Re: Turbinate injections- maxillary sinusitis

February 4, 2006

Have you had a sinus culture? Have you had sinus surgery and if so did

the problem get worse after surgery? What state/country are you in?

>

> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,

> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a

> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the

> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains

> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I

> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still

> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled

> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid

> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha

> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my

> 7th month of this. Hard to

> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has

> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated

> fluid and wouldn't go away?

>

February 5, 2006

,

I didn't have a culture. I'm 42 and never had a sinus

problem before, let alone heard of sinusitis until

last summer when it started as what I thought was a

cold. I live in Northern NJ. I've never had surgery.

None of the dr's are in a big rush to do it either.

Thanks.

--- drgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote:

> Have you had a sinus culture? Have you had sinus

> surgery and if so did

> the problem get worse after surgery? What

> state/country are you in?

>

> >

> > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3

> weeks. Unfortunately,

> > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still

> feels like it has a

> > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's

> something clogged in the

> > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most

> of the stabbing pains

> > in my ears and back of my head has gotten better,

> but is still here. I

> > also don't get the same amount of pain in my face

> and jaw. I still

> > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr.

> is not thrilled

> > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to

> have the fluid

> > drained out of both sinuses and something done

> with my concha

> > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be

> done, as I'm in my

> > 7th month of this. Hard to

> > believe, it all started out as a cold in July,

> 2005 (last summer). Has

> > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial

> infection that accumulated

> > fluid and wouldn't go away?

> >

>

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February 5, 2006

drgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote: Have you had a sinus culture? Have you had sinus surgery and if so did the problem get worse after surgery? What state/country are you in?>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled> sounding

about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >Yes, I got a sinus infection in 1987. Have had several failed surgerys. Have not been without infection since it began. Recently cultured and found resistant Psuedomonas. Marie

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February 5, 2006

spsgroup1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote: Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has agigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in theleft side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing painsin my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. Ialso don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I stillfell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilledsounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluiddrained out of both sinuses and something done with my conchabullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my7th month of this. Hard tobelieve, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Hasanyone

else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulatedfluid and wouldn't go away?Can you tell me more about these injections. I am currently trying nebulized Trobramycin. Marie

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

February 5, 2006

You might want to google " Actinomycosis " and read up,

sounds very much like what I had. Jimd

--- Moni1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote:

> ,

> I didn't have a culture. I'm 42 and never had a

> sinus

> problem before, let alone heard of sinusitis until

> last summer when it started as what I thought was a

> cold. I live in Northern NJ. I've never had surgery.

> None of the dr's are in a big rush to do it either.

> Thanks.

>

> --- drgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote:

>

> > Have you had a sinus culture? Have you had sinus

> > surgery and if so did

> > the problem get worse after surgery? What

> > state/country are you in?

> >

> > >

> > > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3

> > weeks. Unfortunately,

> > > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still

> > feels like it has a

> > > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's

> > something clogged in the

> > > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most

> > of the stabbing pains

> > > in my ears and back of my head has gotten

> better,

> > but is still here. I

> > > also don't get the same amount of pain in my

> face

> > and jaw. I still

> > > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My

> dr.

> > is not thrilled

> > > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to

> > have the fluid

> > > drained out of both sinuses and something done

> > with my concha

> > > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can

> be

> > done, as I'm in my

> > > 7th month of this. Hard to

> > > believe, it all started out as a cold in July,

> > 2005 (last summer). Has

> > > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial

> > infection that accumulated

> > > fluid and wouldn't go away?

> > >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

February 5, 2006

Marie,

If you have the resources, you need to make an appt. with Dr.

Wellington Tichnor in NY, NY. If there is a way, he will wear his

fingers to the knubbs trying to make you well, and he is very

qualified. www.sinuses.com . If not, You need aggressive IV

treatment. Am I dense, or are you saying that your Pseudomonas are

resistant to gentamycin? If so, have you read up on synercid and

ketek, I don't know if they cover the pseudomonas?

> >

> > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks.

Unfortunately,

> > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it

has a

> > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the

> > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing

pains

> > in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still

here. I

> > also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still

> > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled

> > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid

> > drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha

> > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm

in my

> > 7th month of this. Hard to

> > believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last

summer). Has

> > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that

accumulated

> > fluid and wouldn't go away?

> >

> Yes, I got a sinus infection in 1987. Have had several failed

surgerys. Have not been without infection since it began. Recently

cultured and found resistant Psuedomonas.

> Marie

>

February 5, 2006

??Maybe I was referring to tobramycin for the pseudomonas resistance??

