Re: Archives of original list. & free speech

[Guest guest]

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I'm not sure of the exact focus of this conversation but I can

guess. All our early archives (the original list) were deleted due

to being threatened by a particular someone who didn't like

our discussions. That's why we had to create this new group, and in

the process lost about 600 members. This was definitely the desired

outcome for the person complaining about our group, although he was

hoping, I believe, that we wouldn't be able to recover any members

at all, let alone the approx. 300 who are still here.

Even though this person's lawsuit was thrown out, didn't want

to be involved in any kind of legal proceedings. Not only were they

threatened with legal proceedings if they didn't shut down the list,

they were subpoenaed to turn over all archived postings, and even

all of my own personal email records. Of course, once the

initial lawsuit was dismissed, this became an illegal request. But

still did not hesitate to shut down the old list when

threatened with legal action, regardless of it's lack of validity.

The archives do still exist. A friend of our list transferred them

to a British site, some kind of holding place.

That archive goes all the way back to the origins of the first list,

when it had another name and we thought the point was to discuss the

pros and cons of Benicar as a treatment for inflammation.

Unfortuantely, once we actually started " discussing the pros and

cons " rather than being a propaganda mouth piece for the inventor of

a certain protocol, that's when our legal troubles began.

Anyway, the point is, the archives exist. If someone knows the link

off hand, please post it to the links section of this list. If not,

I'll search for it when I'm feeling better. And please do read the

early reports with critical eye. Behind the scenes there was a major

battle about the veracity of the claims being made. I still believe

that there's something major going on with ARBs, and their potential

effectiveness in chronic inflammation, but the outrageousness and

rigidity of the original claims have seriously affected the

reputation of these drugs.

I also think it's important that we attempt to rebound from the blow

struck by the person whose goal it was to thwart free speech by

shutting down our original list. That is to encourage as many people

as possible to rejoin THIS list. To try to recover the old members

who lost our site, as well as new members who can benfit from the

information here, which is important. So spread the word. We may not

use certain names on this list, due to our experiences with legal

harrasment, but we can certainly still discuss the pros and cons of

all treament protocols.

penny

>

> The early archives of this list seem to have been

> deleted by , in response to a third-party request I would

> assume. eurolyme and have a few patient

> reports on this somewhere back there.

>

> As advocates of " that " might point out, to be fair you do have to

> examine peoples compliance with the regime when you evaluate their

> reports. To the extent possible.

>

> I would say, dont rely much on summaries of patient outcomes, read

> patient reports, firsthand. I once believed uncritically patient

> outcome summaries that I read " there, " and I later felt it foolish

to

> have done so.

>