Re: Salivary gland stone

[Guest guest]

Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve

stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let

you know if it works!

Fidler

--- Sabine Hiller wrote:

> Hi everybody,

>

> i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone

> is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk

> of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a

> second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with

> a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take

> yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few

> risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to

> avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters

> to help move stone into duct so it could be removed

> somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help

> dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this

> successfully before, what dietary advice did you

> give, if any?

>

> Any advice would be much appreciated!

> Many thanks!

> Sabine

>

>

> Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist

> Knockrooskey

> Westport

> Co.Mayo

> Tel. 098-35909

> herbalist@...

>

>

>

>

>

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> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sabine,

An Amazonian herb (locally called 'stone breaker') might help. Rio herbs

stock it:

http://www.riohealth.co.uk/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1 & sku=114

The tea is the more traditional form but they have pills also. It is reputed

to be miraculous.

But...

is your Px getting checked for lymphoma, at least basic bloods? Are there

blocks anywhere else, or general lymphadenopathy?

If all clear, you could progress with traditional lymphatics (Calendula,

clivers etc.), ideally as teas, & Gelsemium / Poke gtt may help (low dose).

Check if there is anything in the diet (other than the antibiotics!) that

would be causing any traditional concepts like 'damp', or stagnation. TCM

theory & dietetics can be quite helpful.

Basically, avoid mucous forming foods (refined flour, dairy produce &

sugar), any allergens (1st identify - cf. Brostoff) & anything dry/difficult

to swallow. Synthetic saliva is available from any chemist if necessary - if

the swelling makes eating hard, protein-rich products like ensure can be

useful, if tasteless!

Good options are high fibre, lots of soups & juices (pea soup & carrot

juice!) with an emphasis on cleansing/intestinal health (to address recent

antibiotics) foods high in fructo-oligo-saccharides can be useful - e.g.

asparagus, artichoke.

Topical anti-inflammatory treatment can also help: Whitehouse

recommended a cream inluding Myrrh & Poke Tr in a Calendula base, maybe some

incense EO, which I found to be effective on different types of

inflammation.

Not to be missed is the emotional effect of his current situation - address

stress (nervines), maybe with flower remedies ('Creative Essence' from Bush

flower essences might be indicated) if you think there is an emotional

component to the 'block'.

I hope your Px gets well!

Regards

Tamsin

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Subject: Salivary gland stone

Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:55:47 +0100

Hi everybody,

i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone is in the gland rather

than the duct there is talk of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a

second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with a lot of swelling and

pain, and is reluctant to take yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a

few risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to avoid. I'm thinking

Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters to help move stone into duct so it could be

removed somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help dissolve them?

Diet? Has anybody treated this successfully before, what dietary advice did

you give, if any?

Any advice would be much appreciated!

Many thanks!

Sabine

Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH

Medical Herbalist

Knockrooskey

Westport

Co.Mayo

Tel. 098-35909

herbalist@...

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

that's really interesting! What's the source/reference for that use? Do you

have the stones in the gland, or the duct? And how long have you neeb taking

Hydrangea, and how much, and ...any relief yet??? Would love to hear more!

Many thanks to yourself and Hayley for the swift replies! (did your aunt use

the Ech neat?) Been wondering whether stimulating flow of saliva could in

fact worsen the congestion/pain, seeing that Sx are usually worse with

meals...??

Sabine

Re: Salivary gland stone

> Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve

> stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let

> you know if it works!

> Fidler

>

> --- Sabine Hiller wrote:

>

> > Hi everybody,

> >

> > i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone

> > is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk

> > of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a

> > second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with

> > a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take

> > yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few

> > risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to

> > avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters

> > to help move stone into duct so it could be removed

> > somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help

> > dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this

> > successfully before, what dietary advice did you

> > give, if any?

> >

> > Any advice would be much appreciated!

> > Many thanks!

> > Sabine

> >

> >

> > Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH

> > Medical Herbalist

> > Knockrooskey

> > Westport

> > Co.Mayo

> > Tel. 098-35909

> > herbalist@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

perhaps rather simplistic, but sucking bits of lemon whichcause salivation

and gland actitivity is supposed to allow movement and expulsion. worth a

try!

Re: Salivary gland stone

> Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve

> stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let

> you know if it works!

> Fidler

>

> --- Sabine Hiller wrote:

>

>> Hi everybody,

>>

>> i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone

>> is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk

>> of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a

>> second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with

>> a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take

>> yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few

>> risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to

>> avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters

>> to help move stone into duct so it could be removed

>> somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help

>> dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this

>> successfully before, what dietary advice did you

>> give, if any?

>>

>> Any advice would be much appreciated!

>> Many thanks!

>> Sabine

>>

>>

>> Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH

>> Medical Herbalist

>> Knockrooskey

>> Westport

>> Co.Mayo

>> Tel. 098-35909

>> herbalist@...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Green wrote:

perhaps rather simplistic, but sucking bits of lemon whichcause salivation

and gland actitivity is supposed to allow movement and expulsion. worth a

try!

Heavens, that sounds cruel! Parotid stones can be large compared to the size of

the duct, so expulsion may be impossible. Anti-lithic remedies could be worth

trying, incuding externally over the gland. I once treated someone with prostate

stones successfully so such herbs may be applicable to any calcified stones.

Takes several months, but if her symptoms ease in the meantime, then she will

probably stick with it.

Good luck

Helen