Anyway, for whoever is or may get needle aspiration to drain a closed

maxillary and the doc doesn't get it cultured, he is an inconsiderate

quack, run for your life and get someone who will isolate the

pathogens on antibiogram for resistance/susceptibility. He should be

stuck and the needle broke off.

Hi, I had 3 injections done,

once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,

> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a

> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the

> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing

pains

> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still

here. I

> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still

> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled

> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid

> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha

> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in

my

> 7th month of this. Hard to

> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer).

Has

> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that

accumulated

> fluid and wouldn't go away?

>

> Can you tell me more about these injections. I am currently trying

nebulized Trobramycin.

> Marie

>

February 5, 2006

Jim,

Did you get actinomycosis without having surgery or any facial trauma?

Thanks,

PS all,

I think it is worth noting that actinocycosis may be viewed by a lab

as a contaminant since it is a normal sinus flora. BUT, if it comes

up in a culture from needle aspiration of the maxillary, it is not a

contaminant because the sinuses past the ostium are supposed to be

sterile. Insist your doctor tell the lab to report all growth without

adding inhibitors and keep the growth going for a few months.

A lab will screw ya, as will a close minded or ignorant doctor.

> > > >

> > > > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3

> > > weeks. Unfortunately,

> > > > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still

> > > feels like it has a

> > > > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's

> > > something clogged in the

> > > > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most

> > > of the stabbing pains

> > > > in my ears and back of my head has gotten

> > better,

> > > but is still here. I

> > > > also don't get the same amount of pain in my

> > face

> > > and jaw. I still

> > > > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My

> > dr.

> > > is not thrilled

> > > > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to

> > > have the fluid

> > > > drained out of both sinuses and something done

> > > with my concha

> > > > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can

> > be

> > > done, as I'm in my

> > > > 7th month of this. Hard to

> > > > believe, it all started out as a cold in July,

> > > 2005 (last summer). Has

> > > > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial

> > > infection that accumulated

> > > > fluid and wouldn't go away?

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

February 5, 2006

Marie,

The injection is Depo Medrol. It's supposed to reduce

inflamation. It's given once a week for 3 weeks and

then a booster is given in 3 months.

--- Marie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote:

>

> spsgroup1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote: Hi, I had

> 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks.

> Unfortunately,

> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still

> feels like it has a

> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something

> clogged in the

> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of

> the stabbing pains

> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better,

> but is still here. I

> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face

> and jaw. I still

> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is

> not thrilled

> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to

> have the fluid

> drained out of both sinuses and something done with

> my concha

> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be

> done, as I'm in my

> 7th month of this. Hard to

> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005

> (last summer). Has

> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection

> that accumulated

> fluid and wouldn't go away?

>

> Can you tell me more about these injections. I am

> currently trying nebulized Trobramycin.

> Marie

>

February 5, 2006

Moni1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote: ,I didn't have a culture. I'm 42 and never had a sinusproblem before, let alone heard of sinusitis untillast summer when it started as what I thought was acold. I live in Northern NJ. I've never had surgery.None of the dr's are in a big rush to do it either.Thanks.--- drgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote:> Have you had a sinus culture? Have you had sinus> surgery and if so did > the problem get worse after surgery? What> state/country are you in?> > > > > >> > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3> weeks. Unfortunately,> > it's of gotten rid of

the problem. My head still> feels like it has a> > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's> something clogged in the> > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most> of the stabbing pains> > in my ears and back of my head has gotten better,> but is still here. I> > also don't get the same amount of pain in my face> and jaw. I still> > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr.> is not thrilled> > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to> have the fluid> > drained out of both sinuses and something done> with my concha> > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be> done, as I'm in my> > 7th month of this. Hard to> > believe, it all started out as a cold in July,> 2005 (last summer). Has> > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial> infection that accumulated> >

fluid and wouldn't go away?> > > >> > > > > > I hope you can avoid surgery. If I had it to do over I never would have consented. It did not cure it. Looking back I think they insisted because I had polyps and had a hard time breathing. They didn't know as much as they do now. If I knew what I know now I would insist on a culture. If you don't the bugs can become resistant and you will have a hard time healing. Also I would go out and get a delivery system for irrigation and use a product called Breath Ease to rinse your sinuses. There is a product that is like a water pic (you can use a water pic). I use a Neti pot which I found a long time ago in a health food store. I like it better than anything I have tried. Marie__________________________________________________

