Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 >I presume you've checked her for diabetes? I haven't checked her myself but she has been checked both with blood test and urinalysis by her GP within the last three months (also a more recent urinalysis) - sorry, should have put that in the first email Re: excessive urination > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 I presume you've checked her for diabetes? > excessive urination > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:24:55 -0000 > > > hello all > I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly > overweight and has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop > weeing - she needs to get up 8 times in the night and cannot go out > easily during the day. I have been treating her for three months > now and she has lost a stone in weight, feels much better and has > more energy - she had suffered from constant leg pains but these > are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving overall. > She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and > initially I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of > fluid retention with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is > causing sleep problems and she is despairing now. > I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau > d'arco, kelp and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no > more than 1-11/2 litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and > is drinking ginger tea (maybe 2 cups daily) > Any ideas as to how I could help her please as she has done so well > in all the dietary changes she has made and I would hate for her to > give up now > many thanks > Herbert > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 ... I believe that Interstitial Cystitis (non-infectious) and " irritable bladder syndrome " are part of the " picture " in CFS... perhaps including anti-inflammatories (i.e. Boswellia, Turmeric, etc) and smooth muscle relaxants (i.e. Viburnum, etc) could be helpful for her. If she is overweight, you may suggest investigating for Diabetes, as frequent urination may be an early sign. Is she very thirsty, despite water intake? Perhaps also having her kidney function tested might be indicated, too. Just to cover all the bases.... Have you done any urinalysis testing? Cheers, Tami NJ USA > I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly overweight and > has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop weeing - she needs to get > up 8 times in the night and cannot go out easily during the day. I have > been treating her for three months now and she has lost a stone in weight, > feels much better and has more energy - she had suffered from constant leg > pains but these are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving > overall. > She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and initially > I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of fluid retention > with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is causing sleep problems and > she is despairing now. > I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau d'arco, kelp > and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no more than 1-11/2 > litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and is drinking ginger tea > (maybe 2 cups daily) > Herbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 When considering diabetes - consider insipidus, which, I believe, will not show on urinalysis... -- Benn Abdy- MCPP Medical Herbalist Windsor & London 0 or 07957 65 88 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Dear all, Does any one know of a supplier of Gingko 2:1 thanks, sally moorcroft > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list >To: ukherbal-list >Subject: Re: excessive urination >Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:33:30 +0800 > >I presume you've checked her for diabetes? > > > excessive urination > > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:24:55 -0000 > > > > > > hello all > > I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly > > overweight and has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop > > weeing - she needs to get up 8 times in the night and cannot go out > > easily during the day. I have been treating her for three months > > now and she has lost a stone in weight, feels much better and has > > more energy - she had suffered from constant leg pains but these > > are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving overall. > > She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and > > initially I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of > > fluid retention with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is > > causing sleep problems and she is despairing now. > > I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau > > d'arco, kelp and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no > > more than 1-11/2 litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and > > is drinking ginger tea (maybe 2 cups daily) > > Any ideas as to how I could help her please as she has done so well > > in all the dietary changes she has made and I would hate for her to > > give up now > > many thanks > > Herbert > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Hi and Benn I think diabetes insipidus would show on urinalysis as a low specific gravity of less than 1.005. regards Sue Salmon Huddersfield Re: excessive urination > When considering diabetes - consider insipidus, which, I believe, will > not show on urinalysis... > -- > Benn Abdy- MCPP > Medical Herbalist > Windsor & London > 0 or 07957 65 88 90 > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Dear Emmett according to her GP she does not have diabetes - I had considered that - and I sent a follow on email to that effect - maybe you didn't receive it regards excessive urination > > >> hello all >> I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly overweight and >> has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop weeing - she needs to >> get >> up 8 times in the night and cannot go out easily during the day. I have >> been treating her for three months now and she has lost a stone in >> weight, >> feels much better and has more energy - she had suffered from constant >> leg >> pains but these are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving >> overall. >> She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and >> initially >> I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of fluid retention >> with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is causing sleep problems >> and >> she is despairing now. >> I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau d'arco, >> kelp >> and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no more than 1-11/2 >> litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and is drinking ginger tea >> (maybe 2 cups daily) >> Any ideas as to how I could help her please as she has done so well in >> all >> the dietary changes she has made and I would hate for her to give up now >> many thanks >> Herbert >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 pituitary tumour? ==================================================== nne Last BA MNIMH Consultant Medical Herbalist Monmouth, Newport and Abergavenny Tel: 01600 719497 www.mariannelast.co.uk excessive urination hello all I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly overweight and has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop weeing - she needs to get up 8 times in the night and cannot go out easily during the day. I have been treating her for three months now and she has lost a stone in weight, feels much better and has more energy - she had suffered from constant leg pains but these are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving overall. She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and initially I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of fluid retention with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is causing sleep problems and she is despairing now. I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau d'arco, kelp and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no more than 1-11/2 litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and is drinking ginger tea (maybe 2 cups daily) Any ideas as to how I could help her please as she has done so well in all the dietary changes she has made and I would hate for her to give up now many thanks Herbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 UR PT HAS DIABETES Emmett Walsh excessive urination > hello all > I am treating a lady with longstanding CFS who is grossly overweight and > has, for the last 6 weeks, not been able to stop weeing - she needs to get > up 8 times in the night and cannot go out easily during the day. I have > been treating her for three months now and she has lost a stone in weight, > feels much better and has more energy - she had suffered from constant leg > pains but these are now improved, so I felt she was slowly improving > overall. > She has copious urine every time, with no irritation or pain and initially > I felt it was fine as she obviously had a fair amount of fluid retention > with puffy legs and ankles etc - howver this is causing sleep problems and > she is despairing now. > I am currently giving her withania, cinnamon, tinosporia, pau d'arco, kelp > and nettle - and she is drinking mostly water but no more than 1-11/2 > litres daily - she has stopped tea and coffee, and is drinking ginger tea > (maybe 2 cups daily) > Any ideas as to how I could help her please as she has done so well in all > the dietary changes she has made and I would hate for her to give up now > many thanks > Herbert > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Have you considered hyperparathyroidism/diabetes mellitus/diabetes insipidus? Bullen MNIMH, MCPP SE London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I'm sorry I've lost track of where the original query originated for this patient. If the tests for diabetes etc. are negative may I suggest a possible explanation and solution? I believe you said your patient was overweight and was working at this with diet etc. Have I remembered that right? And that she had lost weight as a result? If she has put herself on a high fruit and veg. diet one of the things that will happen, quite rapidly is that the body will begin to replace excessive amounts of Na in the cells with that wonderful stuff potassium from all the fruit and veg. The effect of this is that where unhealthy food has caused the retention of water and Na (after all if cells are full of rubbish the body tries to dilute this to minimize damage). Once replacement begins the healthy body cannot wait to get rid of the unhealthy stuff. Vast quantities of urine, usually with high levels of Na in it will be eliminated. This may be what is happening with your patient. The problem is that in this case her body may have gone a little bit too enthusiastically at the elimination thus causing sleepless nights from urination. So- the solution. Slow down the process of detoxification, increase a little the protein content in her diet. Add a little fish or about 200gr. Per day of low or non-fat yoghurt. Not excessive amount or the good work done so far may grind to a halt but enough to slow down the excessive level and give her good nights sleep. Let us know if this is of any use. Thanks, Allshorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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