Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Herxing is a popular "catch-all" right now. Ask her if someone could die from magnesium since herxes can kill. If she says yes to that, and can document it, then maybe you're onto something. pennyjellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly I don't even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to post. All I know is the experience myself and others have had regarding Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, and just as something for you more scientific minded to "think" about.There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely know her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the book over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and back down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium research as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. She has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says.So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it was "possible" to herx on Mag....and "yes" she did think it was possible, but she didn't really say why. . Quote
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Magnesium is a macro mineral, and needed by the body. If deficient, then there will be symptoms, rectifying that deficiency will alleviate symptoms. It's a suppportive therapy in many disease states and can improve many functions when a deficiency is fixed. Jelly - Even if a supportive therapy strenghtens the immune system, and the immune system is better able to fight pathogens- the immune system will never kill so many pathogens so fast that a herx reation is the result. I don't know how many ways I can say, that you are using the term Herx incorrectly. Sorry, the abstracts you added on the magnesium thread do not have anything to do with a fast kill of a high load of immune stimulating pathogens, which would push the immune system into a herxheimer reaction. Barb > > This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly I don't > even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to post. > All I know is the experience myself and others have had regarding > Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, and > just as something for you more scientific minded to " think " about. > > There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely know > her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the book > over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and back > down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium research > as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. She > has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says. > > So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it was " possible " > to herx on Mag....and " yes " she did think it was possible, but she > didn't really say why. > > So I asked her if she had scientific reason for thinking that, and > boy did she ever have reasons and the majority seems to be > documented. So here is her reply, cut and pasted and you can take a > look if your are interested. > ================================================================ > > Documented...which I have done numerous times...Mg INactivates HMG > CoA reductase, stopping cholesterol (excess) production in the > liver. We KNOW...also documented...that Bb is following > the " cholesterol pathway " . It is stimulating the liver to pump out > excess cholesterol. > > We KNOW Bb also follows the glycolysis pathway because Bb is " PFK > dependent " ...this is the rate limiting enzyme for glycolysis. > Insulin SPIKES activate this. > > Mg INactivates PFK...as do some other things. > > We also KNOW...for fact...that our OWN antibodies specifically > designed to fight Bb are damaged (fab portion) and restoring Mg > levels, restored the " health " of our own antibodies. > > Documentation: > > (1) The genetic analysis of Bb indicates it has a 60 kDa > pyrophosphate dependent PFK (phosphofructokinase) enzyme. > > PMID: 12015149 (www.pubmed.com) > > > (2) The enzyme, PFK, is " rate limiting " for glycolysis (using > glycogen, not oxygen, to supply energy). And we know Bb is > anaerobic – does not need oxygen. It wants/needs sugar. > > PMID: 10689623 (www.pubmed.com) > > PMID: 1832860 (www.pubmed.com) > > > (3) PFK is INhibited by Mg-ATP (et al). (Most ATP is bound to Mg.). > Insulin ACTIVATES it. > > http://www.geocities.com/doctor_uae/carbohydrates.htm > > http://www.mcw.edu/student/mcwsa/files/biochem22.doc > > http://www.eimb.relarn.ru/eimb/3nature.htm > > www.apjohncancerinstitute.org/newsletter-old2.htm > > http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/newsletter/lclnewsvol03-no04-pg2.html > > (4) Bb follows the cholesterol/ mevalonate / isoprenoid pathway. It > has another enzyme: acetyl-CoA C-acetyltransferase. Cholesterol is > needed to form the myelin sheath, the insulation around our nerves. > In MS, this sheath is damaged. > (Rohmer 1999; Kim et al. 2000; Wilding et al. 2000a, . or > > http://proteinscience.org/cgi/content/full/13/3/687 > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > gi1652965.html > > http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/cholesterol.html > > http://adams.mgh.harvard.edu/Reeves/workingresearch2.htm > > (5) Mg (and statin drugs) INactivate the enzyme 5-hydroxy-3- > methylglutaryl-coenzyme A reductase (HMG-CoA reductase) which then > reduces mevalonate, the first step in the cholesterol pathway. > > http://www.lef.org/whatshot/2004_11.htm > > Neurol India 2003;51:211-214 > The above suggests that intracellular Mg levels play a critical role > in regaining control of the glycolysis and cholesterol pathways > which are impacted by this pathogen. > > (6) Cancer doctors at a Romanian hospital found a very " significant " > drop in Mg levels early on in 2 lyme patients. By restoring their > magnesium levels, they were cured of lyme disease. Please note: this > was caught early. > > http://www.coldcure.com/html/2003-mag-abstracts.pdf > > (28) Bb locks onto a heparin receptor. It may be using fibrin to > cloak itself and thus avoid detection/destruction. Magnesium may > reduce insoluble fibrin. > > http://www-heparin.rpi.edu/papers/PDFfiles_2000_present/CarbBased% > 20Drug%20Discovery.pdf > > http://64.233.167.104/search? > q=cache:Ay2HJ8b6iEQJ:medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/%3Frequest% > 3Dread-response%26doi% > 3D10.1371/journal.pmed.0020098+Magnesium+may+reduce+insoluble+ > fibrin+levels+by+displacing+calcium+in+the+coagulation+process & hl=en > > (29) Bb needs CHOLINE! It is taking this nutrient and others from us. > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > gi1652965.html > > http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/150/2/391 > > (30) Bb contains a PKC inhibitor. This is a protein kinase C > inhibitor. Protein kinase C inhibitors compete with Mg-ATP. PKC > inhibitors cause cell death. When the body is exposed to this > inhibitor, Mg is dumped quickly. > > PMID: 8978084 > > http://www.biochemj.org/bj/351/0095/3510095.pdf > > (32) Bb breaks down carbohydrates into toxic acetate and ethanol. > This reduces Ca and additional Mg. > > http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Microtextbook/index.php? > name=Sections & req=viewarticle & artid=110 & page=1 > www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2715.htm > > (7) When Mg levels drop, this impacts the number and " health " of our > antibodies. Since the Western Blot test measures antibodies, this > may be why the testing is inaccurate (assuming it only measures > healthy antibodies). The antibody specific to Bb is damaged – > the " fab " portion. > > PMID: 1093189 (www.pubmed.com) > > PMID: 9125579 (www.pubmed.com) > > (8) It takes Mg and Ca (calcium) to make completely HEALTHY > antibodies. > > http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.h > tm > > > The above is all a part of my " Updated Nutshell " post which I have > to look at again...as I keep " updating " it...as even MORE pieces of > the puzzle fall into place. > > There is so much happening in the body due to so many nutrients > taking a " hit " it is nearly impossible to say this->that cause this - > > that and that and that... > > Choline, phosphorus,selenium, fructose, and zinc are some of the > nutrients Bb is taking from us. > > The ONLY one to be careful with, IMO, is zinc. > > High(ish) levels of Mg...SUSTAINED...can displace zinc...notice I > said DISPLACE...it it still present, but Bb has a hold of it. > > We respond by dumping from storage a LOT of Mg...at the outset and > ongoing. We also use vitamin E to help protect (from ethanol...from > sugar fermentation) and vitamin A...Too much TNF alpha (an acidic > protein) can do serious eye damage. Vitamin A (another acidic > protein) helps to protect the eyes. The proteins can " down regulate " > or " up regulate " one another...like the minerals (Too little Mg = > too much calcium)... > > " No significant difference in vitamin C serum concentration in > examined groups was observed. These results may suggest that low > serum concentrations of vitamin A and E may have influence on > Borrelia burgdorferi infection development. " > > PMID: 16013408 > > TNF alpha...proinflammatory...triggers lipolysis (breakdown of fats) > which would be a good thing, but...it further depletes Mg and we > lose control of glycolysis = insulin resistance soars...hello > diabetes. > > I have over 1400 MS word files...piece by piece...WHAT A complex > puzzle this is! > > We CAN win...It CAN be done...eliminating this infection, but > IMO..abx. is the wrong way to go...this bugger (along with > mycoplasm) is TOTALLY UNIQUE. > > We have to hit it from the cholesterol and glycolysis angle > simultaneously...the ONLY nutrient that can do this is Mg. > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 The document on herxing that Carole posted a couple of days ago, stated that herxing will come in a variety of intensities depending on what infection you are talking about. It talked about herxs coming from relapsing fever and syphillis if I remember right. Relapsing fever brought on the worst herx In all, including this relapsing fever, herxes caused about 4% mortality. So I wouldn't expect that you would see anyone die who had Lyme, who was herxing on Magnesium. So we may never see any documentation supporting that, thankfully. Another little side thought about magnesium, is that it has some very strong antimicrobial properties. For that reason it is recommended that you take it well away from your Probiotic or it will just kill it. > This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly I don't > even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to post. > All I know is the experience myself and others have had regarding > Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, and > just as something for you more scientific minded to " think " about. > > There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely know > her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the book > over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and back > down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium research > as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. She > has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says. > > So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it was " possible " > to herx on Mag....and " yes " she did think it was possible, but she > didn't really say why. > > > > > > > > > > . > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 Barb, I may be misunderstanding you, but I don't know what abstracts you are talking about that " I " added to this thread. I haven't added anything below the dotted lines. All of that is from Marnie. You read all that stuff already??? Dang you read and comprehend fast. > > > > This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly I don't > > even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to post. > > All I know is the experience myself and others have had regarding > > Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, > and > > just as something for you more scientific minded to " think " about. > > > > There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely know > > her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the book > > over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and > back > > down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium research > > as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. She > > has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says. > > > > So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it was " possible " > > to herx on Mag....and " yes " she did think it was possible, but she > > didn't really say why. > > > > So I asked her if she had scientific reason for thinking that, and > > boy did she ever have reasons and the majority seems to be > > documented. So here is her reply, cut and pasted and you can take a > > look if your are interested. > > ================================================================ > > > > Documented...which I have done numerous times...Mg INactivates HMG > > CoA reductase, stopping cholesterol (excess) production in the > > liver. We KNOW...also documented...that Bb is following > > the " cholesterol pathway " . It is stimulating the liver to pump out > > excess cholesterol. > > > > We KNOW Bb also follows the glycolysis pathway because Bb is " PFK > > dependent " ...this is the rate limiting enzyme for glycolysis. > > Insulin SPIKES activate this. > > > > Mg INactivates PFK...as do some other