Re: Re: DMSO for Emphysema

[Guest guest]

Hi Garnet,

Thanks for the info. Yeah, I am getting a rife machine soon. Electronic

healing really does work. Thanks for the tip about Chlorophyll.

I am trying to come up with a way to apply DMSO that is less

objectionable. How do you apply it topically? Can you prevent it from

running all over the place? I am scared to mix it with anything like a

gel or cream or even put it on a cloth. I am not sure if there is some

eaier way to apply it than just mixing it with water and spilling it on

your skin. I should try get those books, but they certainly don't sell

them in my country.

I know several people with inflammatory conditions and one with

emphysema and I want to give them all DMSO. But I want to do it in a

way that is least objectionable so they won't be put off by the stuff

before trying it for a while

MSM is good for Emphysema, it softens the tissue. DMSO is good for

breaking down the cross linking between collagen, which helps flatten

scar tissue or excessive collagen.

DMSO Natures Healer and MSM The Definitive Guide both have references to

emphysema. Taking MSM would help as well.

For the body odor just take a 50 mg tablet of chlorophyll, or two. It

does the trick for me and the dogs when they are on DMSO. I don't get

much odor on low topical use but oral use or lots of topical I need the

chlorophyll. It is also a blood cleanser so great for you. Alfalfa tonic

or tabs might have enough in there to have the same effect. Each of us

varies as to how much odor we get, that is how much Dimethyl Sulfide we

produce from a given amount of DMSO, whether it is in our food or from a

bottle. It is individual and some people get less than others, could

also depend on the state of your metabolism I suppose.

Compressing is a great way to apply it to an injury. Drinking it is not

the easiest way to use it, but is very effective in the case of head

trauma, and also I would use it myself if I thought I was having a

stroke or heat attack, at least 4 cc orally. I would not hesitate to

slow push an IV on myself if I thought the symptoms warranted it. Slow

push to lessen the slight lysing of red blood cells that occurs on

injection. The doses are discussed in the above two books, but dose is

individual, and toxicity is not an issue. There are just general

guidelines of 4 ml a day orally. Remember that it took 40,000 the

therapeutic dose to even begin to establish a lethal dose in lab animals

so the margin of safety is huge with DMSO. Just don't boil it or inhale

the heated vapors, that is the one form of DMSO that is lethal, but it

does not boil until 365* so not a real likelihood to have occur.

I use it topically when ever I need it, generally 30 -70% depending on

the sensitivity of the area. For arthritis I use a 90% roll on on my

knees after putting Emu and Peppermint Oil on first. Peppermint to warm

the area and Emu for both antinflammatory and moisturizing properties.

IT is great stuff. www.lbemuoil.com is a good source. It seems to keep

me pain free most of the time with only occasional use. My knees hurt

worst when I am on my feet all weekend at a dog show and I use it three

or four times a day. This past show weekend they did not hurt at all!

But I have a new toy that I am trying on arthritis and trauma.

A Multi Wave Oscillator, after Lakhovsky (Google his name for more info

from the work he did early in the 20th century). The MWO is amazing for

pain and inflammation. I have used it on injuries and arthritic knees

with what seems to be permanent improvement and not just symptomatic

relief. The circuits for this MWO were posted on the Internet by

Key, but it is made by Dr Bill Biagioli. I have used the Tesla Coils

passively too, to sleep on, unpowered, and they also seem to help. Dr

Bill sells them for a small sum. I ordered two 9 " and one 6 " with my

machine. I am new to the electronic side of healing so this is my first

foray into any of these types of electrically powered healing devices.

So I am learning by doing.

Garnet

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> FROM: dirk.coetsee@...

> DATE: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:33:02 +0200

> SUBJECT: DMSO for Emphysema

>

> I was wondering if anybody knew if DMSO was any good for

> Emphysema? Also, I am sure it's good for arthritic pain, but

> can you take it in therapeutic doses without getting " the

> smell " ? What sort of doses do you guys take?

>

> Thanks! Dirk

>

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Garnet. Do you take it orally? I've heard of people taking it

> orally and even rectally, but the practice seem dangerous to me.

I do take it orally but daily, however I would if I felt I needed it

with no hesitation. DMSO is less toxic than aspirin. It took 40,000

times the therapeutic dose to establish the Lethal Dose 50 (dose that

kills 50% of test animals). Who is going to consume that much? It is not

possible.

DMSO is in your food. It totally natural and without toxic effects.

There are caveats in how to use it and there can be side effects but no

toxic effects. There is much scientific literature on DMSO, unlike it's

cousin MSM (same chemical formula plus one more atom of oxygen), for

which there is little.

> How can

> you be sure it won't bind with something undesirable and drag it through

> your skin?

Wash the area first and rinse well with water.

What kind of toxins on the skin are you worried about? Think about it,

unless you are spraying pesticides or using some kind of toxic substance

that somehow gets on your skin AND you do not wash it off before

applying how the heck is there going to be anything there to worry about?

You might be reading too much Quack Watch type info about DMSO. There is

loads of disinformation put out by Big Pharma. Don't let it get you down!

