Re: Infection ..links with mental illness & metal toxicity

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Why don't you run this stuff past 90 % of the forums and see if you

can get yourself thrownm off. It got me sent packing and now years

later it's main stream acceptable.......

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> This is part of a discussion a couple of days back from another

forum on

> the link between infection and mental illness, metal toxicity I

thought I

> would repost it here.

> The person I'm exchanging mail with, has a medical background..By

> coincidence he lives about five miles from me , and no we've never

met up …

> I first encountered him some two years ago , both he & his daughter

were

> self treating a yeast infection ..

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> Re: Is my depression candida

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> From: UK

> Date: 7/17/2006

> Time: 1:07:22 PM

> Remote Name: 88.105.91.254

> Comments

> Almost certainly your depression is linked to infection ...Yeast is

the

> catalyst for bacterial infections ,the resultant yeast dominant gut

> dysbiosis is the reservoir for systemic infections This latest

research

> tells the story ...

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3540627/site/newsweek/

> Diseases of the Mind

> Bacteria, viruses and parasites may cause mental illnesses like

depression

> and perhaps even autism and anorexia

> By Janet Ginsburg

> Newsweek International

> Dec. 1 issue - Olga Skipko has had the good fortune to live most of

her

> adult life in the Polish village of Gruszki, in the heart of the

Puszcza

> Bialowieska, one of Europe's most beautiful forests and home to

wolves,

> lynxes and the endangered European bison. Unfortunately, the forest

is also

> a breeding ground for disease-carrying ticks. Skipko, 49, thinks

she was

> bitten about 10 years ago, when she began having the classic

symptoms of

> Lyme borreliosis, a tickborne nervous-system disease: headaches and

aching

> joints. She didn't get treatment until 1998. " I was treated with

antibiotics

> and felt a bit better, " she says.

> That was only the beginning of her troubles. A few years later, she

began to

> forget things and her speaking grew labored. It got so bad that she

had to

> quit her job in a nursery forest and check herself in to a

psychiatric

> clinic. " I hope they will help me, " she says. " I promised my

children that

> when I come back home, I will be able to do my favorite crosswords

again. "

> Doctors ran a battery of tests and concluded that her mental

problems were

> the advanced stage of the Lyme disease she had contracted years ago.

> Scientists have long known that some diseases can cause behavioral

problems.

> When penicillin was first used to treat syphilis, thousands of cured

> schizophrenics were released from mental asylums. Now, however,

scientists

> have evidence that infections may play a far bigger role in mental

illness

> than previously thought. They've linked cases of obsessive-

compulsive

> disorder, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia to a variety of

infectious

> agents, and they're investigating autism, Tourette's and anorexia

as well.

> They're beginning to suspect that bad bugs may cause a great many

other

> mental disorders, too. " The irony is that people talked about

syphilis as

> the 'great imitator', " says University of Louisville biologist

Ewald,

> " but it may be the 'great illustrator'-a model for understanding

the causes

> of chronic diseases. "

> Mental illnesses constitute a large and growing portion of the

world's

> health problems. According to the World Health Organization,

depression is

> one of the most debilitating of diseases, on a par with paraplegia.

> Psychiatric illnesses make up more than 10 percent of the

world's " disease

> burden " (a measure of how debilitating a disease is), and are

expected to

> increase to 15 percent by 2020. Much of this may be the work of

viruses,

> bacteria and parasites. Psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, of the

Stanley

> Medical Research Institute in land, has found from studying

historical

> asylum records that hot spots-higher-than-normal incidences-of

mental

> illness can shift, much like infectious-disease outbreaks, which

lends

> credence to the notion that infectious agents play a big

role. " Mental

> disorders are the major chronic recurrent disorders of youth in all

> developed countries, " says Harvard policy expert Kessler,

who directs

> the WHO's mental-health surveys.

> Perhaps the most well known disease that's been linked to mental

disorders

> is Lyme disease, which is caused by the Borrelia burgdorferi germ.

First

> identified in the mid-1970s among children near Lyme, Connecticut,

the

> disease has long been known to cause nervous-system problems and

achy joints

> if left untreated. Now scientists are finding that Lyme disease can

also

> trigger a whole smorgasbord of psychiatric symptoms, including

depression.

> One New York man (we'll call him Joe) found out firsthand how

debilitating

> the disease can be. When he began having bouts of major depression

back in

> 1992, he had forgotten all about the tick bite he had gotten four

years

> earlier. He spent two years in a blur of antipsychotic drugs, mental

> institutions, jails and suicide attempts. On a hunch, a doctor at a

> psychiatric hospital in New Jersey had Joe tested for Lyme disease.

