have my definition and support for that opinion (which I'll provide onFriday - too busy tomorrow unfortunately) but I'd be interested in how ya'llhave defined it.Tony................................................. "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH25450 N. Lafayette RoadIndianapolis, IN 46254Office: Fax: This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may containlegally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only forthe individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are notthe addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, youare not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and anyattachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments(including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at. Delivery of this message and any attachments to any personother than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waiveconfidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only ofthe sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied ordistributed without this statement.FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as "toxic mold". Practically

all mold species, however, are capable of producing compounds

(ranging from penicillin to aflatoxin) which may be toxic at high

doses. It is the "DOSE that makes the poison", a basic tenet of

toxicology which the "chemophobes" and "fungiphobes" of the world fail

to understand!

-

P.S. I wrote a commentary ("Mountains Out of

Mold Hills") a few years ago which more fully expresses my

opinion on this topic. If anyone is interested, it is available online

at: www.cos-mag.com/exclusives.htm

W. Mullen, PhD, FCSFS

Toxicologist

KEMIC BIORESEARCH

Kentville

Nova Scotia, B4N 4H8

Canada

Tel. Fax E-mail pmullen@...

Ole Carlson wrote:

"Toxic

mold" is an expression that is never used in the Scandinavian

Countries.

Why ?

Well...

we never had "the Clevland incident" for one..

I totally

agree with Mr. Connel on the matter that this is a term that is useless

and only creates unneccessery fear in the public.

It is

right up there with "Black Mold" and "Killer Molds"

If you

want to express your meaning some more words are needed like " a fast

growing fungi that under given circumstances has the possibilitie to

produce mycotoxins"

Ole

Carlson

Mycoteam

as / Norway

-----Opprinnelig melding-----

Fra: Tony Havics

Sendt: 10. juni 2004 00:06

Til: iequality

Emne: A Question on Toxic Mold

We have all heard and used the term "toxic mold".

How do ya'll define it?

I have my definition and support for that opinion (which I'll provide on

Friday - too busy tomorrow unfortunately) but I'd be interested in how

ya'll

have defined it.

Tony

..................................................

"Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

pH2

5450 N. Lafayette Road

Indianapolis, IN 46254

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,

Since some people are known to react to fungal components (and bioaerosols in general) at low exposure levels, would it not also be true to say that the individual sensitivity makes the poison?

Steve Temes

It is the "DOSE that makes the poison", a basic tenet of toxicology which the "chemophobes" and "fungiphobes" of the world fail to understand!

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Steve

I use the fact that I react ar lower levels of fungal exposure than most to find the mold. I have found, however, that most people do not understand the distribution curve around the median, but only the one number. Some of my clients are much more sensitive than I am, and some of their spouses are much less sensitive than either of us.

Jim H. White SSAL

Re: SV: A Question on Toxic Mold

,Since some people are known to react to fungal components (and bioaerosols in general) at low exposure levels, would it not also be true to say that the individual sensitivity makes the poison?Steve Temes

It is the "DOSE that makes the poison", a basic tenet of toxicology which the "chemophobes" and "fungiphobes" of the world fail to understand!FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

,

You make an excellent point. I also read your commentary and enjoyed it. It must be all that clean air in canada!

Shane

Re: SV: A Question on Toxic Mold

Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as "toxic mold". Practically all mold species, however, are capable of producing compounds (ranging from penicillin to aflatoxin) which may be toxic at high doses. It is the "DOSE that makes the poison", a basic tenet of toxicology which the "chemophobes" and "fungiphobes" of the world fail to understand!- P.S. I wrote a commentary ("Mountains Out of Mold Hills") a few years ago which more fully expresses my opinion on this topic. If anyone is interested, it is available online at: www.cos-mag.com/exclusives.htm W. Mullen, PhD, FCSFS

Toxicologist

KEMIC BIORESEARCH

Kentville

Nova Scotia, B4N 4H8

Canada

Tel. Fax E-mail pmullen@...Ole Carlson wrote:

"Toxic mold" is an expression that is never used in the Scandinavian Countries.

Why ?

Well... we never had "the Clevland incident" for one..

I totally agree with Mr. Connel on the matter that this is a term that is useless and only creates unneccessery fear in the public.

It is right up there with "Black Mold" and "Killer Molds"

If you want to express your meaning some more words are needed like " a fast growing fungi that under given circumstances has the possibilitie to produce mycotoxins"

Ole Carlson

Mycoteam as / Norway

-----Opprinnelig melding-----Fra: Tony Havics Sendt: 10. juni 2004 00:06Til: iequality Emne: A Question on Toxic MoldWe have all heard and used the term "toxic mold".How do ya'll define it?I have my definition and support for that opinion (which I'll provide onFriday - too busy tomorrow unfortunately) but I'd be interested in how ya'llhave defined it.Tony................................................. "Tony" Havics, CHMM, CIH, PEpH25450 N. Lafayette RoadIndianapolis, IN 46254Office: Fax: