Re: Re: New Member with Weight Loss /Moldieme -I think

[Guest guest]

Barb,

What you said about the digestive system really caught my attention. Have

any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichothecene exposure

and something like colitis/ulcerative colitis? I am now very curious to get

the trichothecene testing done myself. Is CSM the primary/only treatment

for trichothecene exposure or have they come up with any other

possibilities?

Thanks,

Chris

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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:58 PM

Subject: [] Re: New Member with Weight Loss /Moldieme -I think

Dear Moldieme,

You can have weight loss due to tricothecenes and it can be quite

serious. I have same thing, tricothecene toxic, shows in blood and

urine. I lost alot of weight. Tricothecenes can ruin your

digestive tract seriously. Despite eating well, my nutrition level,

particularly proteins. My amino acid level is extremely low despite

trying to eat a high protein diet. ALL your hormones are made up of

amino acid molecules so if you are not able to digest proteins and

turn them into amino acids your hormones will be deficient also.

This is a very serious side affect of tricothecenes. Dr Croft who

does testing for tricothecenes and also does tissue biopsies said

that it can destroy your digestive tract to the point that the cilia

that absorbs nutrients and moves food along can literally slough off

and a person can die from that. I began losing weight two years ago

and I'm still here but skinny, but don't take the weight loss or the

tricothecenes lightly. I had trouble taking CSM because it seemed

too rough on my digestive system but lately I have been doing okay

but I take a very reduced dose.

By all means, see one of the mold doctors you mentioned, but main

thing is finding and spending as much time as possible in non moldy

environment. This can be difficult to find. We all have our own

systems here. I am also staying in hotel for awhile but think I

have found a temporary apartment that seems to be in good condition

and cleaner than average for mold but it took me 2 and a half months

of looking.

There is so much information here, you will just have to start

reading here and listening to everyone as it is too much to tell

someone all at once.

> I have been quite ill and dropping weight like mad. I have

tested

> positive for tricocothenes in my urine - the toxins producted by

> the molds, as well as are very chemically and electrically

sensitive

> after inhaling consruction dust and mold at high concentrations

in a

> construction zone- (yes, we should have been in a hotel- but we

> werent.)! What can I do to get this out of my body and my

childrens? "

>

[Guest guest]

There is a new medication, a complex of carnosine and zinc, that shows a lot

of promise in treating ulcer-like GI injuries..

In the meantime, people who have GI illness might want to look into

spplementation with l-carnosine. (and always , zinc is a good idea..)

L-Carnosine also slows the glycation (one aspect of cell aging) process. Its

also an excellent antioxidant..

http://www.ffnmag.com/NH/ASP/strArticleID/186/strSite/FFNSite/articleDisplay.asp

http://www.protein.bio.msu.ru/biokhimiya/contents/v65/pdf/bcm_0817.pdf

On 11/12/06, Hannah <chris@...> wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> What you said about the digestive system really caught my attention. Have

> any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichothecene exposure

> and something like colitis/ulcerative colitis? I am now very curious to

> get

> the trichothecene testing done myself. Is CSM the primary/only treatment

> for trichothecene exposure or have they come up with any other

> possibilities?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chris

>

> _____

>

> From: <%40>[mailto:

> <%40>]

> On Behalf Of barb1283

> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:58 PM

> <%40>

> Subject: [] Re: New Member with Weight Loss /Moldieme -I

> think

>

>

> Dear Moldieme,

> You can have weight loss due to tricothecenes and it can be quite

> serious. I have same thing, tricothecene toxic, shows in blood and

> urine. I lost alot of weight. Tricothecenes can ruin your

> digestive tract seriously. Despite eating well, my nutrition level,

> particularly proteins. My amino acid level is extremely low despite

> trying to eat a high protein diet. ALL your hormones are made up of

> amino acid molecules so if you are not able to digest proteins and

> turn them into amino acids your hormones will be deficient also.

> This is a very serious side affect of tricothecenes. Dr Croft who

> does testing for tricothecenes and also does tissue biopsies said

> that it can destroy your digestive tract to the point that the cilia

> that absorbs nutrients and moves food along can literally slough off

> and a person can die from that. I began losing weight two years ago

> and I'm still here but skinny, but don't take the weight loss or the

> tricothecenes lightly. I had trouble taking CSM because it seemed

> too rough on my digestive system but lately I have been doing okay

> but I take a very reduced dose.

> By all means, see one of the mold doctors you mentioned, but main

> thing is finding and spending as much time as possible in non moldy

> environment. This can be difficult to find. We all have our own

> systems here. I am also staying in hotel for awhile but think I

> have found a temporary apartment that seems to be in good condition

> and cleaner than average for mold but it took me 2 and a half months

> of looking.

