Re: motorless air purifier

November 15, 2006

Elyse,

I can certainly sympathize with your lack of tolerance for noise from

air purifiers. And there are some decent ones that don't have motors

and are therefore silent.

But you must understand that the ones without fans have a Clean Air

Delivery Rate (CADR) that is extremely low (e.g. 20-30), which means

you will need 3-10 times as many of them of them to clean the air of

one HEPA purifier with a CADR of 100-300. So buy the less expensive

ones.

Also, carefully investigate for any geneation of ozone, whether

intentional or not. Be sure to buy from a source that has a money-

back guarantee so if you aren't satisified for any reason, including

reacting to the device itself, you can return it for a refund.

The only infrared device I've heard of claims to " cook " the mold to

kill it. Unfortunately that does not denature the mold so it has the

same allergic, irritant and neuro-toxic properites as live mold.

As for reducing your allergic reactions if helps to focus on finding

and removing what you are allergic to. Don't worry about what you

aren't allergic to or otherwise nonreactive. For example, if you have

lots of allergies but not to cats, then you can get or keep a cat.

Finally, the level of reactivity is important. An impact that is a

hay fever nuisance is much different than an impact that causes 5 day

migraines or life threatening asthma. The higher the impact the more

diligence is required for fully identifying sources and the

completeness of removal.

Some on this group, for example, can tolerate having only the mold

growth removed from the house but many are so reactive they cannot

tolerate ANY contents that were in the house. Even after multiple

cleanings. It is important to evaluate impact for making decisions

about how much to do and how clean is clean. For you.

I realize this is very general but I hope it helps. More specific

guidance requires more specific information. But keep the above

general process in mind as you read the personal stories of others on

this group. There is a LOT of expertise and wisdom here for some

truly caring people.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> I'm looking for an air purifier without a motor, i can't stand the

> noise from the typical hepa air purifiers. There's some other types

> like one I heard of that uses an infra-red bulb. Which one without a

> motor would be effective?

>

> With the rainy season right now, there's a lot of mold on the ground

> and my allergies have gotten bad. I really need to find a way to

> reduce my allegic reactions. Thanks,

>

> Elyse

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

November 17, 2006

Carl,

Thanks for your reply. i do have asthma and my other symtpoms from the outdoor

moulds are extreme fatigue, my body feels very heavy and in pain all the time,

also get

migraines. This happens every fall, I would consider it severe. It's difficult

getting to the

computer to do a search, so i really need to do something about this.

Do you know if a brand of air purifier I can look into - again motorless? I

understand it

won't work as well, but I'm sure it will work better than the one I have with a

motor since I

don't turn it on :-) Any other suggestions on how to get through the season

would be

great. Thanks.

Elyse

>

> Elyse,

>

> I can certainly sympathize with your lack of tolerance for noise from

> air purifiers. And there are some decent ones that don't have motors

> and are therefore silent.

>

> But you must understand that the ones without fans have a Clean Air

> Delivery Rate (CADR) that is extremely low (e.g. 20-30), which means

> you will need 3-10 times as many of them of them to clean the air of

> one HEPA purifier with a CADR of 100-300. So buy the less expensive

> ones.

>

> Also, carefully investigate for any geneation of ozone, whether

> intentional or not. Be sure to buy from a source that has a money-

> back guarantee so if you aren't satisified for any reason, including

> reacting to the device itself, you can return it for a refund.

>

> The only infrared device I've heard of claims to " cook " the mold to

> kill it. Unfortunately that does not denature the mold so it has the

> same allergic, irritant and neuro-toxic properites as live mold.

>

> As for reducing your allergic reactions if helps to focus on finding

> and removing what you are allergic to. Don't worry about what you

> aren't allergic to or otherwise nonreactive. For example, if you have

> lots of allergies but not to cats, then you can get or keep a cat.

>

> Finally, the level of reactivity is important. An impact that is a

> hay fever nuisance is much different than an impact that causes 5 day

> migraines or life threatening asthma. The higher the impact the more

> diligence is required for fully identifying sources and the

> completeness of removal.

