RE: Re: immunology of whipples disease

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I think many systems are affected when chronically infected , our metabolic rate included , and of course we have the obesity bug...but the fat generated by inappropriate gut flora [if it does] seems to be confined within the intestine .it's not flab , I can tighten my stomach muscles enough to withstand a good punch, it's solid ..My drinking pals sarcastically say I must have over trained ,too many muscles causing the paunch ...Don't know if you relate to that ,been punched there lately?

I don't think it necessarily follows that if Af's work weight loss is to be expected ..

I think the reservoir of our infection is in the gut I also think that a fugal infection begets a bacterial infection and visa versa.The amount of microbes there are measured in kilo's ..So it's not surprising that fairly drastic measures are needed to eradicate gut flora ,normal prescribed amounts of antibiotics given for general infections will not totally remove all gut flora....Then there's the question of repopulating with good flora ..See treatment section my site.

I've placed more information on normal flora on my site ..Look in "Normal Flora" and "autism is an infectious disease" and click Bacteroides Fragilis to access the amazing & wonderfully detailed research on gut flora and our immune system ..

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Penny HouleSent: 08 July 2006 14:37infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: newish Raoult paper on immunology of whipples disease

Hmmm, I feel like the horse with the systemic inflammation. So Barb, what is the preferred abx in Australia? And what's considered low dose in a horse?

, I think many pwc experience increased fat around the middle. We've heard lots of explanations for it. Since so many pwc are women, it's sometimes theorized that the fat is protection for the reproductive organs.

A friend of mine here, whose state of health clearly seems tied to her fungal load as well as her bacterial load, experiences weight & appetite fluctuations depending on whether her amx are working or not. She'd look fairly thin to you but she complained recently of not changing her diet and suddenly putting on pads of fat above her buttocks and hips to the point where her clothes don't fit right. Knowing her as well as I do, I can see this being related to her fun gal problems (which for the most part seem to appear as pelvic/gut related symptoms).

I've definitely put on weight around the middle as my illness has progressed. As you know, I don't have overt fungal symptoms, and haven't tested positive for any fungi, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. I've been taking lamisil for a couple of months now, along with the abx, and am finally starting to do well again after the sinus surgery knocked me on my butt. Whether it's the abx, the lamisil or the combination, I don't know. But I'm not planning to stop either.

Doesn't it seem that if the antifungals work, a weight loss would be part of the improved health package?

penny

Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote:

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Dear

Times like this a zipper on the gut would be advantageous.

Is the fat deposition subcutaneus

Is it mesenteric

or is it fatty infiltration of the organs (NASH, non-alcoholic steatohepatitis)?

In my case I have a lifelong history of upper abdominal fat. I,ve always been well covered but even after losing a good deal of sub-cutaneus fat, I still have an enlarged upper abdomen.

Never had abdominal surgery but often tempted to ask for a laparoscopic investigation just to have a sticky-beak.

Definitely have NASH ( confirmed by imaging techniques but not by biopsy which I refused as the Duck had no idea of the correlation of hepatomegaly with CFS) Duck was an oncologist so if it wasn't cancer, it didn't exist.

also have repeated splenomegaly

Just been to an ENT specialist, bloody surgeon so if there was no surgical solution, then there was no problem. BASTARDS !!!

This is getting very interesting in view of the recent stuff on epigenetics where a second and third generation effect of starvation (or food deprivatiob at critical trimes) is showing up as a predisposition to diabetes. Abnormal fat deposition is also linked to insulin resistance and ultimately diabetes.

Regards

Windsor

RE: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

I think many systems are affected when chronically infected , our metabolic rate included , and of course we have the obesity bug...but the fat generated by inappropriate gut flora [if it does] seems to be confined within the intestine .it's not flab , I can tighten my stomach muscles enough to withstand a good punch, it's solid ..My drinking pals sarcastically say I must have over trained ,too many muscles causing the paunch ...Don't know if you relate to that ,been punched there lately?

I don't think it necessarily follows that if Af's work weight loss is to be expected ..

I think the reservoir of our infection is in the gut I also think that a fugal infection begets a bacterial infection and visa versa.The amount of microbes there are measured in kilo's ..So it's not surprising that fairly drastic measures are needed to eradicate gut flora ,normal prescribed amounts of antibiotics given for general infections will not totally remove all gut flora....Then there's the question of repopulating with good flora ..See treatment section my site.

