Re: Afternoon sleepiness, exhaustion - MSH deficiency?

[Guest guest]

Branis, I sleep this way at night alot, have severe insomnia for a

long time and I'm familiar. It's nightmarish because you can't do

anything and yet you really aren't getting any rest, it's like

restless lying around.

Okay now with why. I've read everything I can on sleep and there

are a number of things that can contribute to this. First of all

when you eat your body temperature goes down. Later on when meal

has been digested, calories you ate, helps temperature to go back up

again. Sleep cycle or circadian cycle is really controlled by body

temperature, along with other thing. When you go to sleep your body

hits it's low temperature for the day and when you are most awake,

your body temperature is at it's highest. Swing in body temperature

is VERY minor but it affects this sleep/wake thing. After you eat

body temperature goes down. I'm not sure why, maybe blood going to

your stomach, takes it away from your brain and actually what I

forgot to mention is this is all about *brain temperature*, which

should follow body but I'm not sure but sleep is a brain activity.

Your body just goes along for the ride. If we haven't gotten enough

sleep at night, this dip in temperature can make us sleepy. Another

way to get sleepy for same reason is to sit still for certain period

of time, that drops your brain temperature also, I'll call it brain

temperature, so thus alot of people fall asleep reading or watching

tv for this reason. WHY you don't fall all the way asleep is

probably that temperature doesn't fall far enough down which is only

likely to happen at time you are used to going to bed.

Another thing that affects whether you fall asleep or go into this

half way house of hell, is if your body is not making the melatonin

or other hormones that put you to sleep. If toxins are suppressing

hormone production this can affect ability to get into deep sleep

which is where you want to go to be refreshed from nap or sleep at

night. I think hormone deficiency is reason for me and probably

others affected by toxins. They suppress androgen. Androgen is not

responsible for sleep but sometimes a shortage of one hormone or

group of hormones can affect other hormones since there is some kind

of heirarchy of hormone production. More important hormones take

material needed to be produced from other less important hormones to

help you to survive so hormones for sex drive for example will be

lost for hormones to keep your adrenaline up for example. That is

so when you are fighting a war, you don't stop defending yourself

to kiss a pretty lady....

Anyway, there was an interesting article in Newsweek magazine about

link between testosterone and sleep and I believe testosterone is an

androgen, which Dr Shoemaker says are depressed by toxins..? After

I read it I wanted to take testosterone but my doctor would not give

it since she said that testosterone makes it harder to chelate lead

(I have high lead levels), but I think that is b.s. since that would

mean that young men would be more likely to be toxic...of course now

that I think of it, taken another way, that could be. Anyway, I

know women can experience sleep loss with progesterone loss also and

many take progesterone cream at bedtime for that reason, so hormones

can be suppressed by toxins and hormones play a big part in sleep.

However *most people can feel sleepy right after a meal if they sit

around. Difference may be before this you actually did fall asleep

for a short while after meal and now you get into that hellish

twilight zone where I am often also.

One way to avoid it is to take a relaxing walk after eating if you

aren't too tired to do that. I know some days I'm just too totally

tired to do anything. Another way is to get better sleep at night

which can make you less sleepy during the day and to help this, make

sure you bring your body temperature up during the day by doing

something active. If your body temperature is a flat line all day,

i.e. low, it will have trouble dipping down at night. For some

reason it needs to go up in order to go down, but not near

bedtime...best during the day, afternoon at latest I would say. Do

relaxing things 2-3 hours before bed. Even walking upstairs before

I go to bed, ruins the night for me so I had to move my bed

downstairs.

So you might try bringing your body temperature up more during the

day to sleep better at night and also try to get rid of those

toxins. I read story in Newsweek where a man was given testosterone

shots for something and it had unexpected results of improving a

sleep problem he was having at night. I tried to google it but

didn't find it.

--- In , " Branislav " <arealis@...>

wrote:

>

> I usually have my lunch around 4 PM (yes, I know it's unusual but

> that's how it is).

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's possible your adrenals are likely disrupted and that you have low cortisol

at that time of day (cortisol is typically lower at that point of day than

normal, but with that level of fatigue, it could be even lower). Also, it would

seem that you might perhaps be dehydrated given the dry mouth and headache after

your nap. How much water have you drinken by that time of day? I typically

consume 3 liters by 4 pm and don't feel well if I haven't. And, yes, this isn't

normal, but it is normal for folks like us that have low levels of ADH. You

mention that food doesn't seem to impact how you feel, but what's the ratio of

protein to carbs? I found I must eat an extremely low carb diet (only carbs are

in vegs and small amounts of fruit) or I will also have that afternoon fatigue.

Also, consuming any gluten at all results in this extreme fatigue for me for

several days, so the fatigue may not be due to what you had for lunch but

perhaps earlier that day or even the nite before or

even days before. A food diary is useful in tracking these sorts of problems as

the pattern can sometimes be difficult to discern, especially if you're relying

only on memory (another problem area for us).

B.

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From: " Branislav " <arealis@...>

I usually have my lunch around 4 PM (yes, I know it's unusual but

that's how it is).

For the past 10 years I noticed I had to take a nap after lunch, and

this nap isn't pleasant at all. It's some sort of

semi-wake-semi-dream-often-nightmarish state of mind, after which I

feel like I was overrun by a train or something. Often I feel dry

mouth and headache after it's over.