February 5, 2006

Thanks for the reply, I have heard of Wellington Tichnor. I think he wrote a book that I have. I live in Sacramento, CA so it wouldn't be possible to travel to NY for txment. I have used Gentimysin compounded in a saline solution which didn't help. I just got an Rx for Tobramycin that is compounded for a nebulizer. The second time I used it I broke out in a rash. That happed Thurs night and I didn't get the Dr. called yet. I am taking perscription Niacin from another Dr. and after reading I think the rash may have been caused from that as I had a repeat rash yesterday and had not taken the Tobramycin. Tomorrow I will be calling both Drs. to see if I can proceed with the Tobramycin. I am also on a multiple antibiotic therapy for Chlaymidia Pneumonia. It is protocol coming from Vanderbilt U. You can read about it on Cpnhelp.org. Thanks again for the reply. I will go to the website

you suggested. My ENT Dr. has suggested that if the nebulized med doesn't work he may order IV antibiotics. He also talked about more surgery which I am very reluctant to do as it has never helped before. Marie drgaftop <drgaftop@...> wrote: Marie,If you have the resources, you need to make an appt. with Dr. Wellington Tichnor in NY, NY. If there is a way, he will wear his fingers to the knubbs trying to make you well, and he is very qualified. www.sinuses.com . If not, You need aggressive IV treatment. Am I dense, or are you saying that your Pseudomonas are resistant to gentamycin? If so, have you read up on synercid and ketek, I don't know if they cover the pseudomonas?> >> > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> > in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> > also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is

not thrilled> > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> > drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> > 7th month of this. Hard to> > believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> > fluid and wouldn't go away?> > > >> Yes, I got a sinus infection in 1987. Have had several failed surgerys. Have not been without infection since it began. Recently cultured and found resistant Psuedomonas.> Marie> > > > > > > >

February 5, 2006

Hi

My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that

would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known

to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times,

never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they

weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe.

He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by the time they did surgery 7

months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it

out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people

during that time period that had infections that ended up needing

surgery.

The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up

there and cleaning out the gooh.

>

> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks.

Unfortunately,

> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has

a

> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the

> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing

pains

> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still

here. I

> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still

> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled

> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid

> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha

> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in

my

> 7th month of this. Hard to

> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer).

Has

> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that

accumulated

> fluid and wouldn't go away?

>

February 6, 2006

jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has>

anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not only scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar tissue and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting suctions, dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down as many surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never helped me, not one bit and I think has made the problem worse. Marie

- Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

February 6, 2006

jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has>

anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I'm happy to have this discussion going as it reminds me to irrigate and continue f/u. I have grown complacent because nothing has ever seemed to help. I am feeling better now on multiple antibiotic therapy for CFS so it makes me realize that if I could rid my head of infection-well maybe- I could finally get well. Hope is a wonderful thing. Marie

- Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

February 6, 2006

Marie and , What you may be dealing with is chg. negative stash epic stash Epi.This is the bacteria we all colonize on our skins as normal flora. It protects the skin against other pathogens BUT what happens in many of us with dysfunctional immune systems is we develope a problem with Coag. Negative Staph Spi. When a cuture is sent to a lab they thrw away aculture that grows any staph epi, assuming it is normal flora. There is a specialty lab that deals with culturing coag. neg staph epi. It is called Espterix Lab. But the doctor has to specifically ask them to please look for Coag negative staph epi. This is never a pathogen for those with intack immune systems but for those of us with dysfunctional immune systems it can cause great pain and suffering. I know! I've had to deal with it. Carol

In a message dated 2/6/06 2:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, msmabrry@... writes:

jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote:

Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not only scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar tissue and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting suctions, dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down as many surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never helped me, not one bit and I think has made the problem worse.

Marie

February 6, 2006

Moni1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote: Marie,The injection is Depo Medrol. It's supposed to reduceinflamation. It's given once a week for 3 weeks andthen a booster is given in 3 months.--- Marie Mayberry <msmabrry@...> wrote:> > > spsgroup1 <spsgroup1@...> wrote: Hi, I had> 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks.> Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still> feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something> clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of> the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better,> but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face> and

jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is> not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to> have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with> my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be> done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005> (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection> that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> > > > Can you tell me more about these injections. I am> currently trying nebulized Trobramycin.> Marie> > > > >

February 6, 2006

EJFISCH@... wrote: Marie and , What you may be dealing with is chg. negative stash epic stash Epi.This is the bacteria we all colonize on our skins as normal flora. It protects the skin against other pathogens BUT what happens in many of us with dysfunctional immune systems is we develope a problem with Coag. Negative Staph Spi. When a cuture is sent to a lab they thrw away aculture that grows any staph epi, assuming it is normal flora. There is a specialty lab that deals with culturing coag. neg staph epi. It is called Espterix Lab. But the doctor has to specifically ask them to please look for Coag negative staph epi. This is never a pathogen for those with intack immune systems but for those of us with dysfunctional immune systems it can cause

great pain and suffering. I know! I've had to deal with it. Carol In a message dated 2/6/06 2:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, msmabrry@... writes: jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by

the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy.