After an

> intensive course of antibiotics, Joe's improvement was dramatic and

> immediate. " I started to have this fog lift, " he recalls. Still, he

will

> probably have to be on psychotropic drugs for the rest of his life.

> Some psychiatrists fret that there may be thousands of people

suffering from

> Lyme-induced depression without knowing why. Not only is Lyme

disease tricky

> to diagnose-not everybody gets the circular rash, and lab tests

still aren't

> wholly reliable-it can take a decade or more for mental disorders

to set in.

> The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says that nine out of 10 cases

of Lyme

> diseases remain unreported. There are 15 species of borellias-

making them

> the most common tickborne disease-producing bacteria in the world.

> For its part, the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which can be found in

> undercooked meat and cat feces, can lead to full-blown psychotic

episodes.

> Some studies suggest that the parasite stimulates the production of

a

> chemical similar to LSD, producing hallucinations and psychosis.

Even when

> the parasite lies dormant in muscle and brain tissue, it can affect

> attention span and reaction time in otherwise healthy people.

Researchers at

> University in Prague have discovered that people who test

positive

> have slightly slower-than-average reaction times and-possibly as a

> result-are almost three times as likely to have car accidents.

That's a

> disturbing prospect, considering that the disease is so widespread:

billions

> of people are thought to be infected.

> Even a simple sore throat can lead to psychiatric problems. Few

children

> avoid coming down with a streptococcus infection, also known as

strep.

> Scientists now think that one in 1,000 strep sufferers also develops

> abrupt-onset obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in a matter of

weeks. Strep

> bacteria trigger OCD by igniting an overzealous response from the

immune

> system, which attacks certain types of brain cells, causing

inflammation.

> Symptoms generally die down after a few months but can flare up

again,

> especially if there's another bout of strep, says Swedo, a

> childhood-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health. The

most

> effective treatment, still experimental, is to filter out the

misbehaving

> antibodies from the blood. Best is to treat strep early on.

> The specter of a depression germ or contagious obsessive-compulsive

disorder

> is unnerving, but it also opens up many more treatment options-

antibiotics,

> vaccines, checking for ticks. Geneticists believe that diseases may

trigger

> the onset of inherited mental illnesses by activating key genes.

Avoiding

> and treating infection may be just as important as the genes you

inherit,

> and a whole lot easier to do something about.

> ----------------------------------------------------------

> With Joanna Kowalska In Warsaw

> © 2006 Newsweek, Inc.

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> From: Steve

> Date: 7/19/2006

> Time: 1:32:06 AM

> Remote Name: 217.207.120.66

> Comments

> At the very basic level, our body is all about chemistry. Digestion,

> respiration, central and peripheral nervous system and the

endocrine system

> all function based on chemistry. In order to function properly, the

body

> requires aa huge variety of molecules and trace elements. With the

exception

> of Oxygen, all other chemicals are provided by the food that we

eat. Our

> digestive system is responsible for converting that food into forms

the body

> can utilize, while ridding the body of metabolic waste products and

harmful

> toxins.

> The digestive system is based on a series of chemical compounds and

enzymes

> (proteins) that break down the chemical bonds in food so that the

more basic

> building blocks of carbohydrates, fats, amino acids, vitamins and

minerals

> can be absorbed and utilized by our metabolism to provide energy,

build new

> proteins, repair cells etc. Certain vitamins and trace elements

present in

> food cannot be absorbed directly and need to be converted into

other forms

> before they can pass through the intestinal walls. This conversion

is most

> commonly carried out by bacteria in the gut. The various

bacteria's' own

> metabolism acts on the vitamins and minerals, appending organic

molecules

> which changes the solubility of the compounds and allows them to

pass

> through the intestine and into the blood stream. These symbiotic

bacteria

> have a further function of protecting the intestine from pathogenic

bacteria

> and yeast

> When a pathological state exists, this finely balanced symbiosis

may be

> damaged and cease to function normally. Several different states in

the gut

> may exist. Symbiotic bacteria may be damaged, causing the

malabsorbtion of

> critical vitamins and minerals. If the damage is extensive and/or

long

> lasting, pathogenic yeast and gram-negative bacilli will begin to

fill the

> vacuum left by the healthy bacteria. The metabolism of these

pathogens is

> different and foods are no longer broken down in the same way.

Proteins that

> previously would be broken down to their constituent amino acids

are only

> partially digested, leaving long chains of amino acids called

peptides. Our

> entire body is built from proteins, which are themselves built from

chains

> of peptides. Certain peptides are extremely bioactive i.e they

interact

> strongly with other proteins in the body. Another side effects of

dysbiosis

> (incorrect gut microorganisms) is that the gut becomes leaky i.e it

passes

> larger molecules than would normally be the case. Thus peptides,

which

> should normally be broken down to amino acids, leave the gut and

enter the

> blood stream intact, where they are delivered to other organs.