I've placed more information on normal flora on my site ..Look in "Normal Flora" and "autism is an infectious disease" and click Bacteroides Fragilis to access the amazing & wonderfully detailed research on gut flora and our immune system ..

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Penny HouleSent: 08 July 2006 14:37infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: newish Raoult paper on immunology of whipples disease

Hmmm, I feel like the horse with the systemic inflammation. So Barb, what is the preferred abx in Australia? And what's considered low dose in a horse?

, I think many pwc experience increased fat around the middle. We've heard lots of explanations for it. Since so many pwc are women, it's sometimes theorized that the fat is protection for the reproductive organs.

A friend of mine here, whose state of health clearly seems tied to her fungal load as well as her bacterial load, experiences weight & appetite fluctuations depending on whether her amx are working or not. She'd look fairly thin to you but she complained recently of not changing her diet and suddenly putting on pads of fat above her buttocks and hips to the point where her clothes don't fit right. Knowing her as well as I do, I can see this being related to her fun gal problems (which for the most part seem to appear as pelvic/gut related symptoms).

I've definitely put on weight around the middle as my illness has progressed. As you know, I don't have overt fungal symptoms, and haven't tested positive for any fungi, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. I've been taking lamisil for a couple of months now, along with the abx, and am finally starting to do well again after the sinus surgery knocked me on my butt. Whether it's the abx, the lamisil or the combination, I don't know. But I'm not planning to stop either.

Doesn't it seem that if the antifungals work, a weight loss would be part of the improved health package?

penny

Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote:

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Hello , NASH & mesenteric , i knew there must be a name....I think the link is very strong with poor gut flora but getting a profile is a uphill task . I rang Parascope ,reputedly the best lab in the uk for stool testing ..Spirochetes you say , no we don't test for those ..So I don't know , maybe I will try the Vets labs .,pretend i'm a dog . They test for any pathogen for about £20 quid a pop.....

I have just met a consultant for the first time who is monitoring my diabetic condition ..Told him of my plight ,buying drugs from abroad the full SP .He said if I was happy doing that then he was happy.. Good eh .

My gut is central to my illness , eating, filling my stomach eases symptoms considerably , taking none systemic Nystatin eases symptoms considerably .Would you or anyone relate to this ...

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of WindsorSent: 10 July 2006 00:37infections Subject: Re: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

Dear

Times like this a zipper on the gut would be advantageous.

Is the fat deposition subcutaneus

Is it mesenteric

or is it fatty infiltration of the organs (NASH, non-alcoholic steatohepatitis)?

In my case I have a lifelong history of upper abdominal fat. I,ve always been well covered but even after losing a good deal of sub-cutaneus fat, I still have an enlarged upper abdomen.

Never had abdominal surgery but often tempted to ask for a laparoscopic investigation just to have a sticky-beak.

Definitely have NASH ( confirmed by imaging techniques but not by biopsy which I refused as the Duck had no idea of the correlation of hepatomegaly with CFS) Duck was an oncologist so if it wasn't cancer, it didn't exist.

also have repeated splenomegaly

Just been to an ENT specialist, bloody surgeon so if there was no surgical solution, then there was no problem. BASTARDS !!!

This is getting very interesting in view of the recent stuff on epigenetics where a second and third generation effect of starvation (or food deprivatiob at critical trimes) is showing up as a predisposition to diabetes. Abnormal fat deposition is also linked to insulin resistance and ultimately diabetes.

Regards

Windsor

RE: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

I think many systems are affected when chronically infected , our metabolic rate included , and of course we have the obesity bug...but the fat generated by inappropriate gut flora [if it does] seems to be confined within the intestine .it's not flab , I can tighten my stomach muscles enough to withstand a good punch, it's solid ..My drinking pals sarcastically say I must have over trained ,too many muscles causing the paunch ...Don't know if you relate to that ,been punched there lately?

I don't think it necessarily follows that if Af's work weight loss is to be expected ..

I think the reservoir of our infection is in the gut I also think that a fugal infection begets a bacterial infection and visa versa.The amount of microbes there are measured in kilo's ..So it's not surprising that fairly drastic measures are needed to eradicate gut flora ,normal prescribed amounts of antibiotics given for general infections will not totally remove all gut flora....Then there's the question of repopulating with good flora ..See treatment section my site.

