Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 I also shall be following your lipoma progress keenly, and probably will follow you into this experimental field. I read on the net somewhere quite a while back where someone was treating an animal's lipoma with, I think, Rife; anyway, an energy med device, and at time of reading it had reduced somewhat. I have been treating a lipoma on the side of my chest with my Enar device (www.enlightenedtherapies.com) when I remember. Now I check it, it does seem sort of smaller and harder. Length now: From base of palm to middle knuckle. index finger. Width: From one edge of palm to the other. Say 130 x 85 mm. The Dr told me it is harmless; that if they are removed they grow back, that they have a blood supply and that every now and then something goes wrong with that, and that is when they get sore to the touch. Hope I have remembered that correctly; it was several years ago and so I have pretty much been resigned to putting up with that one, and another older but smaller one that lives on the outer edge of my sit-upon area. They can feel quite sore. I am thinking of adding DMSO/CS to some calendula ointment that already has a bit of emu oil in it for overnight use, and trial it that way. I might cover it with a bit of greaseproof paper and plastic wrap. Don't feel like having the plastic wrap directly on the solvent! Or just tape the greaseproof paper to the skin. You talk about encapsulated and non encapsulated lipomas, Hanneke - what is the difference, how can you tell? What size are they? That's an awfully high number, surely. Does anyone know what the results of pathology on lipomas is? Has anyone ever looked for, for instance, parasites or some such as a starting point? Why on earth would the body suddenly start churning out fat cells in a particular spot? Bites? Puncture wounds? Deposits like phosphates or calcium? It never occurred to me to try DMSO on these, Hanneke, yet you have gone straight in and done it! Good on ya, mate. Anybody like to speculate on the effect of DMSO on calcification of tissue? Ah, how about adding it to comfrey ointment? Or, why don't I look for some comfrey leaves and mash them up in DMSO? Hmmm. (Because comfrey ointment has been on my shopping reminder for weeks and I haven't remembered once to get it, even if the chemist here, small town, has any . . . No HFS, alas.) Rowena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Doug, from the Equine Herbal List uses DMSO to make herbal tinctures. He is also on this list. Maybe he will come along and tell us how he does it, or go to his list on Yahoo and check the archives. I used to grow comfrey in a container. It grows very fast. My dogs wanted to eat it all the time so I had to pull it, it is not good for the liver in large continuous amounts. The dog was mad I took it out. She loved my herb garden. I have some small lipomas, doctor commented on them when I was 33, some 17 years ago. Nothing to worry about, don't know why they form, lots of people have them sort of comment. Mine have never gotten very large and are not in a place that bothers me. Garnet > I also shall be following your lipoma progress keenly, and probably will > follow you into this experimental field. > > I read on the net somewhere quite a while back where someone was treating an > animal's lipoma with, I think, Rife; anyway, an energy med device, and at > time of reading it had reduced somewhat. > > I have been treating a lipoma on the side of my chest with my Enar device > (www.enlightenedtherapies.com) when I remember. Now I check it, it does > seem sort of smaller and harder. Length now: From base of palm to middle > knuckle. index finger. Width: From one edge of palm to the other. Say > 130 x 85 mm. > > The Dr told me it is harmless; that if they are removed they grow back, that > they have a blood supply and that every now and then something goes wrong > with that, and that is when they get sore to the touch. Hope I have > remembered that correctly; it was several years ago and so I have pretty > much been resigned to putting up with that one, and another older but > smaller one that lives on the outer edge of my sit-upon area. They can feel > quite sore. > > I am thinking of adding DMSO/CS to some calendula ointment that already has > a bit of emu oil in it for overnight use, and trial it that way. I might > cover it with a bit of greaseproof paper and plastic wrap. Don't feel like > having the plastic wrap directly on the solvent! Or just tape the > greaseproof paper to the skin. > You talk about encapsulated and non encapsulated lipomas, Hanneke - what is > the difference, how can you tell? What size are they? That's an awfully > high number, surely. > > Does anyone know what the results of pathology on lipomas is? Has anyone > ever looked for, for instance, parasites or