Re: DMSO and lipomas

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Could be the lipoma absorbed a lot of fluid, both water and DMSO from

the compress. If that is what caused the increase in size it should

diminish. Warmth is from histamine release and increased circulation,

also is produced when DMSO contacts water, such as applying DMSO to wet

skin -- when DMSO reacts with water it releases heat, an exothermic

reaction, as opposed to one that requires heat, endothermic reaction,

has to do with chemical bonds breaking and reforming.

It certainly could not be growth in 2.5 hours of time, I would simply

keep an eye on it and make some notes, since it sounds like you may be

repeating the procedure many times, you could make some interesting

observations. Please keep us posted.

Garnet

> Only this morning I received my first pint of DMSO, very excited

> that I have some at last.

> My first job with it was to make a mix with CS 90% and 10% DMSO to

> clean dogs paws and ears.. Next on my list is to try and tackle a

> longstanding problem I have with multiple lipomas (between 150 and

> 200). Do not have a more specific diagnosis re the lipomas as to

> which particular form it is. Very few doctors around who appear to

> have knowledge. Not even sure where to travel in Australia to find a

> doctor who could give me a positive diagnosis, have drawn a blank

> thusfar.

>

> Dietary measures and exercises have not made too much difference so

> therefore I want to experiment with DMSO.

> I soaked a gauze in the solution (a fresh one, not the one I used for

> dog) and applied that to a big one on my left fore arm (about 1 inch

> wide by 2 inches long). It may have been stronger, more like 30/70

> DMSO/CS... it gave a burning sensation but that's ok, not afraid of

> that. Where I need a little reassurance with is the following.

> I just removed the gauze and the size of the lipoma has doubled in

> width, and feels warm to the touch. This reaction follows the

> application for about 2 1/2 hours.

> I have taken the gauze off for now just to let it settle. Does this

> increase sound like a fair reaction? Any ideas or suggestions?

>

> Thank you

> Hanneke ~ Australia

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That is great news Hanneke! I have read of its tumor reducing properties

but have not had occasion to witness them myself. It also flattens scars

so it breaks down collagen, could well help with the encapsulated

tumors.

It would be great to have photos if you have a digital camera handy! I

am still trying to figure out how to load the photos someone sent me of

a cat's tummy who had a tumor that was treated with Arteminisin and then

followed by DMSO. Not enough time in my day for all the list duties I

would like to attend to. But I will get the photo thing sooner or later,

probably with the help of my programmer hubby, when I can tear him away

from the other machines he is always tinkering with.

Pre-treating the area with Aloe vera gel is suppose to help with the

drying and burning effect. I would use the fresh plant or an organic

product. The times I have gotten dry skin, like when I dipped my crushed

finger tip in pure DMSO, I used Emu Oil and Lavendar Chamomile Essential

Oil, because that is what I had. Emu Oil is highly penetrating so I used

that twice and then the other three times and by the end of the day the

skin had gone from wrinkled and leathery feeling to normal! DMSO is

dehydrating and pulls ALL the oils out of your skin. Yet some people use

it once an hour on injuries, guess they use a lot of moisturizers. I

have compressed an area for hours at a time and just put up with the dry

skin, it itched for days but eventually went back to normal on its own.

I also really like Calendula Comfrey Salve, I buy one from Herb Pharm

with Plantain, Chickweed, Mullein, Bee Propolis in Beeswax and Olive Oil

base. Really heals skin rapidly and can close a wound over night. Great

for chapped lips, they are gone in 24 hours with this stuff.

Do keep us posted on your wonderful progress!

Garnet

> Thank you Garnet for your reply. I think it is very much as

> you described: absorption of fluid which resulted in the

> increased size. Not for a minute did I suspect that the

> lipoma had grown, just the application causing a swelling of

> some sort.

>

> After a 5 hours break I applied DMSO for another 2 hours, then

> gave it a rest till the morning. It was still rather swollen

> last night but when I got up this morning the swelling had

> come down and, very exciting, the lump itself is down. I can

> still feel a harder mass but not of the same proportions as it

> used to be. It gives the impression as if the deposit has

> flattened out but it sure is visibly smaller and not

> protruding. Have started making notes adding new info as I

> go.

> This particular lipoma is/was one of many encapsulated one

> whereas I have quite a few unencapsulated ones, as well as

> clusters in muscle tissue near the knee.

> Today I have given it a rest because the skin has the

> appearance of blisters and feels slightly like a burn. Have

> applied Vit E (from capsule) 3x sofar and tomorrow I want to

> continue with new applications of DMSO.

> Had to show off tonight and showed it to friends who have seen

> the protruding lump before and they all confirmed that the

> lump is not protruding any more (was at least half an inch).

> Not saying that I have found the solution but I sure am very

> excited.

>

> Will keep you informed on what is happening.

