Re: Court update

[Guest guest]

You need to download Dr. Shoemaker's testimony in front of the US Congress

and show them that.

Assuming that you are in the US.

Would you be able to tell us where these people are? It seems as if they

might need some people to call them and tell them their stories.

BTW, many of us are in communication with many public health officials in

various ways on a daily basis, and

although they all realize the political situation, they OFTEN also are very

understanding and aware of the situation with toxic molds and mycotoxins.

If YOUR local officials already have THEIR minds made up and no amount of

conflicting information will open their eyes, then THEY are the ones who

have serious mental issues IMO and THEY are the ones that should be being

evaluated.

Normal people and certainly all scientists reaize that human knowledge is an

evolving thing and that what was thought to be true yesterday is often seen

differently today or tomorrow as new facts become available..

HTH

On 11/20/06, salzberglver3 <salzberglver3@...> wrote:

>

> Update...

> My son and I went to see an infectious disease doctor who told us that

> our medical history was crap and that there is no such thing as

> chemical intolerance (she is also affiliated with five pharmaceutical

> companies).

> Then she turned us into child protective services for a shared

> psychotic disorder. We had our trial this week with disappointing

> results. I fired the first attorney and hired another who was not

> allowed to represent me. The judge called back the lawyer I fired who

> basically spoke off the top of his head and did not put any of my 150

> pages of medical documentation on the record. He did not even allow me

> to take the stand.

> The judge ruled that " THIS COURT does NOT believe in mold detoxing

> problems and that my son and I suffer from NO symptoms. " CPS took

> jurisdiction and now want my son to have a psych. evaluation. They

> want us to have mandatory counseling as well even though one social

> worker we saw stated that she thought the case was totally unfounded.

> Today I received a notice from my worker's comp. case which stated I

> must attend a mandatory settlement conference next month. Anyone see any

> connections here? Isn't there a conflict of interest to try a case in

> the same county where another open case is pending?uMMMMMMMMMMMM

> Anyone have any rec. for a great lawyer who can stand up to CPS and

> who know EI as well? How about any successful lawyers who have a

> winning record for malpractice?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would try Witzer Law firm in California.. or I hear that Dr. Lipsey has

a good list of attoney's he recommends on the east coast

salzberglver3 <salzberglver3@...> wrote: Update...

My son and I went to see an infectious disease doctor who told us that

our medical history was crap and that there is no such thing as

chemical intolerance (she is also affiliated with five pharmaceutical

companies).

Then she turned us into child protective services for a shared

psychotic disorder. We had our trial this week with disappointing

results. I fired the first attorney and hired another who was not

allowed to represent me. The judge called back the lawyer I fired who

basically spoke off the top of his head and did not put any of my 150

pages of medical documentation on the record. He did not even allow me

to take the stand.

The judge ruled that " THIS COURT does NOT believe in mold detoxing

problems and that my son and I suffer from NO symptoms. " CPS took

jurisdiction and now want my son to have a psych. evaluation. They

want us to have mandatory counseling as well even though one social

worker we saw stated that she thought the case was totally unfounded.

Today I received a notice from my worker's comp. case which stated I

must attend a mandatory settlement conference next month. Anyone see any

connections here? Isn't there a conflict of interest to try a case in

the same county where another open case is pending?uMMMMMMMMMMMM

Anyone have any rec. for a great lawyer who can stand up to CPS and

who know EI as well? How about any successful lawyers who have a

winning record for malpractice?

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[Guest guest]

That is discusting. Guidance for Clinicians on the

Recognition and Management

of Health Effects related to

Mold Exposure and

Moisture Indoors http://www.oehc.uchc.edu/clinser/MOLD%20GUIDE.pdf

What state are you in? There is enough documentation that this should

not happen.

Update...

> My son and I went to see an infectious disease doctor who told us

that

> our medical history was crap and that there is no such thing as

> chemical intolerance (she is also affiliated with five

pharmaceutical

> companies).

> Then she turned us into child protective services for a shared

> psychotic disorder. We had our trial this week with disappointing

> results. I fired the first attorney and hired another who was not

> allowed to represent me. The judge called back the lawyer I fired

who

> basically spoke off the top of his head and did not put any of my

150

> pages of medical documentation on the record. He did not even allow

me

> to take the stand.