Garnet

>

> On 6/30/06, *Garnet* <garnetridge@...

> > wrote:

>

> There are no formal dose response studies that I know of.

>

> It is good for Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) so there should be dosage

> information out there somewhere, just can't remember ever seeing it.

> But

> it might have suggestions in the book. Or if you can find an IBS

> discussion list you could ask there. Same for arthritis and emphysema,

> find a good list, search the archives and also ask on the list. If you

> do find anything would you please post it to this list?

>

> 4 cc daily for oral use is the " recommended " that mentions. He

> developed DMSO and his site is www.jacoblab.com

> <http://www.jacoblab.com> -- maybe you can get

> more info by calling them. I have talked to his son once when I called

> and he was very helpful.

>

> I know of no dosage limit on topical use. Just cautions to be sure the

> area is clean and free of anything you do not want carried in. Or could

> over dose on if you used it too often in one day.

>

> Garnet

>

>

>

> Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>> Do you know how I can figure out dosing for different conditions? Is

>> it different? Is it in those books? Like one person I know has

>> emphysema, one has arthritis, I myself have mild intestinal

>> inflammation... I don't imagine we'll all take the same amount in the

>> same way. Is it something you just figure out by trial and error?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry that should have read " but not daily " , only when I need it.

I use it topically almost every day though.

Garnet

Garnet wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> >

> >

> > Thanks Garnet. Do you take it orally? I've heard of people taking it

> > orally and even rectally, but the practice seem dangerous to me.

>

> I do take it orally but daily, however I would if I felt I needed it

> with no hesitation. DMSO is less toxic than aspirin. It took 40,000

> times the therapeutic dose to establish the Lethal Dose 50 (dose that

> kills 50% of test animals). Who is going to consume that much? It is not

> possible.

>

> DMSO is in your food. It totally natural and without toxic effects.

> There are caveats in how to use it and there can be side effects but no

> toxic effects. There is much scientific literature on DMSO, unlike it's

> cousin MSM (same chemical formula plus one more atom of oxygen), for

> which there is little.

>

> > How can

> > you be sure it won't bind with something undesirable and drag it through

> > your skin?

>

> Wash the area first and rinse well with water.

>

> What kind of toxins on the skin are you worried about? Think about it,

> unless you are spraying pesticides or using some kind of toxic substance

> that somehow gets on your skin AND you do not wash it off before

> applying how the heck is there going to be anything there to worry about?

>

> You might be reading too much Quack Watch type info about DMSO. There is

> loads of disinformation put out by Big Pharma. Don't let it get you down!

>

> Garnet

>

> >

> > On 6/30/06, *Garnet* <garnetridge@...

> <mailto:garnetridge%40granitepoint.net>

> > <mailto:garnetridge@...

> <mailto:garnetridge%40granitepoint.net>>> wrote:

> >

> > There are no formal dose response studies that I know of.

> >

> > It is good for Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) so there should be dosage

> > information out there somewhere, just can't remember ever seeing it.

> > But

> > it might have suggestions in the book. Or if you can find an IBS

> > discussion list you could ask there. Same for arthritis and emphysema,

> > find a good list, search the archives and also ask on the list. If you

> > do find anything would you please post it to this list?

> >

> > 4 cc daily for oral use is the " recommended " that mentions. He

> > developed DMSO and his site is www.jacoblab.com

> > <http://www.jacoblab.com <http://www.jacoblab.com>> -- maybe you can get

> > more info by calling them. I have talked to his son once when I called

> > and he was very helpful.

> >

> > I know of no dosage limit on topical use. Just cautions to be sure the

> > area is clean and free of anything you do not want carried in. Or could

> > over dose on if you used it too often in one day.

> >

> > Garnet

> >

> >

> >

> > Dirk Coetsee wrote:

> >

> >> Do you know how I can figure out dosing for different conditions? Is

> >> it different? Is it in those books? Like one person I know has

> >> emphysema, one has arthritis, I myself have mild intestinal

> >> inflammation... I don't imagine we'll all take the same amount in the

> >> same way. Is it something you just figure out by trial and error?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Garnet, you misunderstood. I mean, how can you be sure it's safe

if you take it orally. I am sure it's safe topically, but if you put it

in your mouth, what about all the things that live in your mouth? It is

not the most clean place. Is it really safe this way?

Thanks

Dirk

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Garnet. Do you take it orally? I've heard of people taking it

> orally and even rectally, but the practice seem dangerous to me.

I do take it orally but daily, however I would if I felt I needed it

with no hesitation. DMSO is less toxic than aspirin. It took 40,000

times the therapeutic dose to establish the Lethal Dose 50 (dose that

kills 50% of test animals). Who is going to consume that much? It is not

possible.

DMSO is in your food. It totally natural and without toxic effects.

There are caveats in how to use it and there can be side effects but no

toxic effects. There is much scientific literature on DMSO, unlike it's

cousin MSM (same chemical formula plus one more atom of oxygen), for

which there is little.

> How can

> you be sure it won't bind with something undesirable and drag it through

> your skin?

Wash the area first and rinse well with water.