things. > > > > We also KNOW...for fact...that our OWN antibodies specifically > > designed to fight Bb are damaged (fab portion) and restoring Mg > > levels, restored the " health " of our own antibodies. > > > > Documentation: > > > > (1) The genetic analysis of Bb indicates it has a 60 kDa > > pyrophosphate dependent PFK (phosphofructokinase) enzyme. > > > > PMID: 12015149 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > (2) The enzyme, PFK, is " rate limiting " for glycolysis (using > > glycogen, not oxygen, to supply energy). And we know Bb is > > anaerobic – does not need oxygen. It wants/needs sugar. > > > > PMID: 10689623 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > PMID: 1832860 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > (3) PFK is INhibited by Mg-ATP (et al). (Most ATP is bound to Mg.). > > Insulin ACTIVATES it. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/doctor_uae/carbohydrates.htm > > > > http://www.mcw.edu/student/mcwsa/files/biochem22.doc > > > > http://www.eimb.relarn.ru/eimb/3nature.htm > > > > www.apjohncancerinstitute.org/newsletter-old2.htm > > > > http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/newsletter/lclnewsvol03-no04- pg2.html > > > > (4) Bb follows the cholesterol/ mevalonate / isoprenoid pathway. It > > has another enzyme: acetyl-CoA C-acetyltransferase. Cholesterol is > > needed to form the myelin sheath, the insulation around our nerves. > > In MS, this sheath is damaged. > > (Rohmer 1999; Kim et al. 2000; Wilding et al. 2000a, . or > > > > http://proteinscience.org/cgi/content/full/13/3/687 > > > > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > > gi1652965.html > > > > http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/cholesterol.html > > > > http://adams.mgh.harvard.edu/Reeves/workingresearch2.htm > > > > (5) Mg (and statin drugs) INactivate the enzyme 5-hydroxy-3- > > methylglutaryl-coenzyme A reductase (HMG-CoA reductase) which then > > reduces mevalonate, the first step in the cholesterol pathway. > > > > http://www.lef.org/whatshot/2004_11.htm > > > > Neurol India 2003;51:211-214 > > The above suggests that intracellular Mg levels play a critical > role > > in regaining control of the glycolysis and cholesterol pathways > > which are impacted by this pathogen. > > > > (6) Cancer doctors at a Romanian hospital found a > very " significant " > > drop in Mg levels early on in 2 lyme patients. By restoring their > > magnesium levels, they were cured of lyme disease. Please note: > this > > was caught early. > > > > http://www.coldcure.com/html/2003-mag-abstracts.pdf > > > > (28) Bb locks onto a heparin receptor. It may be using fibrin to > > cloak itself and thus avoid detection/destruction. Magnesium may > > reduce insoluble fibrin. > > > > http://www- heparin.rpi.edu/papers/PDFfiles_2000_present/CarbBased% > > 20Drug%20Discovery.pdf > > > > http://64.233.167.104/search? > > q=cache:Ay2HJ8b6iEQJ:medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/% 3Frequest% > > 3Dread-response%26doi% > > 3D10.1371/journal.pmed.0020098+Magnesium+may+reduce+insoluble+ > > fibrin+levels+by+displacing+calcium+in+the+coagulation+process & hl=en > > > > (29) Bb needs CHOLINE! It is taking this nutrient and others from > us. > > > > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > > gi1652965.html > > > > http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/150/2/391 > > > > (30) Bb contains a PKC inhibitor. This is a protein kinase C > > inhibitor. Protein kinase C inhibitors compete with Mg-ATP. PKC > > inhibitors cause cell death. When the body is exposed to this > > inhibitor, Mg is dumped quickly. > > > > PMID: 8978084 > > > > http://www.biochemj.org/bj/351/0095/3510095.pdf > > > > (32) Bb breaks down carbohydrates into toxic acetate and ethanol. > > This reduces Ca and additional Mg. > > > > http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Microtextbook/index.php? > > name=Sections & req=viewarticle & artid=110 & page=1 > > www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2715.htm > > > > (7) When Mg levels drop, this impacts the number and " health " of > our > > antibodies. Since the Western Blot test measures antibodies, this > > may be why the testing is inaccurate (assuming it only measures > > healthy antibodies). The antibody specific to Bb is damaged – > > the " fab " portion. > > > > PMID: 1093189 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > PMID: 9125579 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > (8) It takes Mg and Ca (calcium) to make completely