Spot Reducing - Biosignature Modulation

November 5, 2006

Milos Sarcev (IFBB Pro Bodybuilder/Mr.Olympia competitor) used Poliquins

Biosignature Modulation (spot reduction) with great results- For those of you

who dont know Milos he is one of the most knowledgable bodybuilders of all time

(diet, suppplements and knowing how to get lean!). If you ever talked to Milos

you'd swear he is a MD/PhD.

Lets face it; serious bodybuilders spend a great deal of the their lives

worrying about bodyfat.They are far more aware if they are getting fatter

whether its the abs, glutes, triceps than powerlifters, olympic lifters or the

average gym rat.

Milos flew into Poliquin's Center approximately five years ago to seek advice

on getting his ab region leaner. pointed out to Milos that he could tell

precisely (by measuring bodyfat with calipers) what was going on in his body.

At first Milos didn't believe him until he observed many of his clients

(himself included) that he was correct most of the time. ' supplement and

nutrition protocol worked very effectively for Milos.

Milos was so pleased he sent his female IFBB competitor friend to for

recommendation on leaning down her gluteal region. Within a couple of months she

managed to lean out in those exact areas. Milos also has many more friends and

clients that used Poliquin's system with great results!

There's no question that has quite a following and many have used his

systems with great results. Its tough to argue with his training concepts

because they have worked for many.

Joe

Scituate, MA

It was written:

Dr. Fahey,

<<<In lieu of this study, what sort of exercises do you recommend for

the average person who wants to spot reduce belly fat? Can you

recommend a way to zero in on your stomach with high rep and high

weights?>>

Thank you,

,

Los Angeles, CA

>

> Here is an excerpt from one of my research report columns for

Muscular

> Development magazine (lay bodybuilding magazine). The Danish study

> showed that exercise mobilized fat in adipose tissue in close

proximity

> to active muscles. It may be only a short term effect, but the

study

> was extremely interesting.

>

> Does Spot Reducing Work?

> For years scientist told athletes that spot reducing doesnâ?Tt

work. For

> example, you canâ?Tt lose arm fat by doing curls and triceps

extensions.

> These conclusions were based on volumetric studies that estimated

> changes in lean mass and fat in the arms and legs following weeks

of

> specific exercises in those areas. Danish researchers, led by Dr.

Bente

> Stallknecht from the Panum Institute in Copenhagen, showed that

spot

> reducing is effective. They used radioactive tracers (133Xe) to

measure

> changes in fat mass during high rep knee extensions, which is more

> sensitive than measuring density changes in the arms and legs. They

> studied blood flow and fat breakdown in fat tissue adjacent to

working

> muscles and in fat tissue around inactive muscles in the other leg.

> After 30 minutes of doing knee extensions with one leg, they

switched

> legs and did knee extensions for 120 minutes using more weight.

Blood

> flow and fat breakdown were greatest around the working muscles.

They

> concluded that specific exercises could cause â?ospot reducingâ?

because

> blood flow and fat use was higher in adipose (fat) tissue adjacent

to

> working muscles. Spot reducing was most effective at higher

intensities

> because it generated more heat in the muscles and triggered a

higher

> release of catecholamines (fight or flight hormones, such as

> adrenaline). This is an exciting study for bodybuilders that

overturned

> long-standing beliefs about spot reducing. The take-home message is

> that spot reducing works. High rep, high weight exercises reduce

local

> fat stores best.

> (American Journal Physiology Endocrinology Metabolism in press,

> published online September 19, 2006)

November 6, 2006

So far you're right about exactly one thing, Joe. We PL are more concerned

with how much weight we are lifting, the PERFORMANCE of it all. However, we

do actually concern ourselves with maximizing the performance for our weight

class, so you're wrong about PL not caring about our bodyfat. Matter of

fact, an examination of elite PL below the shw level might be quite

interesting. Still waiting for a BB to point out to me the fat 97 lb class

females and how those 114 lb males could use a lower bf level...<grin>. The

theory of the FAT PL being still VERY generally entertaining. OL are

concerned with similar values, and we're all very concerned with which

weight class we are lifting in too. Key point still being these are

PERFORMANCE sports, not appearance beauty pageants....<grin>.