> There is so much information here, you will just have to start

> reading here and listening to everyone as it is too much to tell

> someone all at once.

>

>

>

> > I have been quite ill and dropping weight like mad. I have

> tested

> > positive for tricocothenes in my urine - the toxins producted by

> > the molds, as well as are very chemically and electrically

> sensitive

> > after inhaling consruction dust and mold at high concentrations

> in a

> > construction zone- (yes, we should have been in a hotel- but we

> > werent.)! What can I do to get this out of my body and my

> childrens? "

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/06 10:57:36 A.M. Atlantic Standard Time,

chris@... writes:

Hi this isn't Barb but I thought I'd chime in. I had a lot of

intestinal problems before finally finding out what was wrong with me. Funny I

haven't had any problems since leaving my workplace. It all makes sense due to

the

inflammation and I think it's mentioned in one of Dr. Shoemaker's books or I

read about it in another source.

Sue

Barb,

What you said about the digestive system really caught my attention. Have

any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichotheany of these

and something like colitis/ulcerative colitis? I am now very curious to get

the trichothecene testing done myself. Is CSM the primary/only treatment

for trichothecene exposure or have they come up with any other

possibilities?

Thanks,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yes, I remember reading this. I also read that lipopolysaccarides in your

bloodstream (this can happen from reflux or a leaky gut) make some

mycotoxins MUCH more toxic because of a synergistic reaction between the

mycotoxins and endotoxins in producing apoptopsis (programmed cell death)

This was hypothesized as another reason some people get sicker than others..

Also, (unrelated) apples are great, and one of the reasons for it is

Quercetin.

I don't know its effect on the GI tract, but it is clearly a reducer of

inflammation.

Also, check out those URLS on the zinc-carnosine complex. It looks

promising.

[Guest guest]

Ya know I have been having some major issues with my memory latley so I am

reading my butt of because I saw in the last three post's and thought I

had completly gone insane again and had no recolection of something I had

posted, not that has not happened, but I finally get to the end of this and

realize it is another Chris. Phew. One thing at a time son, I know its bad but

keep it together... (I am saying that to myself)

Barb,

As far as wondering if the appetite is something from exposure it is hard to

say really. From what I think is my experience Prior to being exposed I was not

a big eater. Stupid as it sounds, I was a busy body and felt sitting down to eat

was just wasting time I could be getting something done. I never gained weight,

ever. During Boot Camp in 1984 I was my heaviest and in best shape. I weighed

145 or so. Although my muscle mass might have gone saggy I always remained at

that weight. Shortly after being exposed last year I still did not eat that

much. I did eat just not alot each time. But I did begin very strong cravings

for sweets. I rocketed up to 165 for no reason whatsoever. Not long ago I spent

about four days in bed and ate nothing. When I went to the doctor I had gained

two pounds. I have no idea what that means or what the reason might be but I

thought I would share that the same. Regardless of my diet or anything I do I am

unable to get under the 160 mark. Which

is not a problem I am sure for my age and all that is normal but it is just the

timeing and everything else that makes me wonder why.

The other Chris...

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

The pathologist I talked to who did analysis on my tissue deals

primarily with tricothecenes and said of the soft tissue organs,

that the digestive system is the organ most affected by

tricothecenes. He knows first hand since he has done autopsies for

court cases on mold exposure and said the thing that he most notices

is that the digestive system of people with high exposure to

tricothecenes is shot.

As for doctors knowing this, only doctors who are known to this

group who are sticking their necks out and diagnosing mold illness

that I know of. You mention mold connection to anything other than

allergies and you will be told that only a very few people get sick

from mold and these are people like organ transplant recipients, etc.

The best way to get better (other than CSM or in addition to CSM) it

seems from all I've heard and read and since I am not better myself,

I can not say much else, is giving your body the EXACT opposite of

what made it sick in the first place. That is true of almost every

illness anyway... if you know what made you ill. So that is being

as mold free as possible in air you breath and food you eat, so your

body can just focus on clearing out the mold and toxins you already

have, instead of body having to spend energy fighting new attacks

from the outside world. This is **MUCH** harder than it sounds.

Also if you have been overexposed to mold, bacteria problem too so

not to leave them out, living extra cleanly.

How hard is this? First you have to find a cleaner than average

environment in which to live, and if you still work, cleaner than

average environment in which to work ALSO...sound hard yet?? Then

you need to eliminate from your diet things that are mold because

ingesting mold is another way we get mold and toxins. You can get

idea of going on a mold-free/mycotoxin free diet is at:

mold-survivor.com.