some such as a starting point? > Why on earth would the body suddenly start churning out fat cells in a > particular spot? Bites? Puncture wounds? Deposits like phosphates or > calcium? > > It never occurred to me to try DMSO on these, Hanneke, yet you have gone > straight in and done it! Good on ya, mate. > > Anybody like to speculate on the effect of DMSO on calcification of tissue? > Ah, how about adding it to comfrey ointment? Or, why don't I look for some > comfrey leaves and mash them up in DMSO? Hmmm. (Because comfrey ointment > has been on my shopping reminder for weeks and I haven't remembered once to > get it, even if the chemist here, small town, has any . . . No HFS, alas.) > > Rowena > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Garnet, Comfrey is one of my sore spots! Such a wonderful herb with so much bad research and hype out there! We will all have to come to our own conclusions about comfrey, but I will tell you a few of my own. And yes, I love comfrey/dmso tinctures! Comfrey has a long history of being fed to livestock in Europe. British racehorse yards would grow special acreage of comfrey to feed to their animals. I have written an earlier post on comfrey and will paste it below: My personal opinion is that the new found " truth " on the harmful effects of comfrey is just another whitewash by those authority figures who pick and choose what is the " bad " herb of the year. Comfrey is unique and has long been a very important herb in the herbal Materia Medica of most cultures. To say that it can be easily replaced by a safer plant is not really understanding the individual uniqueness of that plant. Most practitioners that find it easy to drop comfrey and relegate it to topical use, really have no experience with its clinical oral use. They read the warnings and personally judge that plant not worth the risk of using it a clinical setting. I wonder how many of the commonly utilized veterinary drugs that you now use can stand up to the scrutiny of which comfrey has gone through? Few, I dare say. Few, could get by with only " supposedly " 3 adverse cases levied against their use. Only three? And those three cases are open to major interpretations in my opinion. I would like to know how many cases of anaphylactic shock from common anti-biotics have killed horses. I dare say far more than three. All substances have risks particularly if that substance is not well understood or misused. Comfrey is no different. There are few substances that can match comfrey in its healing characteristics, both internally and externally. I gave a friend who has nerve damage in one leg a comfrey/honey paste to use on a foot ulcer that simply refused to heal earlier this summer. Modern medicine seemed unable to help this fellow out. Topical use of this paste healed his ulcer over quickly after long months of festering. The true danger is to be sure that any wound in which comfrey is used is free of infection, for it will heal so fast that an infection may be trapped inside. Comfrey has likewise been used for eons in all types of afflictions. It has been used as an anti-cancer remedy. I am always suspicious of claims that say of an herb that it can cause cancer when history has shown it was used to combat cancer. Long sustained use of many compounds can lead to liver damage. Comfrey should never be prescribed month after month.Comfrey leave should be used topically and the root should only be the part of choice when taken internally. How many scientific studies have differentiated these two parts? Scientists tends to clump all of a plant together as typical of that paticular plant. Not so in medicinal herbalogy. Each part is unique. Another pet peeve of mine is that many so called scientific studies never involve the actual root of the plant that is implicated. It almost always involves some type of atypical extract that researcher has made up for that testing. In the real world, we never dig up extracts. I can go on and on. I will post a superb piece written by Rosemary Gladstar in defense of comfrey. I will also say that comfrey has been used for years as a livestock forage with no ill effects. Comfrey is only one of several historically valuable herbs that have been earmarked for eradication by the FDA and other commissions. Chaparral, ephedra, and of late, Kava and cascara sagrada are all targeted to be taken off of the market. It is a sad day when all of these important herbs are allowed to be singly deleted from use by people who do not understand them or their use. again, my humble opinion only, doug Re: DMSO and lipomas > Doug, from the Equine Herbal List uses DMSO to make herbal tinctures. He > is also on this list. Maybe he will come along and tell us how he does > it, or go to his list on Yahoo and check the archives. > > I used to grow comfrey in a container. It grows