Casein and

> Gluten, a protein and mixture of proteins common in many foods

break down to

> form very potent opio-peptides when acted on by certain pathogenic

bacteria.

> As the name suggests, these peptides have a narcotic action and act

on

> opiate receptors in the brain, triggering major changes in brain

function.

> These are only 2 examples and very little work has been done on

identifying

> the structure and function of peptides created by dysbiosis.

> The above example is a nice illustration of how the presence of gut

> dysbiosis can directly effect brain function. Given that depression

has its

> roots in biochemistry, its not too wildly imaginative to suppose

that your

> problems are indeed related to gut dysbiosis.

> Good explanation , appreciate it ..In simple terms metabolic

pathways are

> decommissioned by pathogenic flora ..The long held belief that

spillage if

> you like, from mercury in amalgam teeth fillings is the cause of

accumulated

> mercury in the body is completely wrong It's the bodies inability to

> metabolise and excrete mercury because of inappropriate gut

flora ..

> Detoxification is hugely impacted by dysbiosis.

> Detoxification is, to a large extent carried out by the Liver. Toxic

> compounds are first oxidized or hydroxylated (Stage I), while Stage

II

> reactions prepare the Stage I metabolites for biliary excretion by

> covalently conjugating them with highly polar ligands like

glucuronic acid

> or glutathione. These detoxification reactions require vitamin and

trace

> elemental co-factors to provide electrons for chemical bonding. In

cases of

> Dysbiosis, these co-factors may be missing, due to malabsorbtion in

the

> intestine. In addition, the pathogenic bacteria in the gut may

metabolize

> the conjugated toxins, changing their form and allowing them to be

> reabsorbed into the blood stream.

> Mercury is usually excreted via the gut in its divalent elemental

form. In

> Dysbiosis it is thought that certain pathogenic bacteria have the

ability to

> methylate the metallic Mercury to its organic form, which would be

> reabsorbed into the blood stream and carried to target organs like

the

> kidneys and brain.

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> Very well explained, What a pity there is almost no research on

this endemic

> condition ...It's true to say that with dysbiosis it has a knock on

effect

> ..A cascade of symptoms ensue ,,the metabolites of yeast are

incredibly

> toxic, add those to the mix and the situation becomes more complex.

One such

> complication is, those with poor gut flora an reduced ability to

metabolise

> metals. ..Well at least in this mouse model ...If this is true with

us it

> answers the question of the inability of Autistic children and many

yeast

> victims to metabolise metals efficiently ..

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> Hi , Bear in mind that the Mercury has to come from somewhere.

No

> exposure.... nothing to excrete. Dysbiosis impairs the

detoxification

> mechanism but there still needs to be a source of Mercury for there

to be a

> problem.

> Dental amalgam is a proven source of mercury toxicity. Dysbiosis

compounds

> the problem by impairing the detoxification system

> BTW, Mercury is strongly anti-microbial so there's even the

possibility that

> excreting high levels of Mercury may cause dysbiosis

> Steve, Yes , but the point I'm making is that we all encounter

> mercury/metals from the environment ,be it from amalgams or

pesticides or

> whatever ..In the normal course of events we deal with the amount we

> encounter ..Now take away the metabolic pathway and the amounts of

metals

> accumulate ..How we deal with metals [as you point out] is like a

biological

> symphony genes express in sequence Genes control enzyme production.

The more

> genes are activated, the higher the production capacity of certain

enzymes

> Food can trigger gene activation [expression] and of course gut

flora so the

> appropriate gut flora is vitally important.

> Correct. However, the presence of dental amalgams may actually cause

> dysbiosis in the first place so dental amalgams may well act as 'a'

trigger

> into a downward spiral of illness.

> The long held belief that spillage from mercury in amalgam teeth

fillings is

> the cause of accumulated mercury in the body is probably correct,

in that

> Mercury has the ability to damage the gut flora and potentially

trigger the

> inability to metabolise and excrete mercury.

> Your point that anything else that damages the gut flora can

trigger mercury

> accumulation is also in all likelihood correct. In summary, dental

amalgams

> may trigger the illness or simply act a source of Mercury when

something

> else like antibiotics damages the gut flora and sets off the

downward spiral

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> It's certainly a possibility ,but it's clear that the metal

toxicity that

> Autistic children [there are not many autistic adults] experience

stems from

> inappropriate gut flora. .They haven't been around long enough to

have

> dental amalgams..

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