>

> Some on this group, for example, can tolerate having only the mold

> growth removed from the house but many are so reactive they cannot

> tolerate ANY contents that were in the house. Even after multiple

> cleanings. It is important to evaluate impact for making decisions

> about how much to do and how clean is clean. For you.

>

> I realize this is very general but I hope it helps. More specific

> guidance requires more specific information. But keep the above

> general process in mind as you read the personal stories of others on

> this group. There is a LOT of expertise and wisdom here for some

> truly caring people.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > I'm looking for an air purifier without a motor, i can't stand the

> > noise from the typical hepa air purifiers. There's some other types

> > like one I heard of that uses an infra-red bulb. Which one without a

> > motor would be effective?

> >

> > With the rainy season right now, there's a lot of mold on the ground

> > and my allergies have gotten bad. I really need to find a way to

> > reduce my allegic reactions. Thanks,

> >

> > Elyse

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

November 17, 2006

This sounds great Bill,

thanks for letting me know about this. Have you tried one yourself or

have you only heard about it? I'd like to know if you found it

helpful.

Elyse

On 11/17/06, Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...> wrote:

>

> O•ZONELite -- (OZONE-FREE)

>

> http://www.ozonelite.com/

>

> http://www.ozonelite.com/faq.shtml

>

> Does O•ZONELite emit Ozone?

>

> No, we chose the name because of the wonderful clean air

> smell of ozone released after a thunderstorm.

>

> At 07:13 PM 11/14/2006, macedgeca wrote:

> >

> >I'm looking for an air purifier without a motor, i can't stand the

> >noise from the typical hepa air purifiers. There's some other types

> >like one I heard of that uses an infra-red bulb. Which one without a

> >motor would be effective?

> >

> >With the rainy season right now, there's a lot of mold on the ground

> >and my allergies have gotten bad. I really need to find a way to

> >reduce my allegic reactions. Thanks, Elyse

>

> ---

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

November 17, 2006

Some plants clean the air naturally. I don't know the specifics, but I have

repeatedly heard this, and scientists are finding verification for the

anecdotal accounts, I am prety sure. I think that ferns might be good.. Some

(usually quite rich) people create a wall in their houses with porous rock

and cascade water down it several times daily using timers and pumps. If

this is done correctly, and its tricky, it doesn't get moldy.. (of course,

it is a haven for PLANTS, like a canyon wall in a forest..) and they can

plant ferns, etc. in premade little niches in the rock wall..

Not a cheap solution, and if you screw up, you could end up with a mold

nightmare..But its an interesting idea..

These kinds of things actually generate new oxygen... from CO2...

There is no cleaner air than the air in a woods near the ocean.. it does NOT

smell moldy...

I have lived in redwood forests (years before I got sick) and its always

been my understanding that redwood naturally resists mold..

The air there is amazing.. really fresh and clean-smelling..

November 17, 2006

Bill,

If you and others derive benefit from this, that is great. But don't

believe the advertising " spin " of how or why or " should. " Also, make

sure there is a connection between the independent claims of the

science and the claims of the actual product. I'm also troubled about

why the first statement on the page is the " Ozonelite " doesn't

produce " ozone " - as if ozone if bad? - but they chose the name

because of the benefits of " ozone " after a thunderstorm. (?)

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

>

> OoZONELite -- (OZONE-FREE)

>

> http://www.ozonelite.com/

>

> http://www.ozonelite.com/faq.shtml

>

> Does OoZONELite emit Ozone?

>

> No, we chose the name because of the wonderful clean air

> smell of ozone released after a thunderstorm.

>

> At 07:13 PM 11/14/2006, macedgeca wrote:

> >

> >I'm looking for an air purifier without a motor, i can't stand the

> >noise from the typical hepa air purifiers. There's some other types

> >like one I heard of that uses an infra-red bulb. Which one without a

> >motor would be effective?

> >

> >With the rainy season right now, there's a lot of mold on the ground

> >and my allergies have gotten bad. I really need to find a way to

> >reduce my allegic reactions. Thanks, Elyse

>

> ---

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

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