Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 , I did a goggle search for " prolotherapy " , not be familiar with it--hehehheee, interesting NEW label! It sounds to me that prolotherapy is simply what has long been called, " counter-irritation " . My, how new words can change the connotation of old treatments! The site, I read did not say anything about using a local anesthetic such as lidocaine, but it did mention the use of a dextrose solution injectable. I would find the use of something like lidocaine very suspicious. This would deaden the pain through a mechanism completely separate from the true spirit of prolotherapy or counterirritation. A common experiment which wonderfully demonstrates the value of counterirritation: what does one do naturally when one has an itch, an insect bite, or any abrupt injury to the body? Almost invariably, one scratches in the case of an itch or rubs briskly in the case of other injuries. What you have is instantaneous counter irritation applied with your self inflicted scratches or rubbing actions. It feels better. Counterirritation simply works whether physically or chemically applied. Counterirritation is the application of a secondary man-made irritant to the site of the original injury, the primary irritant. Traditional counterirritation applications were done with mineral/herbal irritants, massage, firing irons, setons, etc. All different degrees of irritation have been used and prescribed ranging from the mild stimulating properties of a body wash to the extreme burns perpetrated by mineral blisters or the firing iron (in veterinary medicine). This degree of applied therapeutic irritation has always been a much debated controversy. How much is beneficial and how much is barbaric? I have yet to see any scientific studies trying to demonstrate why counterirritation works. Many texts will honestly say up front that no one knows for sure how it works. I have only found possible theories thrown around. It is generally thought and rightfully so, that the therapeutic effects come from the secondary inflammation which is generated from the applied irritant. You will have vasodilation or increased blood flow as a primary reaction. Accordingly, you will have a cleansing of any toxic byproducts, blood vessel permeability/leaking, an increase in various leukocytes aiding in the healing process, a wide array of enzymes being released. It has long been known that an inadequate blood supply to the injured area will retard proper inflammation and, thus, healing. This theory does not satisfactorily explain why there is often a pain relieving benefit from counterirritation. As with most physiological processes, nothing is ever as simple as it seems. So what I am saying here is that it is not necessary to be injected with sugar water to obtain counter-irritation. The word, prolotherapy, is simply a modern cosmetic term for a very old practice. There are many herbal, physical, and mechanical procedures that can replace injected sugar water. doug Prolotherapy Replacement? > My mother is looking into prolotherapy which she's heard is a great treatment for pain, but can't find anyone to do this. It consists of injecting small amounts of local anesthetic (lidocaine etc) and sugar water into trigger points associated with the pain. The injected dextrose acts as an irritant which causes inflammation that the body then theoretically heals, along with whatever was causing the pain in the first place. This is per a book by Darrell Stoddard called Pain Free for Life: How to Heal Yourself Naturally without Drugs or Surgery. > > Was wondering if DMSO was mixed with sucrose could this work? > > Recently ordered the two books (DMSO & MSM) and am anxiously awaiting them! > > Thanks in advance, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 DMSO often takes the place of needles for accomplishing administration. It just might work to deliver the dextrose instead of a needle. Hope you report any results if you try this. I am certain you will enjoy the books. Dr is also working on another book. Not sure when it will be out though. Garnet > My mother is looking into prolotherapy which she's heard is a great treatment for pain, but can't find anyone to do this. It consists of injecting small amounts of local anesthetic (lidocaine etc) and sugar water into trigger points associated with the pain. The injected dextrose acts as an irritant which causes inflammation that the body then theoretically heals, along with whatever was causing the pain in the first place. This is per a book by Darrell Stoddard called Pain Free for Life: How to Heal Yourself Naturally without Drugs or Surgery. > > Was wondering if DMSO was mixed with sucrose could this work? > > Recently ordered the two books (DMSO & MSM) and am anxiously awaiting them! > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Wonderful information Doug! Thanks and welcome to the DMSO list. Just to let the list members know, Doug owns the Equine Herbal List on Yahoo and has 40 years experience with horses. Please feel free to post the link to you list Doug and tell us more about yourself. Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Garnet, Thanks for the kind welcome! Yes, if there are any horse people on your list interested in discussing veterinary herbal protocols, feel free to join my list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/equineherbal/ My personal website, www.racehorseherbal.com I have done little else but study and work with the equine in my life for good or bad. After receiving a B.S. in Agriculture from the University of Missouri, I set out training horses, primarily race horses. My training career came to a halt on one sunny morning in August of 1994. A thoroughbred, I was galloping went down and I with him. I never walked again. So goes life, I guess. If one flies like a bird, one must accept the consequences of falling like one as well. Being in the horse business, I was introduced to DMSO back in the mid-1970s and have used it in one form or another ever since, daily. A unique substance that is far underestimated by most medical professionals and herbalists. I am currently utilizing DMSO as a menstruum in the formulation of herbal tinctures. Not only does DMSO offer its superb solvent characteristics for the extraction of medicinal herbal properties, but once extracted, it is a superb vehicle for the administration of those medicinal components into the body. DMSO can be applied topically, taken orally, and injected IV, IM, and Subcu. doug Re: Prolotherapy Replacement? > Wonderful information Doug! Thanks and welcome to the DMSO list. > > Just to let the list members know, Doug owns the Equine Herbal List on > Yahoo and has 40 years experience with horses. > > Please feel free to post the link to you list Doug and tell us more > about yourself. > > Garnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 I had prolotherapy done on my back in Utah, I have a totally ruptered S1, inner and outer disk. They wanted to put some kind of cage around it. I was like hey I have dealt with this for nearly 10 years (after the initial injury that caused it, I fell out of a huge tree and landed on one leg, shattering ~3 " of it and compressing the disk) Went thru the chiro crap just made it worse, they ordered an MRI. I have arthirits in the bottom three Ls from the one leg being a little shorter, and the S1 and L5 disks are damaged, with the S1 being severe. With the news i sought alternative. I hooked up with an Accupunturist/Neurologist at a pain management clinic. They did about 10 sessions of prolotherapy and a few other things.......Worked wonders, never been better, well at least in the last 10 years. The daily pain I dealt with has subsided from a near constant 8 to a very occaisional 3. Their site is painmed.com they have been mentioned in several magizines and such. Very good work. Forget the surgery's, and chiro's can't fix it all by themselves. Don't know about the DMSO approach, I am sure that it would help a bit just on its own, diluted a bit of course. Donny > My mother is looking into prolotherapy which she's heard is a great treatment for pain, but can't find anyone to do this. It consists of injecting small amounts of local anesthetic (lidocaine etc) and sugar water into trigger points associated with the pain. The injected dextrose acts as an irritant which causes inflammation that the body then theoretically heals, along with whatever was causing the pain in the first place. This is per a book by Darrell Stoddard called Pain Free for Life: How to Heal Yourself Naturally without Drugs or Surgery. > > Was wondering if DMSO was mixed with sucrose could this work? > > Recently ordered the two books (DMSO & MSM) and am anxiously awaiting them! > > Thanks in advance, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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