Re: New Member with Weight Loss /Moldieme -I think

[Guest guest]

Dear Moldieme,

You can have weight loss due to tricothecenes and it can be quite

serious. I have same thing, tricothecene toxic, shows in blood and

urine. I lost alot of weight. Tricothecenes can ruin your

digestive tract seriously. Despite eating well, my nutrition level,

particularly proteins. My amino acid level is extremely low despite

trying to eat a high protein diet. ALL your hormones are made up of

amino acid molecules so if you are not able to digest proteins and

turn them into amino acids your hormones will be deficient also.

This is a very serious side affect of tricothecenes. Dr Croft who

does testing for tricothecenes and also does tissue biopsies said

that it can destroy your digestive tract to the point that the cilia

that absorbs nutrients and moves food along can literally slough off

and a person can die from that. I began losing weight two years ago

and I'm still here but skinny, but don't take the weight loss or the

tricothecenes lightly. I had trouble taking CSM because it seemed

too rough on my digestive system but lately I have been doing okay

but I take a very reduced dose.

By all means, see one of the mold doctors you mentioned, but main

thing is finding and spending as much time as possible in non moldy

environment. This can be difficult to find. We all have our own

systems here. I am also staying in hotel for awhile but think I

have found a temporary apartment that seems to be in good condition

and cleaner than average for mold but it took me 2 and a half months

of looking.

There is so much information here, you will just have to start

reading here and listening to everyone as it is too much to tell

someone all at once.

> I have been quite ill and dropping weight like mad. I have

tested

> positive for tricocothenes in my urine - the toxins producted by

> the molds, as well as are very chemically and electrically

sensitive

> after inhaling consruction dust and mold at high concentrations

in a

> construction zone- (yes, we should have been in a hotel- but we

> werent.)! What can I do to get this out of my body and my

childrens? "

>

[Guest guest]

" Barb,

What you said about the digestive system really caught my attention.

Have any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichothecene

exposure and something like colitis/ulcerative colitis? "

I'm not Barb, but will share what I know about mold exposure and

digestive issues. MSH is vital for mucous membrane health (I really

don't know the mechanism) and therefore the typical MSH deficiency

caused by mold exposure will cause digestive problems. Cholestyramine,

by helping to remove the toxins, will hopefully cause MSH to increase

(it did so for us) and thus result in improved digestion. I can eat

apples again--yeah! Another possiblity is autoimmune gluten intolerance

caused by mold toxins. Dr. Shoemaker explains this in his book.

My disclaimer--this is all explained in " Mold Warriors " but I can't

find my copy right now.

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[Guest guest]

The pathologist I talked to who did analysis on my tissue deals

primarily with tricothecenes and said of the soft tissue organs,

that the digestive system is the organ most affected by

tricothecenes. He knows first hand since he has done autopsies for

court cases on mold exposure and said the thing that he most notices

is that the digestive system of people with high exposure to

tricothecenes is shot.

As for doctors knowing this, only doctors who are known to this

group who are sticking their necks out and diagnosing mold illness

that I know of. You mention mold connection to anything other than

allergies and you will be told that only a very few people get sick

from mold and these are people like organ transplant recipients, etc.

The best way to get better (other than CSM or in addition to CSM) it

seems from all I've heard and read and since I am not better myself,

I can not say much else, is giving your body the EXACT opposite of

what made it sick in the first place. That is true of almost every

illness anyway... if you know what made you ill. So that is being

as mold free as possible in air you breath and food you eat, so your

body can just focus on clearing out the mold and toxins you already

have, instead of body having to spend energy fighting new attacks

from the outside world. This is **MUCH** harder than it sounds.

Also if you have been overexposed to mold, bacteria problem too so

not to leave them out, living extra cleanly.

How hard is this? First you have to find a cleaner than average

environment in which to live, and if you still work, cleaner than

average environment in which to work ALSO...sound hard yet?? Then

you need to eliminate from your diet things that are mold because

ingesting mold is another way we get mold and toxins. You can get

idea of going on a mold-free/mycotoxin free diet is at:

mold-survivor.com.

<http://mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html>

I would imagine that if you have significant exposure to

tricothecenes and digestive disturbance then mold and toxin free

diet would be very important. Basically to avoid foods that are

moldy or toxic you eat fresh foods, whole apples, lettuce, whole

tomatoes, fresh not processed or dried meat, etc. You avoid any

type of food that is stored for long periods as it always is subject

to mold, like grains, nuts, seeds, dried fruit, etc. You avoid aged

things, like aged cheese..cheddar for example, but can eat cottage

cheese since it isn't aged. Etc.

If you can do those things, the body should heal itself, if illness

has not gone too far. Add some CSM in to hassen the detoxification

process. My doctor has me taking Ascorbic acid powder to gut

tolerance, meaning as much as I can take without getting diahrea

which isn't much. I can take 1/4 tea 3 times a day. Dr

Marinkovich, whose diet above is taken from, also says ascorbic acid

is a detoxifier, and emphasises that this is not 'citric acid'. I

have an ascorbic acid powder that has magnesium in it and it fizzes

in water. I don't know where to get it. I get it from my doctor.

Dr Marinkovich sells an ascorbic acid powder but he says any

ascorbic acid powder will do and he recommends using it to detoxify

grains if you use them and wash fruit or veggies in. I make oatmeal

once in awhile and I put a pinch of salt in water since that allows

the water to boil hotter I have been told, and also put ascorbic

acid in water to hopefully detoxify the oatmeal as much as possible,

and I boil it on very high heat for short. Sometimes I feel I need

some grains to balance out my diet and I do it by making a hot

cereal out of them with ascorbic acid in water, cream of wheat,

oatmeal, rice cereal, but I don't have much of these.

Don't know what works and what doesn't. There aren't many studies

done on this and I am new to this too. After 15 years of being

exposed to more mold than was good for me, I have only been out of

that home for two months and a week, so not that long, and this

temporary place has a moldy a/c unit in it so not really in a very

clean place yet. I have been following mold and toxin free diet. I

have *huge* appetite. I don't know if that is sign of good health

returning or I need the food since my digestive system isn't working

properly. I will let you know.

If you just lead a healthier life, your body has amazing ability to

heal itself that most people don't realize or go to the bother.

Obviously illness can go too far and more than living healthy needs

to be done, but you can do both.

Dr Croft can do analysis on urine for tricothecenes. If you send

him a skin sample he can do analysis of that also. If you can get a

GI doctor to take biopsy of colon lining, he can do analysis on that

also to determine exposure to tricothecenes. As for myself, I don't

want anyone putting a hole in my colon lining but I was told that

can show degree of damage, but I know I have tricothecene over

exposure so I am not interested in more testing. Dr Hooper in

Dallas analyises urine for the three main toxins, aflotoxin,

tricothecenes and 'the other one', I can never remember it. Too

lazy to look it up. However tricothecenes are considered the

scarier of the three.

--- In , " Hannah " <chris@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

> > What you said about the digestive system really caught my

attention. Have

> any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichothecene

exposure

>

[Guest guest]

I should add Dr gave me Creon to aid digestion, that I take

with meals. It is dessicated pancreatic enzyme/dessicated

pancreatic gland from bovine source but in time-released capsules.

It is an expensive prescription, about 45$ after my insurance pays.

Anyway, you can get pancreatic enzyme over the counter but it is not

time released. I had been recommended it before by another doctor I

go to. I take one before meal and one after but this is only the

pancreatic enzyme. There are lots of digestive aids out there but I

have only had the dessicated pancreatic enzyme recommended by

doctor. I also take liquid vitamins and minerals hoping they will

be digested easier.

--- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

wrote:

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>

>

> The pathologist I talked to who did analysis on my tissue deals

> primarily with tricothecenes and said of the soft tissue organs,

> that

[Guest guest]

If you can't tolerate CSM due to severe digestive problems, you might want to

try bentonite. I've had some success with it with severe T-2 toxin poisoning of

my digestive tract. I don't know if it works as well with other forms of

trichotecene poisoning though.

Kathyw

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Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

wrote:

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>

>

> The pathologist I talked to who did analysis on my tissue deals

> primarily with tricothecenes and said of the soft tissue organs,

> that the digestive system is the organ most affected by

> tricothecenes. He knows first hand since he has done autopsies

for

> court cases on mold exposure and said the thing that he most

notices

> is that the digestive system of people with high exposure to

> tricothecenes is shot.

>

> You might want to look up alimentary toxic alukia (sp?) It is

caused by extreme exposure to T-2 toxin usually through ingestion of

contaminated food. It is usually fatal. Less exposure, which is

what you would most likely have from environmental sources can have

similar effect on digestive system, just not enough to kill you,

just makes your life miserable. It does finally clear up though.

Endoscopy showed I had gastritis, duodenitis, and grade II

esophagitis, but no significant reflux after my exposure. I thought

I was going to die from the pain for an entire year. Since I have

been using the Bentonite I have had tremdous improvement. Don't

know if it's the bentonite or time. If I could just get my sinuses

under control, I would be much better. Any suggestions? I've tried

everything.

Kathyw