> The judge ruled that " THIS COURT does NOT believe in mold detoxing

> problems and that my son and I suffer from NO symptoms. " CPS took

> jurisdiction and now want my son to have a psych. evaluation. They

> want us to have mandatory counseling as well even though one social

> worker we saw stated that she thought the case was totally

unfounded.

> Today I received a notice from my worker's comp. case which stated I

> must attend a mandatory settlement conference next month. Anyone

see any

> connections here? Isn't there a conflict of interest to try a case

in

> the same county where another open case is pending?uMMMMMMMMMMMM

> Anyone have any rec. for a great lawyer who can stand up to CPS and

> who know EI as well? How about any successful lawyers who have a

> winning record for malpractice?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Re: Court Update

Hi Gordon,

I am not a lawyer either but it seems very clear to me on the employee packet

that my PSWs sign that I am the employer, not ACCESS or the state of Illinois.

There is even a page that we both sign that says exactly that.

Thais

[Guest guest]

Re: Court Update

Hi Gordon,

I am not a lawyer either but it seems very clear to me on the employee packet

that my PSWs sign that I am the employer, not ACCESS or the state of Illinois.

There is even a page that we both sign that says exactly that.

Thais

[Guest guest]

Dear Team IPADD,    

Please make no mistake that Ellen, Pam and I are of one mind as so well stated

in Ellen’s for the record post. This is about family values!

Having said that, the purpose of this post is to share with you the status of

the current litigation before Judge Epstein in the Chancery Division, Circuit

Court of Cook County, as best I can share as I am not an attorney.

Contrary to what you may have heard from SEIU or AFSCME on Monday at AAA as the

vote count was in progress, the litigation is still very much alive and well. 

It remains on a very fast track at this juncture.

Judge Epstein on Monday ruled that he wanted to see responsive pleadings from

the defendants by October 23, 2009, a reply to those pleadings from me on

October 30, 2009, and a status hearing on November 3, 2009.

We are still actively in search of a pro bono attorney to represent us in this

action. The major firms we have talked to, so far, cannot do it as they have

been hired by the State on other matters that would create a conflict of

interest for the firms. 

On Friday, it seems we will file a motion to voluntarily dismiss the temporary

restraining order to stop the vote count. As you may remember, thanks to all of

us working together the vote was overwhelming that this community does not want

to unionize! We said NO to the unions by a 2 -1 margin! The motion is really

moot at this point, and we do not want to waste the court’s time.

This was just one of five points in the case the court agreed to hear. There

remain four other issues or counts on the table namely: illegal election;

interfere with, restrain or coerce employees; state business to be conducted in

sunshine, and jurisdiction.

If we are able to retain an attorney, the complaint will probably move forward

as submitted. If not, we will probably amend the complaint to simply focus on

the issue of jurisdiction.

The jurisdiction issue is simply asking the court to decide who the employer is.

Is it the consumer, our kids and us, as the Home Based Support Services Program

design seems to suggest or is it the State of Illinois as the unions and the

State of Illinois, Central Management Services seems to suggest by their actions

rooted in the Governor’s Executive Order.

Why does this matter? If you and I are the employer, the unions would have to

work separately with each employer to unionize – very expensive for a union to

do as well as the rules of NLRB may be in play. If the State is the employer,

then ILRB as well as the Illinois Labor Relations Act runs the show with firm

rules to assure a free and open election.  

We need to resolve this matter once and for all. Instead of being in court,

being afraid, being confronted, etc., we all should be taking care of our

families.  

Stay tuned!

Thanks for your support.

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

" Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and

the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf.

Rom 1: 16).

Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! "

National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of

II

..

[Guest guest]

Dear Team IPADD,    

Please make no mistake that Ellen, Pam and I are of one mind as so well stated

in Ellen’s for the record post. This is about family values!

Having said that, the purpose of this post is to share with you the status of

the current litigation before Judge Epstein in the Chancery Division, Circuit

Court of Cook County, as best I can share as I am not an attorney.