> Hanneke ~ Australia

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> Re: DMSO and lipomas

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> Could be the lipoma absorbed a lot of fluid, both water and

> DMSO from

> the compress. If that is what caused the increase in size it

> should

> diminish. Warmth is from histamine release and increased

> circulation,

> also is produced when DMSO contacts water, such as applying

> DMSO to wet

> skin -- when DMSO reacts with water it releases heat, an

> exothermic

> reaction, as opposed to one that requires heat, endothermic

> reaction,

> has to do with chemical bonds breaking and reforming.

>

> It certainly could not be growth in 2.5 hours of time, I would

> simply

> keep an eye on it and make some notes, since it sounds like

> you may be

> repeating the procedure many times, you could make some

> interesting

> observations. Please keep us posted.

>

> Garnet

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> But oh boy, am I looking forward to seeing my primary care doctor's

> face on showing her the result.

> Hanneke ~ Australia

You would be surprised at the number of allopathic physicians that would

love to be able to discuss and use alt remedies. They simply can not

even open their mouths without risking being dropped by their

malpractice insurance. Most do not realize this going into medicine and

simply see no good way to deal with it other than a judicious silence or

nod of the head.

My daughter's oral surgeon surprised the heck out of me when he agreed

to my request to use DMSO immediately after extracting her wisdom tooth

last month. But he also brought up Arnica for pain, I asked if he meant

homeopathic or herbal and he hesitated, obviously did not know there

were two methods of preparing Arnica. But he still did not get

defensive, he took in the information rapidly and said Homeopathic, with

a nod to the logic of my question.

So there is hope and I encourage all to not view their allopaths as

adversaries. The real culprits are the AMA, the phamaceutical industry

lobbies and their henchmen in the FDA.

Garnet

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Thank you Garnet for your reply. I think it is very much as you described: absorption of fluid which resulted in the increased size. Not for a minute did I suspect that the lipoma had grown, just the application causing a swelling of some sort.

After a 5 hours break I applied DMSO for another 2 hours, then gave it a rest till the morning. It was still rather swollen last night but when I got up this morning the swelling had come down and, very exciting, the lump itself is down. I can still feel a harder mass but not of the same proportions as it used to be. It gives the impression as if the deposit has flattened out but it sure is visibly smaller and not protruding. Have started making notes adding new info as I go.

This particular lipoma is/was one of many encapsulated one whereas I have quite a few unencapsulated ones, as well as clusters in muscle tissue near the knee.

Today I have given it a rest because the skin has the appearance of blisters and feels slightly like a burn. Have applied Vit E (from capsule) 3x sofar and tomorrow I want to continue with new applications of DMSO.

Had to show off tonight and showed it to friends who have seen the protruding lump before and they all confirmed that the lump is not protruding any more (was at least half an inch). Not saying that I have found the solution but I sure am very excited.

Will keep you informed on what is happening.

Hanneke ~ Australia

Re: DMSO and lipomas

Could be the lipoma absorbed a lot of fluid, both water and DMSO fromthe compress. If that is what caused the increase in size it shoulddiminish. Warmth is from histamine release and increased circulation,also is produced when DMSO contacts water, such as applying DMSO to wetskin -- when DMSO reacts with water it releases heat, an exothermicreaction, as opposed to one that requires heat, endothermic reaction,has to do with chemical bonds breaking and reforming.It certainly could not be growth in 2.5 hours of time, I would simplykeep an eye on it and make some notes, since it sounds like you may berepeating the procedure many times, you could make some interestingobservations. Please keep us posted.Garnet

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Unfortunately I don't have a digital camera but have been asking around if I can borrow one. I 'd love to have photo graphic evidence of what I'm doing here.

Thank you for the tips on how to treat the skin after an application. Living out here in the sticks, I have only access to the local chemist/Pharmacy with mainly the standard stuff on sale. But I know a place where they have some fresh Aloe Vera growing so that's what I'll pick tomorrow. It will be another 14 days before I go to town and be able to buy some suitable cream or ointment. I've written down the ingredients of the Calendula Salve... for now I'm applying the Vit E, coconut oil and longer breaks in between the applications. I'm not in a hurry to have them all eliminated within a week after having had the darned things since I was in my teens...lol. But oh boy, am I looking forward to seeing my primary care doctor's face on showing her the result.

Hanneke ~ Australia

Re: DMSO and lipomas

That is great news Hanneke! I have read of its tumor reducing propertiesbut have not had occasion to witness them myself. It also flattens scarsso it breaks down collagen, could well help with the encapsulatedtumors. It would be great to have photos if you have a digital camera handy! Iam still trying to figure out how to load the photos someone sent me ofa cat's tummy who had a tumor that was treated with Arteminisin and thenfollowed by DMSO. Not enough time in my day for all the list duties Iwould like to attend to. But I will get the photo thing sooner or later,probably with the help of my programmer hubby, when I can tear him awayfrom the other machines he is always tinkering with.Pre-treating the area with Aloe vera gel is suppose to help with thedrying and burning effect. I would use the fresh plant or an organicproduct. The times I have gotten dry skin, like when I dipped my crushedfinger tip in pure DMSO, I used Emu Oil and Lavendar Chamomile EssentialOil, because that is what I had. Emu Oil is highly penetrating so I usedthat twice and then the other three times and by the end of the day theskin had gone from wrinkled and leathery feeling to normal! DMSO isdehydrating and pulls ALL the oils out of your skin. Yet some people useit once an hour on injuries, guess they use a lot of moisturizers. Ihave compressed an area for hours at a time and just put up with the dryskin, it itched for days but eventually went back to normal on its own. I also really like Calendula Comfrey Salve, I buy one from Herb Pharmwith Plantain, Chickweed, Mullein, Bee Propolis in Beeswax and Olive Oilbase. Really heals skin rapidly and can close a wound over night. Greatfor chapped lips, they are gone in 24 hours with this stuff.Do keep us posted on your wonderful progress!Garnet