<http://mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html>

I would imagine that if you have significant exposure to

tricothecenes and digestive disturbance then mold and toxin free

diet would be very important. Basically to avoid foods that are

moldy or toxic you eat fresh foods, whole apples, lettuce, whole

tomatoes, fresh not processed or dried meat, etc. You avoid any

type of food that is stored for long periods as it always is subject

to mold, like grains, nuts, seeds, dried fruit, etc. You avoid aged

things, like aged cheese..cheddar for example, but can eat cottage

cheese since it isn't aged. Etc.

If you can do those things, the body should heal itself, if illness

has not gone too far. Add some CSM in to hassen the detoxification

process. My doctor has me taking Ascorbic acid powder to gut

tolerance, meaning as much as I can take without getting diahrea

which isn't much. I can take 1/4 tea 3 times a day. Dr

Marinkovich, whose diet above is taken from, also says ascorbic acid

is a detoxifier, and emphasises that this is not 'citric acid'. I

have an ascorbic acid powder that has magnesium in it and it fizzes

in water. I don't know where to get it. I get it from my doctor.

Dr Marinkovich sells an ascorbic acid powder but he says any

ascorbic acid powder will do and he recommends using it to detoxify

grains if you use them and wash fruit or veggies in. I make oatmeal

once in awhile and I put a pinch of salt in water since that allows

the water to boil hotter I have been told, and also put ascorbic

acid in water to hopefully detoxify the oatmeal as much as possible,

and I boil it on very high heat for short. Sometimes I feel I need

some grains to balance out my diet and I do it by making a hot

cereal out of them with ascorbic acid in water, cream of wheat,

oatmeal, rice cereal, but I don't have much of these.

Don't know what works and what doesn't. There aren't many studies

done on this and I am new to this too. After 15 years of being

exposed to more mold than was good for me, I have only been out of

that home for two months and a week, so not that long, and this

temporary place has a moldy a/c unit in it so not really in a very

clean place yet. I have been following mold and toxin free diet. I

have *huge* appetite. I don't know if that is sign of good health

returning or I need the food since my digestive system isn't working

properly. I will let you know.

If you just lead a healthier life, your body has amazing ability to

heal itself that most people don't realize or go to the bother.

Obviously illness can go too far and more than living healthy needs

to be done, but you can do both.

Dr Croft can do analysis on urine for tricothecenes. If you send

him a skin sample he can do analysis of that also. If you can get a

GI doctor to take biopsy of colon lining, he can do analysis on that

also to determine exposure to tricothecenes. As for myself, I don't

want anyone putting a hole in my colon lining but I was told that

can show degree of damage, but I know I have tricothecene over

exposure so I am not interested in more testing. Dr Hooper in

Dallas analyises urine for the three main toxins, aflotoxin,

tricothecenes and 'the other one', I can never remember it. Too

lazy to look it up. However tricothecenes are considered the

scarier of the three.

--- In , " Hannah " <chris@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

> > What you said about the digestive system really caught my

attention. Have

> any of these doctors made a link between mycotoxin/trichothecene

exposure

>

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[Guest guest]

Barb, this isn't an answer to you but I just read Chris' post just below

yours where he mentions the cravings for sweets! I hadn't thought about it

untiljust now how horrible my cravings were. All I wanted was chocolate, ice

cream or cake! Fortunately for me I didn't gain any weight because I refused to

eat too much of it. But I wanted to devour anything sweet, especially

chocolate!! Honestly, my cravings were so intense it was frightening!!!!!!!!!!

I

had never experienced anything like it.

Sue

Ya know I have been having some major issues with my memory latley so I am

reading my butt of because I saw in the last three post's and thought I

had completly gone insane again and had no recolection of something I had

posted, not that has not happened, but I finally get to the end of this and

realize it is another Chris. Phew. One thing at a time son, I know its bad but

keep it together... (I am saying that to myself)

Barb,

As far as wondering if the appetite is something from exposure it is hard to

say really. From what I think is my experience Prior to being exposed I was

not a big eater. Stupid as it sounds, I was a busy body and felt sitting down

to eat was just wasting time I could be getting something done. I never

gained weight, ever. During Boot Camp in 1984 I was my heaviest and in best

shape. I weighed 145 or so. Although my muscle mass might have gone saggy I

always

remained at that weight. Shortly after being exposed last year I still did

not eat that much. I did eat just not alot each time. But I did begin very

strong cravings for sweets. I rocketed up to 165 for no reason whatsoever. Not

long ago I spent about four days in bed and ate nothing. When I went to the

doctor I had gained two pounds. I have no idea what that means or what the

reason might be but I thought I would share that the same. Regardless of my

diet

or anything I do I am unable to get under the 160 mark. Which

is not a problem I am sure for my age and all that is normal but it is just

the timeing and everything else that makes me wonder why.

The other Chris...