very fast. My dogs > wanted to eat it all the time so I had to pull it, it is not good for > the liver in large continuous amounts. The dog was mad I took it out. > She loved my herb garden. > > I have some small lipomas, doctor commented on them when I was 33, some > 17 years ago. Nothing to worry about, don't know why they form, lots of > people have them sort of comment. Mine have never gotten very large and > are not in a place that bothers me. > > Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 It appears that there is no conclusive theories to why lipomas occur. It is a wasteland out there as far as good solid knowledge for these growths. I would not add DMSO to a comfrey ointment, but I would directly make a comfrey TINCTURE. This is simple to do. I would first identify the species you plan to use. Below is an excerpt from a post by Rene Burrough: " The problem is two fold: firstly there are two " comfreys " (there are many more. I have three in my garden ... --Henriette) and reference to them is often casual. Regular, common, medicinal comfrey is Symphytum officinale. Russian comfrey, the great compost heap maker, is Symphytum X uplandicum. Medical herbalists in the UK, from whose written reports I am extrapolating, point out that Russian comfrey was probably the herb used in the toxicity trials yet regular comfrey is also restricted or banned. " So try to make sure you have Symphytum officinale and use the leave. Making a tincture is simple. Just take about 4-8 ozs. of the green comfrey leave. Place in a kitchen food processor, chop. Then place the comfrey chop in a mason jar and just cover with as strong of DMSO as you can get. You may have to add a bit more after a few days, keep the plant material covered with DMSO. Moisture in the green plant will somewhat dilute the DMSO which is why one needs high concentration DMSO. You will need to dilute the " mother' " Comfrey/DMSO tincture further before use. An acceptable dilution would be around 50-70% to avoid dehydration. Place this mason jar of comfrey/DMSO macerate in a dark warm place for 2-4 weeks. Shake every day. After that time, filter the solution the best you can separating plant material from the DMSO solvent. What you have is the final tincture which you should bottle in a dark glassed container. I like to use the flip-top European style beer bottles as the storage bottle and pour as needed into a administration jar. If I am reading you correctly and you are asking for something that will break down calcification, you might look into joe pye weed, aka gravel root. Dr. swears that it will break down calcifications in unwanted places. He seems to have a lot of first hand clinical experience to prove this. It will also stimulate bone put-down in places where it is needed as well. It seems to be a " smart-thinking " herb in this regard. I would simply make a tincture similar to how I told you to make a comfrey one. It ain't rocket science, (:>) doug Re: DMSO and lipomas > I also shall be following your lipoma progress keenly, and probably will > follow you into this experimental field. > > I read on the net somewhere quite a while back where someone was treating an > animal's lipoma with, I think, Rife; anyway, an energy med device, and at > time of reading it had reduced somewhat. > > I have been treating a lipoma on the side of my chest with my Enar device > (www.enlightenedtherapies.com) when I remember. Now I check it, it does > seem sort of smaller and harder. Length now: From base of palm to middle > knuckle. index finger. Width: From one edge of palm to the other. Say > 130 x 85 mm. > > The Dr told me it is harmless; that if they are removed they grow back, that > they have a blood supply and that every now and then something goes wrong > with that, and that is when they get sore to the touch. Hope I have > remembered that correctly; it was several years ago and so I have pretty > much been resigned to putting up with that one, and another older but > smaller one that lives on the outer edge of my sit-upon area. They can feel > quite sore. > > I am thinking of adding DMSO/CS to some calendula ointment that already has > a bit of emu oil in it for overnight use, and trial it that way. I might > cover it with a bit of greaseproof paper and plastic wrap. Don't feel like > having the plastic wrap directly on the solvent! Or just tape the > greaseproof paper to the skin. > You talk about encapsulated and non encapsulated lipomas, Hanneke - what is > the difference, how can you tell? What size are they? That's an awfully > high number, surely. > > Does anyone know what the results of pathology on lipomas is? Has anyone > ever looked for, for instance, parasites or some such as a starting point? > Why on earth would the body suddenly start churning out fat cells in a > particular spot? Bites? Puncture