My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not only scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar tissue and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting suctions, dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down as many surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never helped me, not one bit and I think has made

the problem worse. Marie

- Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

February 6, 2006

EJFISCH@... wrote: Marie and , What you may be dealing with is chg. negative stash epic stash Epi.This is the bacteria we all colonize on our skins as normal flora. It protects the skin against other pathogens BUT what happens in many of us with dysfunctional immune systems is we develope a problem with Coag. Negative Staph Spi. When a cuture is sent to a lab they thrw away aculture that grows any staph epi, assuming it is normal flora. There is a specialty lab that deals with culturing coag. neg staph epi. It is called Espterix Lab. But the doctor has to specifically ask them to please look for Coag negative staph epi. This is never a pathogen for those with intack immune systems but for those of us with dysfunctional immune systems it can cause

great pain and suffering. I know! I've had to deal with it. Carol In a message dated 2/6/06 2:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, msmabrry@... writes: jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote: Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by

the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy.

My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not only scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar tissue and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting suctions, dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down as many surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never helped me, not one bit and I think has made

the problem worse. Marie

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

February 6, 2006

It's perhaps not surprising that the apparent bacterial infection will not culture .only 1% of bacteria will culture ..The underlying cause of chronic sinusitis is a fungal infection ..the fungi elicit a strange immune response, an allergenic response the absence of a normal IR allows other bacterial pathogens to flourish ... I would certainly consider using Antifungal as a probe and then perhaps try duel acting drugs ....

Mayo Clinic researchers have proposed that most chronic sinus infections maybe caused by an immune system response to fungi. * Article in Mayo <http://www.mayo.edu/proceedings/1999/7409a1.pdf>Clinic ProceedingsMany studies here at the Mayo Clinic have added evidence to our thinkingthat chronic rhinosinusitis is caused by an immune reaction to fungi in thenose. Our original study linking chronic rhinosinusitis to fungi in thenose, which was published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings in September 1999,has been reproduced and confirmed by a sinus center in Europe (ENTUniversity Hospital in Graz, Austria).There are currently 16 studies at Mayo Clinic Rochester to furtherinvestigate the role of fungi in inflammatory diseases of the respiratorytract.In addition, researchers from the Allergic Diseases Research Laboratory at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester found that certain white blood cells

called T-Lymphocytes are reacting to the fungi and were producing the kind of inflammation we see in the sinuses, and that healthy people did

not react in that way. This work was presented at the 2001 Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology and

will be published soon.The evidence was so convincing that the National Institute of Health (NIH)has given Mayo Clinic a $2.5 million grant to further investigate the

mechanisms behind this immunologic response to the fungi.If you have chronic sinusitis—that is, a sinus inflammation that persistsfor three months or longer—we recommend that you see your personalphysician or an ear, nose and throat specialist (otorhinolaryngologist) forthe appropriate treatment for this disease. Many times the disease isassociated with asthma or allergies and treatment of those associatedproblems tends to help the chronic sinusitis.Antibiotics don’t help chronic sinusitis in the long run because they targetbacteria, which are not usually the cause of chronic sinusitis.Anti-histamines, nasal steroid sprays and systemic steroids are themainstays of treatment today, depending on the symptoms of the patient.Over-the-counter medications, including salt-water nasal washes and mistsprays, are useful in treating the symptoms of chronic sinusitis, but do noteliminate the inflammation.Dept of OtorhinolaryngologyMayo ClinicRochester, Minnesota

This latest report supports the link with CFS [ME] an

d fungal infectionhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3141773.stm

Stop press information http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040324072619.htm

See Medline 12464951 for results of a study using antifungal drugs to treat sinusitis.

-----Original Message-----From: infections [mailto:infections ]On Behalf Of Marie MayberrySent: 06 February 2006 20:20infections Subject: Re: [infections] Re: Turbinate injections- maxillary sinusitisEJFISCH@... wrote:

Marie and , What you may be dealing with is chg. negative stash epic stash Epi.This is the bacteria we all colonize on our skins as normal flora. It protects the skin against other pathogens BUT what happens in many of us with dysfunctional immune systems is we develope a problem with Coag. Negative Staph Spi. When a cuture is sent to a lab they thrw away aculture that grows any staph epi, assuming it is normal flora. There is a specialty lab that deals with culturing coag. neg staph epi. It is called Espterix Lab. But the doctor has to specifically ask them to please look for Coag negative staph epi. This is never a pathogen for those with intack immune systems but for those of us with dysfunctional immune systems it can cause great pain and suffering. I know! I've had to deal with it. Carol