Right. As an IFBB Pro bodybuilder, and with the Weider admissions on

Discovery Channel on camera, and the comments by Craig Titus and other

professional BB on camera, CAN MILOS PASS A DRUG TEST? I don't think so.

Weider stated ALL pros bb are using steroids. Nice of him to finally tell

us what we've already sorted out, officially <grin>.

Steroids and the many other kitchen sink drug list of supplements, and

banned substances under WADA employed by professional bodybuilders, coupled

with the GENES needed to succeed as a bb, would far outweigh any such

SYSTEM.

My opinion here is that you would need to have a large sampling of athletes

from all types of sports, and you would need them to be drug free and elite

athletes to convince me of ANY such spot reducing system working! Matter of

fact, that would be the ONE way to convince me. Double blind, study over

time, on methods - and with strict testing, diet following, and sufficient

screening to be SURE they had people who were clear of any such influence.

Also some indicator that it overcomes GENES as the likely overally indicator

of success - which would be difficult. Say he could succeed with JOE

AVERAGE? Someone who was not blessed with freaky genes, and didn't do

steroids, or anything they would not be likely to under WADA... if he could

spot reduce that guy or say, Joan Average, even more importantly, then I'd

think it was possibly going to work....

Just because someone is followed doesn't mean their methods truly work or

make sense. Mel and I agreed strongly to disagree with Mr. Chek for

example, and he certainly has a following and has a lot of sales of his

product and people wobbling about in various ways. I don't follow

somebody's programs just cause Everybody else does....<grin>.

I also sincerely doubt his " female ifbb friend " could pass that drug test

either, Joe. Adding steroids to a gal is hardly a good test of any fat

reduction program, it really isn't going to be similar to your standard

estrogen-based FEMALE not using such things! Reference the other posting on

the Obesity, apparently females are more vulnerable to body fat retention.

Ones not using a ton of steroids, that is... If one was going to convert a

born female to a male, one would start by adding a lot of steroids to the

mix. It therefore follows that such a person might find it easier to reduce

bodyfat generally than a woman NOT using steroids.

The tendencies of pro bb of both genders to endorse products and programs

for pay has not escaped me. Matter of fact, I'm entertained by the many

such things that allegedly miraculously MADE them winners....naturally not

one word as to the reality that the majority of their " success " can be

directly attributable to having the right parents AND steroids.... hardly

the latest creatine product, or eating a mass gainer whey...

It's not tough to argue with Mr. Poliquin's methods as so far I have yet to

see sufficient basis to say he truly HAS THEM! Mel himself argued with the

TUT used by Mr. Poliquin. Care to enlighten us as to the " magic herbs " ? And

the alleged spot reduction?

[Moderator: I have included details from Poliquin's website concerning

Biosignature Modulation **]

Let's just say there's more than a need for proof here, remember BALCO and

their above board product? They had everyone claiming it was what gave them

faster times, bigger home run production, etc...and the reality was, genes

plus steroids and GH were at the base of their successes.... Just because

they claim that's what gave them the results, does not mean it was at the

foot of it. Without a peer reviewed, complete rundown of this whole spot

reducing " system " I won't buy in to the " success " . So far, you've told me

it's in the same league with OTHER " miracles " of the bodybuilding industry!

Oh and another thing. " Within a couple of months she managed to lean out

those exact areas " . Well, wouldn't a bb NORMALLY lean out over a " couple of

months " using a ripping diet anyway? C'mon! And what about her overall

bodyfat level, there's no comment about that!