wounds? Deposits like phosphates or > calcium? > > It never occurred to me to try DMSO on these, Hanneke, yet you have gone > straight in and done it! Good on ya, mate. > > Anybody like to speculate on the effect of DMSO on calcification of tissue? > Ah, how about adding it to comfrey ointment? Or, why don't I look for some > comfrey leaves and mash them up in DMSO? Hmmm. (Because comfrey ointment > has been on my shopping reminder for weeks and I haven't remembered once to > get it, even if the chemist here, small town, has any . . . No HFS, alas.) > > Rowena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi Garnet, Many people with the multiple lipomas have started with only 1 or 2 at an early age, say in their teens. Comments by doctors are usually along the lines as you have received. Most likely it is a valid comment in many cases when there are only a few, and that they are nothing to worry about, especially if no changes occur over the years. I guess I would have forgotten about mine too had nothing changed. The tumours are beginning to become an issue when they start to grow, multiply and cause disfiguration and/or become rather painful. The change from having only a few smaller painless lipomas followed by years of peace and quiet, to an almost explosive development with formation of new ones and growth of existing ones, occurs 'out of the blue'. The conditions identified are Dercum's Disease, Madelungs type I or type II or MFL (Multiple Familial Lipomas). However, it is very difficult indeed to find a doctor who can give a diagnosis. A lot of doctors have heard about lipomas but never seen a person afflicted with them, there are few doctors who know a little more and are able to diagnose but that's where it stops really. No known treatments, no existing protocols, no cause, not much really is known at all. Many in the support groups (Dercums_Disease and LipomaSupport ) are on painkillers, experimenting with different ones because what works for one doesn't help some one else. The side effects of these drugs are horrific (needless to say, these drugs are not in my books, even if they paid me ...lol). Many have lipomas cut out - which is an art in itself as imprecise removal will result in regrowth, often bigger than the ones removed. Unfortunately, there are no indications whatsoever that the members of the groups are interested in tackling these nasties with means outside mainstream medicine. A suggestion to do a group experiment following the Budwig protocol was encountered with quotes from Quackbusters and snake oil... not a friendly environment at all. For most multiple lipomas 'owners', the at times excruciating pain has a disabling effect on their lives but most of us are still facing doctors who send us home with the same dismissive message: nothing to worry about, or try this or that painkiller (that is, if they don't dismiss the fact that it hurts. Lipomas are said to be painless...yea right). Dr. Tomlinson, in UK, is doing genetic research on blood samples sent to him by people from all over the world. Very much the type of research that may result in a protocol as to how to treat and perhaps even prevent it in the long run but of no consequence to the current group. One gutsy lady in Illinois was in so much distress of the lipomas and accompanying pain she subjected herself to experimental chemo therapy. Another lady, in the Melbourne area, had a full body liposuction, a procedure often advised against as it has not shown to relieve the condition but caused other serious health issues in return. I'd rather stick to experimenting with DMSO. The pain I have pretty much under control with taking MSM regularly. Previous attempts to work towards a change have not given the results I was looking for: rebounding regularly, daily walks 10 km, working out in the gym, vegetarian diet/raw diet for years since mid 80's, last 2 years Budwig protocol with now occasionally organic red meat, no alcohol, no dairy (have been dairy intolerant for many years), and no sugar and very few grains. As to an update on DMSO applications: I've given it a rest since Sunday Morning, it's still flattened out but surface skin has the appearance of having been heavily hit. In another couple of days I will continue with this big one. Am applying it to a small cluster of 3 about 2 inches from my left wrist, don't see any changes, just itches like you wouldn't believe it. Hanneke Garnet wrote:I have some small lipomas, doctor commented on them when I was 33, some17 years ago. Nothing to worry about, don't know why they form, lots ofpeople have them sort of comment. Mine have never gotten very large andare not in a place that bothers me. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 12/06/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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