What kind of toxins on the skin are you worried about? Think about it,

unless you are spraying pesticides or using some kind of toxic substance

that somehow gets on your skin AND you do not wash it off before

applying how the heck is there going to be anything there to worry about?

You might be reading too much Quack Watch type info about DMSO. There is

loads of disinformation put out by Big Pharma. Don't let it get you down!

Garnet

>

> On 6/30/06, *Garnet* <garnetridge@...

> > wrote:

>

> There are no formal dose response studies that I know of.

>

> It is good for Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) so there should be dosage

> information out there somewhere, just can't remember ever seeing it.

> But

> it might have suggestions in the book. Or if you can find an IBS

> discussion list you could ask there. Same for arthritis and emphysema,

> find a good list, search the archives and also ask on the list. If you

> do find anything would you please post it to this list?

>

> 4 cc daily for oral use is the " recommended " that mentions. He

> developed DMSO and his site is www.jacoblab.com

> <http://www.jacoblab.com> -- maybe you can get

> more info by calling them. I have talked to his son once when I called

> and he was very helpful.

>

> I know of no dosage limit on topical use. Just cautions to be sure the

> area is clean and free of anything you do not want carried in. Or could

> over dose on if you used it too often in one day.

>

> Garnet

>

>

>

> Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>> Do you know how I can figure out dosing for different conditions? Is

>> it different? Is it in those books? Like one person I know has

>> emphysema, one has arthritis, I myself have mild intestinal

>> inflammation... I don't imagine we'll all take the same amount in the

>> same way. Is it something you just figure out by trial and error?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good to know. Thanks! Doesn't it hurt in your mouth? I guess you dilute

it. I remember when I put 100% neat DMSO on my arm. Man! What irritationOn 7/2/06, Garnet <garnetridge@...

> wrote:

Bacteria, viruses, mycoplasma and any other organisms are all too large.

DMSO will only transport molecules that are 1000 daltons Molecular

Weight or less. That cuts out all organisms and many larger molecules.

To find the Molecular Weight of a substance you can check the MSDS

(Material Safety Data Sheet). It is often on the upper right hand corner

or somewhere on the form.

I use DMSO in my mouth frequently for various things. A toothache, an

infected gum, a canker sore. I have 7 rambunctious dogs, 2 of them are

under a year old so I end up with split lip about once a month from one

of them getting overly excited and bumping me in the mouth. I can clear

a mouth laceration in a matter of a day or so and if it turns into a

canker sore, which seems to happen often with this type of cut, one

application of DMSO and CS dries it up.

Garnet

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

Sorry Garnet, you misunderstood. I mean, how can you be sure it's safe

if you take it orally. I am sure it's safe topically, but if you put it

in your mouth, what about all the things that live in your mouth? It is

not the most clean place. Is it really safe this way?

Thanks

Dirk

[Guest guest]

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>

> Good to know. Thanks! Doesn't it hurt in your mouth? I guess you dilute

> it. I remember when I put 100% neat DMSO on my arm. Man! What irritation.

I rarely use it full strength topically and would not use it that way

orally. I do use the 90% roll on and gel full strength in some areas. My

knees and hands tolerate this concentration well. If I burn myself in

the kitchen I reach for what ever is closest, usually the stock bottle

of liquid that I always keep in the kitchen. I try to keep dilution

bottles and even roll ons that I fill myself with 30% in every room and

both my cars.

I have seen 70% irritate the skin on the back in sensitive people. It

can cause blistering and irritation when used in too high a

concentration on sensitive areas or in sensitive people. That is why it

is suggested to start lower, I like to start at 30% and work up to what

is well tolerated. This seems like a good starting point for oral too.

Or go even lower. Most of the time there is no reason not to.

I also try to use Emu Oil with topical use to prevent drying. DMSO pulls

the oils out of the skin. But I find that even if I use it full strength

for say a burn Emu will restore my skin to normal within hours or over

night. It can make the skin look like you spent too long in the water

and feel like leather. This is very temporary in my experience, but I

always follow it with several applications of Emu Oil. www.lbemuoil.com

has a good product or check with local Emu farms and health food stores.

Garnet

[Guest guest]

Going to try that. Thanks Garnet

Dirk

It would be hard to over dose using it topically. Many athletes compress

injuries 24/7. I used 45 cc daily in my horse's feed when he needed

antinflammatories. DMSO is a lot safer than most that are prescribed for

horses. That would translate to 4.5 cc roughly for an adult human.

I used 4 cc a day for a 90# dog orally for the same purpose. The only

side effect was that she peed a lot and had a few accidents when I was

not home to let her out. And drank a lot of water.

4cc at 50% concentration or 8cc at 50% concentration? Either one sounds

safe to me.

Garnet

Dirk Coetsee wrote:

>

>

> You really know about DMSO! I must try buy those books. In the mean

> time, I'm going to stick with topical use. I know I've asked this

> before, but I'm still a bit unclear: how much should I use daily? I have

> mild inflammation and a lot of oxidative stress. I was thinking maybe

> just a few mL a day to start (maybe 4cc), mixed with distilled water.

> I'm going to try 50/50 mix and see how it is

>

> Dirk

>