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

==========

***

Biosignature Modulation by Milo Sarcez taken from www.charlespoliquin.net:

<<<....1.) High - lower body (upper thigh skin fold and gluteal fold) fat

measurements, indicate high amounts of so-called Alpha-2-receptors, (more common

in women) plus high levels of estrogens.

The recommended treatment for this would be yohimbine which is available at any

health food shop. Yohimbine is extracted from the bark of yohimbe trees and it’s

a selective alpha –2 antagonist.

By locally blocking alpha-2 receptors we maximize fat loss, and minimize fat

accumulation.

Yohimbine cream is definitely a better choice because oral delivery of yohimbine

could result in systematically high blood levels that could have dangerous side

effects on the heart and the CNS (central nervous system).

Yohimbine cream would also increase peripheral blood flow....

also suggested the supplement indole-3-carbinol, (found in Broccoli type

vegetables) as an estrogen detoxifier, as well as isoflavones (diadzein and

genistein) found in soy beans.

Even though these isoflavones show estrogenic properties, (therefore classified

as phytoestrogens) in this instance they would act as anti-estrogens. It is

somewhat confusing, but simply put, if there is not enough estrogens in the

tissues, diadzein and genistein would bind to estrogen receptors producing an

estogen-like response (not good!). However, if there is a presence of excess

estrogens, (a known characteristic for this group) they would bind to its

receptors, creating an anti-estrogenic effect.

(2.) High umbilical (abdominal) skin fold measurements alarmed health care

professionals because one study consisting of 30,000 women over a period of 12

years discovered that women with higher umbilical fat measurements, (abdominal

fat accumulation) were more likely to develop heart disease than other ordinary

overweight women. As I mentioned before, this group had to deal with high stress

and chronically elevated cortisol. The popular supplement phosphatydylserine has

shown a dramatic reduction of circulating cortisol, (as well as improved mood,

memory, and motivation – to fight stress and depression)....

(3.) People with a high, mid-axillary ( upper outer lat region) fat measurement,

usually have some form of thyroid problem.

This year during my contest preparation for the New York Night of the Champions,

and Hungarian GP, I experienced certain thyroid problems myself which resulted

in me turning up at these shows with a “softer looking back”.

The supplements that I recommend to treat this particular problem are:

Guggulsterones (a compound of herb Guggul) which stimulates synthesis of T3,

active form of thyroid hormone. Also a good choice would be a Bladerwrack a

natural source of Iodine, Zinc and Selenenium – all responsible for thyroid

hormone production..Finally, Ashwaganda (withania somnfera) and Coleus root( a

member of the mint family) both used frequently to stimulate the thyroid gland.

(4) If a supra iliac (love handles) skin fold is high, then the person could

have a circulating insulin problem, so a Low Carbohydrate diet is recommended

here. Take frequent smaller meals, consisting of essential fats and high fiber.

Supplements such as fenugreek and flax seeds will control levels of blood sugar

and insulin.

So, there you have it. I hope you find some logic and rationale behind all this,

because I would be the first one to admit that I didn’t think much of

Biosignature Modulation, until my own personal experiences, coincided with the

theory.>>>>

November 6, 2006

Consider that the entire medical, scientific, and

exercise community says that spot reduction does not

work. So a new, practical, method of spot reduction

would be a revolutionary discovery. If the same person

also discovered new theories of muscle building

through time under tension that would be truly

astonishing. Then again that same person discovers how

shortages of hydrocloric acid are causing muscle loss

in the entire population of the USA. Clearly a nobel

prize must be coming. All that is needed is publishing

three scientific papers. Einstein did it in 1905.

Maybe time to do it again.

Mark Glatzer

New York, N.Y USA

--- Schaefer

wrote:

> So far you're right about exactly one thing, Joe.