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Thanks for the info Hanneke. I was totally unaware! You are the first

person I have heard mention it other than the doc that commented on them

when I was younger.

I compressed an area on my chest for several days running and it stayed

itchy for over a month after I stopped. Even though I moisturized it and

restored the skin to its natural texture the itching persisted but was

intermittent.

Hope yours goes away quickly so you can get back to the therapy and see

what other results you get. You must be very excited to see any result

considering what you are up against. I do not like the idea of taking

drugs with side effects -- I am always one of the side effects group.

Lucky for me -- it keeps me on the alt health path!

Garnet

> Hi Garnet,

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> Many people with the multiple lipomas have started with only 1 or 2 at

> an early age, say in their teens. Comments by doctors are usually

> along the lines as you have received. Most likely it is a valid

> comment in many cases when there are only a few, and that they are

> nothing to worry about, especially if no changes occur over the

> years. I guess I would have forgotten about mine too had nothing

> changed.

>

> The tumours are beginning to become an issue when they start to grow,

> multiply and cause disfiguration and/or become rather painful. The

> change from having only a few smaller painless lipomas followed by

> years of peace and quiet, to an almost explosive development with

> formation of new ones and growth of existing ones, occurs 'out of

> the blue'.

> The conditions identified are Dercum's Disease, Madelungs type I or

> type II or MFL (Multiple Familial Lipomas). However, it is very

> difficult indeed to find a doctor who can give a diagnosis. A lot of

> doctors have heard about lipomas but never seen a person afflicted

> with them, there are few doctors who know a little more and are able

> to diagnose but that's where it stops really. No known treatments, no

> existing protocols, no cause, not much really is known at all. Many

> in the support groups (Dercums_Disease and

> LipomaSupport ) are on painkillers, experimenting with

> different ones because what works for one doesn't help some one else.

> The side effects of these drugs are horrific (needless to say, these

> drugs are not in my books, even if they paid me ...lol). Many have

> lipomas cut out - which is an art in itself as imprecise removal will

> result in regrowth, often bigger than the ones removed.

> Unfortunately, there are no indications whatsoever that the members of

> the groups are interested in tackling these nasties with means

> outside mainstream medicine. A suggestion to do a group experiment

> following the Budwig protocol was encountered with quotes from

> Quackbusters and snake oil... not a friendly environment at all.

> For most multiple lipomas 'owners', the at times excruciating pain has

> a disabling effect on their lives but most of us are still facing

> doctors who send us home with the same dismissive message: nothing to

> worry about, or try this or that painkiller (that is, if they don't

> dismiss the fact that it hurts. Lipomas are said to be painless...yea

> right).

>

> Dr. Tomlinson, in UK, is doing genetic research on blood samples sent

> to him by people from all over the world. Very much the type of

> research that may result in a protocol as to how to treat and perhaps

> even prevent it in the long run but of no consequence to the current

> group. One gutsy lady in Illinois was in so much distress of the

> lipomas and accompanying pain she subjected herself to experimental

> chemo therapy. Another lady, in the Melbourne area, had a full body

> liposuction, a procedure often advised against as it has not shown to

> relieve the condition but caused other serious health issues in

> return.

>

> I'd rather stick to experimenting with DMSO. The pain I have pretty

> much under control with taking MSM regularly. Previous attempts to

> work towards a change have not given the results I was looking for:

> rebounding regularly, daily walks 10 km, working out in the gym,

> vegetarian diet/raw diet for years since mid 80's, last 2 years Budwig

> protocol with now occasionally organic red meat, no alcohol, no dairy

> (have been dairy intolerant for many years), and no sugar and very few

> grains.

>

> As to an update on DMSO applications: I've given it a rest since

> Sunday Morning, it's still flattened out but surface skin has the

> appearance of having been heavily hit. In another couple of days I

> will continue with this big one. Am applying it to a small cluster of

> 3 about 2 inches from my left wrist, don't see any changes, just

> itches like you wouldn't believe it.

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> Hanneke

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> Garnet wrote:

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> I have some small lipomas, doctor commented on them when I was 33,

> some

> 17 years ago. Nothing to worry about, don't know why they form, lots

> of

> people have them sort of comment. Mine have never gotten very large

> and

> are not in a place that bothers me.

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