HEALTHY > > antibodies. > > > > > http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.h > > tm > > > > > > The above is all a part of my " Updated Nutshell " post which I have > > to look at again...as I keep " updating " it...as even MORE pieces of > > the puzzle fall into place. > > > > There is so much happening in the body due to so many nutrients > > taking a " hit " it is nearly impossible to say this->that cause > this - > > > that and that and that... > > > > Choline, phosphorus,selenium, fructose, and zinc are some of the > > nutrients Bb is taking from us. > > > > The ONLY one to be careful with, IMO, is zinc. > > > > High(ish) levels of Mg...SUSTAINED...can displace zinc...notice I > > said DISPLACE...it it still present, but Bb has a hold of it. > > > > We respond by dumping from storage a LOT of Mg...at the outset and > > ongoing. We also use vitamin E to help protect (from ethanol...from > > sugar fermentation) and vitamin A...Too much TNF alpha (an acidic > > protein) can do serious eye damage. Vitamin A (another acidic > > protein) helps to protect the eyes. The proteins can " down > regulate " > > or " up regulate " one another...like the minerals (Too little Mg = > > too much calcium)... > > > > " No significant difference in vitamin C serum concentration in > > examined groups was observed. These results may suggest that low > > serum concentrations of vitamin A and E may have influence on > > Borrelia burgdorferi infection development. " > > > > PMID: 16013408 > > > > TNF alpha...proinflammatory...triggers lipolysis (breakdown of > fats) > > which would be a good thing, but...it further depletes Mg and we > > lose control of glycolysis = insulin resistance soars...hello > > diabetes. > > > > I have over 1400 MS word files...piece by piece...WHAT A complex > > puzzle this is! > > > > We CAN win...It CAN be done...eliminating this infection, but > > IMO..abx. is the wrong way to go...this bugger (along with > > mycoplasm) is TOTALLY UNIQUE. > > > > We have to hit it from the cholesterol and glycolysis angle > > simultaneously...the ONLY nutrient that can do this is Mg. > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 Carol is exactly correct. And if you research those diseases further (and the antimicrobials used to treat them) you will find that the choice of chemical class of the antibiotic has been found to either increase the severity of herx, OR lessen the severity of the herx, by inhibiting (or not) some of the chemical functions of the cells involved. Barb n infections , " jellybelly92008 " <herranenb@...> wrote: > > The document on herxing that Carole posted a couple of days ago, > stated that herxing will come in a variety of intensities depending > on what infection you are talking about. It talked about herxs > coming from relapsing fever and syphillis if I remember right. > Relapsing fever brought on the worst herx In all, including this > relapsing fever, herxes caused about 4% mortality. So I wouldn't > expect that you would see anyone die who had Lyme, who was herxing > on Magnesium. So we may never see any documentation supporting that, > thankfully. > > Another little side thought about magnesium, is that it has some > very strong antimicrobial properties. For that reason it is > recommended that you take it well away from your Probiotic or it > will just kill it. > > > > This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly > I don't > > even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to post. > > All I know is the experience myself and others have had regarding > > Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, > and > > just as something for you more scientific minded to " think " about. > > > > There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely know > > her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the > book > > over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and > back > > down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium research > > as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. She > > has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says. > > > > So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it > was " possible " > > to herx on Mag....and " yes " she did think it was possible, but she > > didn't really say why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Posted June 26, 2006 I was referring to the references in the post you forwarded on Magnesium. It doesn't really matter if they were forwarded from Lymenet or if you added them... It doesn't