I've placed more information on normal flora on my site ..Look in "Normal Flora" and "autism is an infectious disease" and click Bacteroides Fragilis to access the amazing & wonderfully detailed research on gut flora and our immune system ..

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Penny HouleSent: 08 July 2006 14:37infections Subject: RE: [infections] Re: newish Raoult paper on immunology of whipples disease

Hmmm, I feel like the horse with the systemic inflammation. So Barb, what is the preferred abx in Australia? And what's considered low dose in a horse?

, I think many pwc experience increased fat around the middle. We've heard lots of explanations for it. Since so many pwc are women, it's sometimes theorized that the fat is protection for the reproductive organs.

A friend of mine here, whose state of health clearly seems tied to her fungal load as well as her bacterial load, experiences weight & appetite fluctuations depending on whether her amx are working or not. She'd look fairly thin to you but she complained recently of not changing her diet and suddenly putting on pads of fat above her buttocks and hips to the point where her clothes don't fit right. Knowing her as well as I do, I can see this being related to her fun gal problems (which for the most part seem to appear as pelvic/gut related symptoms).

I've definitely put on weight around the middle as my illness has progressed. As you know, I don't have overt fungal symptoms, and haven't tested positive for any fungi, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. I've been taking lamisil for a couple of months now, along with the abx, and am finally starting to do well again after the sinus surgery knocked me on my butt. Whether it's the abx, the lamisil or the combination, I don't know. But I'm not planning to stop either.

Doesn't it seem that if the antifungals work, a weight loss would be part of the improved health package?

penny

Jaep <Jaep@...> wrote:

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Wasn't thinking of blood Barb, What I'm looking for is direct identification , microscope or other ,staining etc; I have a biopsy sample that was took to test for a fungal infection .No fungi were found , but the inflammed area from where the tissue sample was taken still responds to a/F creams .. That together with my reaction to oral none systemic A'F's really is the basis of my belief that AF's are effective against nano {CWD} bacteria .. Seems reasonable to me ...So who do you think could recognise CWD bac from a swab any leads..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 10 July 2006 20:26infections Subject: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

If you send whole blood you can't fake it...A Human RBC is 7 microns in diameter- horse RBC diameter is much larger.. not sure what a dogs is..Barb> > > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006>

[Guest guest]

Dear

You may have to use a Ouija board but Roy Rife probably would have ideas. :-)

Don't know if Gaston Naessens is still going but he was on the same path before his persecution.

Also Reich and Reichenbach

Regards

Windsor

RE: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

Wasn't thinking of blood Barb, What I'm looking for is direct identification , microscope or other ,staining etc; I have a biopsy sample that was took to test for a fungal infection .No fungi were found , but the inflammed area from where the tissue sample was taken still responds to a/F creams .. That together with my reaction to oral none systemic A'F's really is the basis of my belief that AF's are effective against nano {CWD} bacteria .. Seems reasonable to me ...So who do you think could recognise CWD bac from a swab any leads..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 10 July 2006 20:26infections Subject: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

If you send whole blood you can't fake it...A Human RBC is 7 microns in diameter- horse RBC diameter is much larger.. not sure what a dogs is..Barb> > > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006>

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Thanks , i'll look those up ,,I have read Rife and had a "Zapper" x Rife machine made, tried it for six months ..It did have an effect but not enough to get me excited ..I stopped when I found my local hospital loaned the same machine to control pain ..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of WindsorSent: 11 July 2006 01:25infections Subject: Re: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

Dear

You may have to use a Ouija board but Roy Rife probably would have ideas. :-)

Don't know if Gaston Naessens is still going but he was on the same path before his persecution.

Also Reich and Reichenbach

Regards

Windsor

RE: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

Wasn't thinking of blood Barb, What I'm looking for is direct identification , microscope or other ,staining etc; I have a biopsy sample that was took to test for a fungal infection .No fungi were found , but the inflammed area from where the tissue sample was taken still responds to a/F creams .. That together with my reaction to oral none systemic A'F's really is the basis of my belief that AF's are effective against nano {CWD} bacteria .. Seems reasonable to me ...So who do you think could recognise CWD bac from a swab any leads..

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Barb PeckSent: 10 July 2006 20:26infections Subject: [infections] Re: immunology of whipples disease

If you send whole blood you can't fake it...A Human RBC is 7 microns in diameter- horse RBC diameter is much larger.. not sure what a dogs is..Barb> > > > > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006>