> We PL are more concerned

> with how much weight we are lifting, the PERFORMANCE

> of it all. However, we

> do actually concern ourselves with maximizing the

> performance for our weight

> class, so you're wrong about PL not caring about our

> bodyfat. Matter of

> fact, an examination of elite PL below the shw level

> might be quite

> interesting. Still waiting for a BB to point out to

> me the fat 97 lb class

> females and how those 114 lb males could use a lower

> bf level...<grin>. The

> theory of the FAT PL being still VERY generally

> entertaining. OL are

> concerned with similar values, and we're all very

> concerned with which

> weight class we are lifting in too. Key point still

> being these are

> PERFORMANCE sports, not appearance beauty

> pageants....<grin>.

>

> Right. As an IFBB Pro bodybuilder, and with the

> Weider admissions on

> Discovery Channel on camera, and the comments by

> Craig Titus and other

> professional BB on camera, CAN MILOS PASS A DRUG

> TEST? I don't think so.

> Weider stated ALL pros bb are using steroids. Nice

> of him to finally tell

> us what we've already sorted out, officially <grin>.

>

> Steroids and the many other kitchen sink drug list

> of supplements, and

> banned substances under WADA employed by

> professional bodybuilders, coupled

> with the GENES needed to succeed as a bb, would far

> outweigh any such

> SYSTEM.

>

> My opinion here is that you would need to have a

> large sampling of athletes

> from all types of sports, and you would need them to

> be drug free and elite

> athletes to convince me of ANY such spot reducing

> system working! Matter of

> fact, that would be the ONE way to convince me.

> Double blind, study over

> time, on methods - and with strict testing, diet

> following, and sufficient

> screening to be SURE they had people who were clear

> of any such influence.

> Also some indicator that it overcomes GENES as the

> likely overally indicator

> of success - which would be difficult. Say he could

> succeed with JOE

> AVERAGE? Someone who was not blessed with freaky

> genes, and didn't do

> steroids, or anything they would not be likely to

> under WADA... if he could

> spot reduce that guy or say, Joan Average, even more

> importantly, then I'd

> think it was possibly going to work....

>

> Just because someone is followed doesn't mean their

> methods truly work or

> make sense. Mel and I agreed strongly to disagree

> with Mr. Chek for

> example, and he certainly has a following and has a

> lot of sales of his

> product and people wobbling about in various ways.

> I don't follow

> somebody's programs just cause Everybody else

> does....<grin>.

>

> I also sincerely doubt his " female ifbb friend "

> could pass that drug test

> either, Joe. Adding steroids to a gal is hardly a

> good test of any fat

> reduction program, it really isn't going to be

> similar to your standard

> estrogen-based FEMALE not using such things!

> Reference the other posting on

> the Obesity, apparently females are more vulnerable

> to body fat retention.

> Ones not using a ton of steroids, that is... If one

> was going to convert a

> born female to a male, one would start by adding a

> lot of steroids to the

> mix. It therefore follows that such a person might

> find it easier to reduce

> bodyfat generally than a woman NOT using steroids.

>

> The tendencies of pro bb of both genders to endorse

> products and programs

> for pay has not escaped me. Matter of fact, I'm

> entertained by the many

> such things that allegedly miraculously MADE them

> winners....naturally not

> one word as to the reality that the majority of

> their " success " can be

> directly attributable to having the right parents

> AND steroids.... hardly

> the latest creatine product, or eating a mass gainer

> whey...

>

> It's not tough to argue with Mr. Poliquin's methods

> as so far I have yet to

> see sufficient basis to say he truly HAS THEM! Mel

> himself argued with the

> TUT used by Mr. Poliquin. Care to enlighten us as

> to the " magic herbs " ? And

> the alleged spot reduction?

>

> [Moderator: I have included details from

> Poliquin's website concerning Biosignature

> Modulation **]

>

> Let's just say there's more than a need for proof

> here, remember BALCO and

> their above board product? They had everyone

> claiming it was what gave them

> faster times, bigger home run production, etc...and

> the reality was, genes

> plus steroids and GH were at the base of their

> successes.... Just because

> they claim that's what gave them the results, does

> not mean it was at the

> foot of it. Without a peer reviewed, complete

> rundown of this whole spot

> reducing " system " I won't buy in to the " success " .