Contrary to what you may have heard from SEIU or AFSCME on Monday at AAA as the

vote count was in progress, the litigation is still very much alive and well. 

It remains on a very fast track at this juncture.

Judge Epstein on Monday ruled that he wanted to see responsive pleadings from

the defendants by October 23, 2009, a reply to those pleadings from me on

October 30, 2009, and a status hearing on November 3, 2009.

We are still actively in search of a pro bono attorney to represent us in this

action. The major firms we have talked to, so far, cannot do it as they have

been hired by the State on other matters that would create a conflict of

interest for the firms. 

On Friday, it seems we will file a motion to voluntarily dismiss the temporary

restraining order to stop the vote count. As you may remember, thanks to all of

us working together the vote was overwhelming that this community does not want

to unionize! We said NO to the unions by a 2 -1 margin! The motion is really

moot at this point, and we do not want to waste the court’s time.

This was just one of five points in the case the court agreed to hear. There

remain four other issues or counts on the table namely: illegal election;

interfere with, restrain or coerce employees; state business to be conducted in

sunshine, and jurisdiction.

If we are able to retain an attorney, the complaint will probably move forward

as submitted. If not, we will probably amend the complaint to simply focus on

the issue of jurisdiction.

The jurisdiction issue is simply asking the court to decide who the employer is.

Is it the consumer, our kids and us, as the Home Based Support Services Program

design seems to suggest or is it the State of Illinois as the unions and the

State of Illinois, Central Management Services seems to suggest by their actions

rooted in the Governor’s Executive Order.

Why does this matter? If you and I are the employer, the unions would have to

work separately with each employer to unionize – very expensive for a union to

do as well as the rules of NLRB may be in play. If the State is the employer,

then ILRB as well as the Illinois Labor Relations Act runs the show with firm

rules to assure a free and open election.  

We need to resolve this matter once and for all. Instead of being in court,

being afraid, being confronted, etc., we all should be taking care of our

families.  

Stay tuned!

Thanks for your support.

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

" Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and

the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf.

Rom 1: 16).

Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! "

National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of

II

..

[Guest guest]

Hi Gordon,

I am not a lawyer either but it seems very clear to me on the employee packet

that my PSWs sign that I am the employer, not ACCESS or the state of Illinois.

There is even a page that we both sign that says exactly that.

Thais

[Guest guest]

Hi Gordon,

I am not a lawyer either but it seems very clear to me on the employee packet

that my PSWs sign that I am the employer, not ACCESS or the state of Illinois.

There is even a page that we both sign that says exactly that.

Thais

[Guest guest]

Thank you Natasha. I was there on Monday and will sign up for next week. I am

not one of Alvin's buying club and I want to encourage others who are not in it

to still come. This is about your future ability to purchase raw milk. It's

important that we make an effort. I will bring my older son. I don't think the

baby can sit through much and although I do feel it's important to bring

children, I also feel that I have to make sure they're not being too rowdy.

Thanks for posting this!!!

-

>

>

> We had a wonderful session at the Rights Workshop yesterday- those that came

can attest that the speakers had some valuable information and inspiration for

us all. The dinner was delicious- thank you to all who donated and prepared the

food.

>

> The rally was this morning and we were given the gift of a beautiful morning

and clear skies (although oddly enough the sprinkler system went off right in

the middle of our rally!) Look for future links to videos of the rally to see

what you missed if you weren't there...

>

> The trial: it was rescheduled to start next Monday at 9:45 am. This causes us

to have to reschedule things but it also gives us further opportunity to get the

courtroom packed every day. We have broken the shifts into morning and afternoon

and look forward to having the courtroom filled- what a time to show that we

care about our food and farmers and to have fellowship with other

" foodies " ...people who won't think you are weird talking about " grass-fed " and

" scobys " ! We could all use more of that and this is a great opportunity for

community building.

>

> So, whether you had already committed to this week or you are deciding to get

on board, please follow this link to sign up for the new dates and times:

>

> http://farmfoodfreedom.wufoo.com/forms/courtroom-sign-up/

>

> See you there!

>

> Natasha

>