change my position because they don't have anything to do with the topic of Herxing. Barb > > > > > > This is not for the purpose of arguing, because honestly I don't > > > even begin to understand what all is here that I am going to > post. > > > All I know is the experience myself and others have had > regarding > > > Magnesium and herxing. You guys can take it for what it's worth, > > and > > > just as something for you more scientific minded to " think " > about. > > > > > > There is someone on Lynenet named Marnie, some of you likely > know > > > her. Her specialty is Magnesium. She literally has written the > book > > > over there on Mag, and has studied this subject up one side and > > back > > > down the other. Hundreds of hours invested into Magnesium > research > > > as she believes that this is a MAJOR key to regaining health. > She > > > has tons of documented evidence supporting what she says. > > > > > > So, I thought, I would go ask Marnie, if she felt it > was " possible " > > > to herx on Mag....and " yes " she did think it was possible, but > she > > > didn't really say why. > > > > > > So I asked her if she had scientific reason for thinking that, > and > > > boy did she ever have reasons and the majority seems to be > > > documented. So here is her reply, cut and pasted and you can > take a > > > look if your are interested. > > > ================================================================ > > > > > > Documented...which I have done numerous times...Mg INactivates > HMG > > > CoA reductase, stopping cholesterol (excess) production in the > > > liver. We KNOW...also documented...that Bb is following > > > the " cholesterol pathway " . It is stimulating the liver to pump > out > > > excess cholesterol. > > > > > > We KNOW Bb also follows the glycolysis pathway because Bb > is " PFK > > > dependent " ...this is the rate limiting enzyme for glycolysis. > > > Insulin SPIKES activate this. > > > > > > Mg INactivates PFK...as do some other things. > > > > > > We also KNOW...for fact...that our OWN antibodies specifically > > > designed to fight Bb are damaged (fab portion) and restoring Mg > > > levels, restored the " health " of our own antibodies. > > > > > > Documentation: > > > > > > (1) The genetic analysis of Bb indicates it has a 60 kDa > > > pyrophosphate dependent PFK (phosphofructokinase) enzyme. > > > > > > PMID: 12015149 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > > > > (2) The enzyme, PFK, is " rate limiting " for glycolysis (using > > > glycogen, not oxygen, to supply energy). And we know Bb is > > > anaerobic – does not need oxygen. It wants/needs sugar. > > > > > > PMID: 10689623 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > PMID: 1832860 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > > > > (3) PFK is INhibited by Mg-ATP (et al). (Most ATP is bound to > Mg.). > > > Insulin ACTIVATES it. > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/doctor_uae/carbohydrates.htm > > > > > > http://www.mcw.edu/student/mcwsa/files/biochem22.doc > > > > > > http://www.eimb.relarn.ru/eimb/3nature.htm > > > > > > www.apjohncancerinstitute.org/newsletter-old2.htm > > > > > > http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/newsletter/lclnewsvol03-no04- > pg2.html > > > > > > (4) Bb follows the cholesterol/ mevalonate / isoprenoid pathway. > It > > > has another enzyme: acetyl-CoA C-acetyltransferase. Cholesterol > is > > > needed to form the myelin sheath, the insulation around our > nerves. > > > In MS, this sheath is damaged. > > > (Rohmer 1999; Kim et al. 2000; Wilding et al. 2000a, . or > > > > > > http://proteinscience.org/cgi/content/full/13/3/687 > > > > > > > > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > > > gi1652965.html > > > > > > http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/cholesterol.html > > > > > > http://adams.mgh.harvard.edu/Reeves/workingresearch2.htm > > > > > > (5) Mg (and statin drugs) INactivate the enzyme 5-hydroxy-3- > > > methylglutaryl-coenzyme A reductase (HMG-CoA reductase) which > then > > > reduces mevalonate, the first step in the cholesterol pathway. > > > > > > http://www.lef.org/whatshot/2004_11.htm > > > > > > Neurol India 2003;51:211-214 > > > The above suggests that intracellular Mg levels play a critical > > role > > > in regaining control of the glycolysis and cholesterol pathways > > > which are impacted by this pathogen. > > > > > > (6) Cancer doctors at a Romanian hospital found a > > very " significant " > > > drop in Mg levels early on in 2 lyme patients. By restoring > their > > > magnesium levels, they were cured of lyme disease. Please note: > > this > > > was caught early. > > > > > > http://www.coldcure.com/html/2003-mag-abstracts.pdf > > > > > > (28) Bb locks onto a heparin receptor. It may be using fibrin to > > > cloak itself and thus avoid detection/destruction. Magnesium may > > > reduce insoluble fibrin. > > > > > > http://www- > heparin.rpi.edu/papers/PDFfiles_2000_present/CarbBased% > > > 20Drug%20Discovery.pdf > > > > > > http://64.233.167.104/search? > > > q=cache:Ay2HJ8b6iEQJ:medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/% > 3Frequest% > > > 3Dread-response%26doi% > > > 3D10.1371/journal.pmed.0020098+Magnesium+may+reduce+insoluble+ > > > > fibrin+levels+by+displacing+calcium+in+the+coagulation+process & hl=en > > > > > > (29) Bb needs CHOLINE! It is taking this nutrient and others > from > > us. > > > > > > > > > http://www.sbc.su.se/~anna/PhylProM/families_with_members_in_profile/ > > > gi1652965.html > > > > > > http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/150/2/391 > > > > > > (30) Bb contains a PKC inhibitor. This is a protein kinase C > > > inhibitor. Protein kinase C inhibitors compete with Mg-ATP. PKC > > > inhibitors cause cell death. When the body is exposed to this > > > inhibitor, Mg is dumped quickly. > > > > > > PMID: 8978084 > > > > > > http://www.biochemj.org/bj/351/0095/3510095.pdf > > > > > > (32) Bb breaks down carbohydrates into toxic acetate and > ethanol. > > > This reduces Ca and additional Mg. > > > > > > http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Microtextbook/index.php? > > > name=Sections & req=viewarticle & artid=110 & page=1 > > > www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2715.htm > > > > > > (7) When Mg levels drop, this impacts the number and " health " of > > our > > > antibodies. Since the Western Blot test measures antibodies, > this > > > may be why the testing is inaccurate (assuming it only measures > > > healthy antibodies). The antibody specific to Bb is damaged – > > > the " fab " portion. > > > > > > PMID: 1093189 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > PMID: 9125579 (www.pubmed.com) > > > > > > (8) It takes Mg and Ca (calcium) to make completely HEALTHY > > > antibodies. > > > > > > > > > http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.h > > > tm > > > > > > > > > The above is all a part of my " Updated Nutshell " post which I > have > > > to look at again...as I keep " updating " it...as even MORE pieces > of > > > the puzzle fall into place. > > > > > > There is so much happening in the body due to so many nutrients > > > taking a " hit " it is nearly impossible to say this->that cause > > this - > > > > that and that and that... > > > > > > Choline, phosphorus,selenium, fructose, and zinc are some of the > > > nutrients Bb is taking from us. > > > > > > The ONLY one to be careful with, IMO, is zinc. > > > > > > High(ish) levels of Mg...SUSTAINED...can displace zinc...notice > I > > > said DISPLACE...it it still present, but Bb has a hold of it. > > > > > > We respond by dumping from storage a LOT of Mg...at the outset > and > > > ongoing. We also use vitamin E to help protect (from > ethanol...from > > > sugar fermentation) and vitamin A...Too much TNF alpha (an > acidic > > > protein) can do serious eye damage. Vitamin A (another acidic > > > protein) helps to protect the eyes. The proteins can " down > > regulate " > > > or " up regulate " one another...like the minerals (Too little Mg > = > > > too much calcium)... > > > > > > " No significant difference in vitamin C serum concentration in > > > examined groups was observed. These results may suggest that low > > > serum concentrations of vitamin A and E may have influence on > > > Borrelia burgdorferi infection development. " > > > > > > PMID: 16013408 > > > > > > TNF alpha...proinflammatory...triggers lipolysis (breakdown of > > fats) > > > which would be a good thing, but...it further depletes Mg and we > > > lose control of glycolysis = insulin resistance soars...hello > > > diabetes. > > > > > > I have over 1400 MS word files...piece by piece...WHAT A complex > > > puzzle this is! > > > > > > We CAN win...It CAN be done...eliminating this infection, but > > > IMO..abx. is the wrong way to go...this bugger (along with > > > mycoplasm) is TOTALLY UNIQUE. > > > > > > We have to hit it from the cholesterol and glycolysis angle > > > simultaneously...the ONLY nutrient that can do this is Mg. > > > > > > Quote
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