> So far, you've told me

> it's in the same league with OTHER " miracles " of the

> bodybuilding industry!

>

> Oh and another thing. " Within a couple of months

> she managed to lean out

> those exact areas " . Well, wouldn't a bb NORMALLY

> lean out over a " couple of

> months " using a ripping diet anyway? C'mon! And

> what about her overall

> bodyfat level, there's no comment about that!

>

> The Phantom

> aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

> Denver, Colorado, USA

>

> ==========

> ***

> Biosignature Modulation by Milo Sarcez taken from

> www.charlespoliquin.net:

>

> <<<....1.) High - lower body (upper thigh skin fold

> and gluteal fold) fat measurements, indicate high

> amounts of so-called Alpha-2-receptors, (more common

> in women) plus high levels of estrogens.

>

> The recommended treatment for this would be

> yohimbine which is available at any health food

> shop. Yohimbine is extracted from the bark of

> yohimbe trees and it’s a selective alpha –2

> antagonist.

> By locally blocking alpha-2 receptors we maximize

> fat loss, and minimize fat accumulation.

>

> Yohimbine cream is definitely a better choice

> because oral delivery of yohimbine could result in

> systematically high blood levels that could have

> dangerous side effects on the heart and the CNS

> (central nervous system).

>

> Yohimbine cream would also increase peripheral blood

> flow....

>

> also suggested the supplement

> indole-3-carbinol, (found in Broccoli type

> vegetables) as an estrogen detoxifier, as well as

> isoflavones (diadzein and genistein) found in soy

> beans.

> Even though these isoflavones show estrogenic

> properties, (therefore classified as phytoestrogens)

> in this instance they would act as anti-estrogens.

> It is somewhat confusing, but simply put, if there

> is not enough estrogens in the tissues, diadzein and

> genistein would bind to estrogen receptors producing

> an estogen-like response (not good!). However, if

> there is a presence of excess estrogens, (a known

> characteristic for this group) they would bind to

> its receptors, creating an anti-estrogenic effect.

>

> (2.) High umbilical (abdominal) skin fold

> measurements alarmed health care professionals

> because one study consisting of 30,000 women over a

> period of 12 years discovered that women with higher

> umbilical fat measurements, (abdominal fat

> accumulation) were more likely to develop heart

> disease than other ordinary overweight women. As I

> mentioned before, this group had to deal with high

> stress and chronically elevated cortisol. The

> popular supplement phosphatydylserine has shown a

> dramatic

=== message truncated ===

November 6, 2006

Sarcev also has a bit of a reputation to know his way around not so

legal substances. That being said, I found an article about it on

Poliquins website: http://charlespoliquin.com/members/modules.php?

name=News & file=article & sid=40

I really don't know what to think about it though.

Regards,

Johan Bastiaansen

Deurne, Belgium

> >

> > Here is an excerpt from one of my research report columns for

> Muscular

> > Development magazine (lay bodybuilding magazine). The Danish

study

> > showed that exercise mobilized fat in adipose tissue in close

> proximity

> > to active muscles. It may be only a short term effect, but the

> study

> > was extremely interesting.

> >

> > Does Spot Reducing Work?

> > For years scientist told athletes that spot reducing doesnâ?Tt

> work. For

> > example, you canâ?Tt lose arm fat by doing curls and triceps

> extensions.

> > These conclusions were based on volumetric studies that estimated

> > changes in lean mass and fat in the arms and legs following weeks

> of

> > specific exercises in those areas. Danish researchers, led by Dr.

> Bente

> > Stallknecht from the Panum Institute in Copenhagen, showed that

> spot

> > reducing is effective. They used radioactive tracers (133Xe) to

> measure

> > changes in fat mass during high rep knee extensions, which is

more

> > sensitive than measuring density changes in the arms and legs.