In a message dated 2/6/06 2:39:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, msmabrry@... writes:

jellybelly92008 <herranenb@...> wrote:

Hi My husband got a sinus infection about a year and a half ago that would not leave and would not culture. He was given every ABX known to work on sinus infections and they cultured itn 3 or 4 times, never came back with anything. I wonder if it wasn't because they weren't looking for the right thing....like yeast maybe. He had 1 sinus cavity infected and by the time they did surgery 7 months later it was 3 sinus cavities. They even tried flushing it out by shoving needles through his face. I knew several people during that time period that had infections that ended up needing surgery.The surgery itself isn't really that bad, it's more, just going up there and cleaning out the gooh.>> Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks. Unfortunately,> it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels like it has a> gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something clogged in the> left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the stabbing pains> in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is still here. I> also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and jaw. I still> fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not thrilled> sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the fluid> drained out of both sinuses and something done with my concha> bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done, as I'm in my> 7th month of this. Hard to> believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last summer). Has> anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that accumulated> fluid and wouldn't go away?> >I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not only scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar tissue and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting suctions, dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down as many surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never helped me, not one bit and I think has made the problem worse.

Marie

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

February 7, 2006

,

I agree somewhat with the Mayo study. However, we aren't always

dealing with cut and dry fungi induced chronic sinusitis. Many have

had surgery, therefore whatever they once had on the sinus mucosa

surface is now disseminated throughout tissue (all that melting pot

of flora), having now become a polymicrobial soft tissue infection

caused by the very surgery performed to cure fungi that could have

used some amphotericin. Then you have the people who didn't have the

surgery, but have had sinusitis so long, maybe from the fungi, but

now after many months or years of immotile cilia have invasive

polymicrobial soft tissue bacterial infections, they having breached

the mucosa, the first line defense. So, for people like who

have shooting pains through the ears, or pain on the skull, fatigue,

etc., vs. stuffy nose with sinus headache, there is likelihood that

their condition is more than advanced past a stage where flushing

with or even IV amphotericin B would cure. I think the first step

should be typical cultures. If that does not work, a thorough quest

for the atypicals that require months or years of abx such as BB

lyme, mycoplasma, chlamydia, etc. EJ mentioned coag neg staph. I can

say that every culture i had came up with coag negative staph

epidermidis. I had two months of vancomycin that got rid of it to

only a scant reading on culture of sinuses and still had cfs. After

months of drugs for cell wall deficient bugs, the cfs lifted, almost

completely. Coag. Neg. staph may or may not be it, but likely along

with something else, in my case mycoplasma, and I hope, nothing else.

> >

> > Hi, I had 3 injections done, once a week for 3 weeks.

> Unfortunately,

> > it's of gotten rid of the problem. My head still feels

like it has

> a

> > gigantic clog. It also feels like there's something

clogged in the

> > left side of my cheek. Over the last month, most of the

stabbing

> pains

> > in my ears and back of my head has gotten better, but is

still

> here. I

> > also don't get the same amount of pain in my face and

jaw. I still

> > fell tired and sick with a lack of energy. My dr. is not

thrilled

> > sounding about doing this procedure. I'd have to have the

fluid

> > drained out of both sinuses and something done with my

concha

> > bullosas. At this point, not sure what else can be done,

as I'm in

> my

> > 7th month of this. Hard to

> > believe, it all started out as a cold in July, 2005 (last

summer).

> Has

> > anyone else had sinusitis from a bacterial infection that

> accumulated

> > fluid and wouldn't go away?

> >

>

> I would disagree that the surgery isn's that bad. They not

only

> scrap junk they take tissue. The end result is a head full of scar

tissue

> and celia that won't self clean your sinuses anymore. Also I think I

> contracted more infections on the table or in the office getting

suctions,

> dx procedures etc. I am a veteran. Four surgeries. Have turned down

as many

> surgeries as I have had and they want to do more. Surgery has never

helped

> me, not one bit and I think has made the problem worse.

> Marie

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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> --

> Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

>

February 7, 2006

I totally agree, Mayo have pronounced most fungal sinusitis as

incurable , They think its a localised infection , we know better, its just

a symptom of a deep seated systemic infection that has downgraded the IS.

Fungi can trigger a bacterial infection & bacteria will trigger a fungal

infection ..Unless we treat realistically as per your mail ,you never get on

top ..my thoughts anyway ...

[infections] Re: Turbinate injections- maxillary

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