It has become a lot worse this year, after several exposures to

cross-contaminated objects. Now I need at least 2 hours of this

torturous " sleep " after each lunch. And it doesn't depend on the type

of food or anything like that. I noticed that going to bed early and

sleeping well during night can alleviate the nasty afternoon naps, but

all this didn't happen 10 years ago, so...

I don't live in a moldy environment, however cross-contamination plays

a big role in my illness. Nap happens even during periods when I am

not contaminated (I can feel whether I'm contaminated or not in a

matter of a few seconds).

Now, could this be due to lowered MSH and other havoc that mycotoxins

make in one's body? Would CSM help with this? Any other ideas as far

as medicines are concerned?

P.S. I'm still a long way from doing all the bloodwork and having it

evaluated by Dr. Shoemaker. Can anyone send me his/her HLA, MSH, MMP-9

etc. results so I can show them to my GP doctor, that she can see it's

real and not some internet scam?

-Branislav

[Guest guest]

Being extremely tired after eating is something I experience when I

am sick from toxins. The body has no energy to spare for digestion

and other activities. Cholestrymine regularly should help this

karen--- In , " Branislav " <arealis@...>

wrote:

>

> I usually have my lunch around 4 PM (yes, I know it's unusual but

> that's how it is).

>

> For the past 10 years I noticed I had to take a nap after lunch, and

> this nap isn't pleasant at all. It's some sort of

> semi-wake-semi-dream-often-nightmarish state of mind, after which I

> feel like I was overrun by a train or something. Often I feel dry

> mouth and headache after it's over.

>

> It has become a lot worse this year, after several exposures to

> cross-contaminated objects. Now I need at least 2 hours of this

> torturous " sleep " after each lunch. And it doesn't depend on the

type

> of food or anything like that. I noticed that going to bed early and

> sleeping well during night can alleviate the nasty afternoon naps,

but

> all this didn't happen 10 years ago, so...

>

> I don't live in a moldy environment, however cross-contamination

plays

> a big role in my illness. Nap happens even during periods when I am

> not contaminated (I can feel whether I'm contaminated or not in a

> matter of a few seconds).

>

> Now, could this be due to lowered MSH and other havoc that

mycotoxins

> make in one's body? Would CSM help with this? Any other ideas as far

> as medicines are concerned?

>

> P.S. I'm still a long way from doing all the bloodwork and having it

> evaluated by Dr. Shoemaker. Can anyone send me his/her HLA, MSH,

MMP-9

> etc. results so I can show them to my GP doctor, that she can see

it's

> real and not some internet scam?

>

> -Branislav

>

[Guest guest]

Low anitdiuretic hormone adh?

> >

>

> >It's possible your adrenals are likely disrupted and that you

have low cortisol at that time of day (cortisol is typically lower

at that point of day than normal, but with that level of fatigue, it

could be even lower). Also, it would seem that you might perhaps be

dehydrated given the dry mouth and headache after your nap. How

much water have you drinken by that time of day? I typically

consume 3 liters by 4 pm and don't feel well if I haven't. And,

yes, this isn't normal, but it is normal for folks like us that have

low levels of ADH. You mention that food doesn't seem to impact how

you feel, but what's the ratio of protein to carbs? I found I must

eat an extremely low carb diet (only carbs are in vegs and small

amounts of fruit) or I will also have that afternoon fatigue. Also,

consuming any gluten at all results in this extreme fatigue for me

for several days, so the fatigue may not be due to what you had for

lunch but perhaps earlier that day or even the nite before or even

days before. A food diary is useful in tracking these sorts of

problems as the pattern can sometimes be difficult to discern,

especially if you're relying only on memory (another problem area

for us).

> >

> > B.

> >

> >-------------- Original message --------------

> >From: " Branislav " <arealis@...>

> >I usually have my lunch around 4 PM (yes, I know it's unusual but

> >that's how it is).

> >

> >For the past 10 years I noticed I had to take a nap after lunch,

and

> >this nap isn't pleasant at all. It's some sort of

> >semi-wake-semi-dream-often-nightmarish state of mind, after which

I

> >feel like I was overrun by a train or something. Often I feel dry

> >mouth and headache after it's over.

> >

> >It has become a lot worse this year, after several exposures to

> >cross-contaminated objects. Now I need at least 2 hours of this

> >torturous " sleep " after each lunch. And it doesn't depend on the

type

> >of food or anything like that. I noticed that going to bed early

and

> >sleeping well during night can alleviate the nasty afternoon

naps, but

> >all this didn't happen 10 years ago, so...

> >

> >I don't live in a moldy environment, however cross-contamination

plays

> >a big role in my illness. Nap happens even during periods when I

am

> >not contaminated (I can feel whether I'm contaminated or not in a

> >matter of a few seconds).

> >

> >Now, could this be due to lowered MSH and other havoc that

mycotoxins

> >make in one's body? Would CSM help with this? Any other ideas as

far

> >as medicines are concerned?

> >

> >P.S. I'm still a long way from doing all the bloodwork and having

it

> >evaluated by Dr. Shoemaker. Can anyone send me his/her HLA, MSH,

MMP-9

> >etc. results so I can show them to my GP doctor, that she can see

it's

> >real and not some internet scam?

> >

> >-Branislav

> >

> >

> >

> >

>