They

> > studied blood flow and fat breakdown in fat tissue adjacent to

> working

> > muscles and in fat tissue around inactive muscles in the other

leg.

> > After 30 minutes of doing knee extensions with one leg, they

> switched

> > legs and did knee extensions for 120 minutes using more weight.

> Blood

> > flow and fat breakdown were greatest around the working muscles.

> They

> > concluded that specific exercises could cause â?ospot reducingâ?

> because

> > blood flow and fat use was higher in adipose (fat) tissue

adjacent

> to

> > working muscles. Spot reducing was most effective at higher

> intensities

> > because it generated more heat in the muscles and triggered a

> higher

> > release of catecholamines (fight or flight hormones, such as

> > adrenaline). This is an exciting study for bodybuilders that

> overturned

> > long-standing beliefs about spot reducing. The take-home message

is

> > that spot reducing works. High rep, high weight exercises reduce

> local

> > fat stores best.

> > (American Journal Physiology Endocrinology Metabolism in press,

> > published online September 19, 2006)

>

November 6, 2006

Let me rephrase what I wrote. Many Olympic weight lifters + powerlifters are

concerned about their weight and body fat-(lower body fat usually means lighter

body weight <smile>). But there not as obsessed like most bodybuilders! Most

bodybuilder can loose 2mm (calipers) on the supra iliac and notice, most power

lifters will not.

I am very aware of weight classes I was a competitive wrestler. Despite

" sucking weight " I never remember obsession with specific body parts and fat

storage on certain sites like most bodybuilders.

Milos and his female bodybuilder friend used steroids--big deal they all do

it, especially at that level.

The two example I gave you; most likely Milos and his friend have been using

steroids for years. For years they had trouble getting lean on certain areas of

there body (for Milo's it was the abs and for his firend it was the

Glutes)-Milo's heard about this " Quack " Poliquin and flew to Phoenix to see him.

More than likely they were on steroids before Poliquin and most likely after.

I no one thing it worked-at least for them.

This past year I spent somewhere around twenty thousand dollars taking

seminars (travel, air, hotel, courses, etc) I attended Mel's last Supertraining

Camp-. I'm not a " Chekie " or do I follow everything I've learned from -I

use bits and pieces from many.

I understand this site is about challenging the best whether you're Mel,

Yessis, Poliquin or whomever-being challenged is the only way the industry is

going to get better.- Anyone can be challenged and no one is completely right.

However, I would like to point out that some members <smile> get very " worked

up " when they here the names Chek or Poliquin -Theres one thing for

sure many of Poliqin and Chek's (maybe not all) clients think highly of them.

Not to mention there are thousands of people from all over the world (maybe not

all) that use what they have learned with great results.

If one sat down with any popular strength coach such as Dave Tate, Poliquin,

or Chek and really talked to them a lot of things you thought about them

wouldn't be necessarily true. Like says, " When I write a book I'm

writing for 70% of the population. "

Another example would be thinking Dave Tate hated Olympic Lifting, which is

not the case. He can't deny ( " puddings in the proof " ) that Olympic lifters can

jump higher and sprint faster than most professionals and that they must be

doing something right. If you were going to talk to Chek (which I haven't) I'm

sure his explanation of drawing in the belly button might be different than what

his interns have been telling you.

has been doing the Biosignature for a number of years (he's a stickler

in keeping accurate journals) he has found certain patterns on where you store

fat and what might be going on hormonally. Would he tell you the system is the

best in the world? NO. Would he tell you its perfect? NO. He's changing the

program all the time. Would he tell you it has worked for all? NO-Would he tell

you it has worked for many?YES.

Joe

Sports Performance

Scituate, MA

============

Schaefer wrote:

<<<<So far you're right about exactly one thing, Joe. We PL are more

concerned