Re: Worming, etc

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a wrote:

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> Point well taken, Garnet. Note that I did say I 'choose' to believe

> CS works for worms - GRIN. I'm looking for any excuse not to give

> poison to any of my animals.

If you do turn to herbal wormers keep in mind that these are also

poisons. Poisons that affect worms and not your horse. Just as

Fenbendazole is a poison that kills worms and does not affect your

horse. I have not seen a single report in 35 years of Fenbendazole

having side effects, other than killing too many worms if the horse has

a heavy load, and that is not the Fenbendazole that is the detritis from

the dead worms. In such a case most informed horse care takers worm in

half doses every two weeks for a while.

> I did do some research on the life

> cycles of various worms but nowhere was there any reference to a

> single-cell stage. I assumed that was just not info that would

> ordinarily be given. Maybe some worms are initially single-celled and

> some aren't. I keep hoping I'll run across some info that

> specifically addresses this but I haven't so far.

Any organism that is produced by the union of an egg and a sperm has a

single celled stage, the fertilized egg. I still would not think that

because CS kills some single celled organisms that it would kill a

fertilized egg cell. At this point I would say we just don't know, until

someone does the research.

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> I was interested in what you said about fecals. For over 20 years I

> had 4 yard ornaments on pasture 24/7. They were not dewormed or vaxed

> and never had hoof trims because their hooves stayed in great shape.

> They looked fantastic but I got paranoid about not deworming. That

> was brought on by being accused of negligence by a 4-H person. The

> allopathic vet was here and I told him that I wanted to have fecals

> done. He said he would but that I'd be wasting my money. He said he

> could look at the horses and see that they weren't 'wormy'. He also

> said that worms were a part of life and that they played a role in

> digestion. I assume he meant 'up to a point'.

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> I had a dobie who had tapes her entire life. I was regularly

> deworming her with whatever the stuff is that is specifically for

> tapes. Finally, this same vet refused to sell me any more of the

> pills and told me emphatically to leave the dog alone! He said tapes

> caused little, if any, damage and that I just needed to get over it.

> I did. BTW, she didn't have fleas so I could never figure out why she

> was the only one of 6 pets with this problem.

Droncit does not worm well on tapes. I used a whole bottle of 150 over a

year and half and until I went to Power Packing with Fenbendazole we had

tapes in our young dogs.

Some of them got very thin until I found the info on PP. So I would not

say that tapeworms are harmless. It depends on the individual host and

their load, sensitivity, state of immune function etc. Some animals

develop immunity after about one year of age and the infestations are

more limited.

Maybe her immunity was not as good. Maybe she kept infesting herself,

never got completely rid of them. Picked them up somewhere besides your

property. Hard to say.

> One of the DE/fecal exam trials took place on a horse list. One

> person who said DE absolutely did not work had MANY fecal exams done.

> Ages later I found out that her horse was stall-kept and had a turn-

> out pen. Well - DUH!

I am thinking if it does not work on a stalled horse with turn out, then

what good is it? Most people do not have large enough pasture avoid self

infestation.

My conclusion was that it took huge amounts, that would not really be

considered safe as far as impaction and interfering with normal eating.

The frequency with which it was recommended that I worm and the amount

of DE I was told to use in a suggested protocol did not work and was not

sustainable. I was unwilling to feed such amounts of any foreign

substance. The suggestions I found upon doing a fairly intensive

Internet search, concerning dosages was all over the map! No one had any

standardized dosage info or studies. That is where I stop experimenting

on my animals, when it gets fuzzy and moderate dosages are not working.

Garnet