Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I understand. Our NT son is 13 and he has had to deal with his ASD sister. He gets frustrated and is also very good with her. I noticed he started treating her more compassionately around 12. Sometimes the frustration is so hard to bear - especially for us when our daughter is around other kids her age who are NT. The differences are just so clear, but she brings something to the table, too. She's kind, loving, forgiving, and tolerant. Most of her friends wouldn't be described like that. Perhaps the first words that come to mind for them would be sports involved, team players, dancers, spelling bee winners - mainly group oriented. Our daughter just doesn't follow a group mentality. But, most of her " friends " are accepting - some are down right hateful. She had a great day yesterday which I will always be thankful!!!! I'll keep your family in my prayers. I worry about our son, too. But, I believe - as you - that he'll be a much better person because of his experiences with his sister. I told him not to get jealous of the time that his sister requires. If anything ever happens - and he need our help - we'll do anything and everything for him, too. He knows how much we love them both - but, I think it helps for him to see us discipline our daughter, too. We try to treat them equally as best we can. We don't have a support group in our area. I've often wondered if it would help our son to talk to other siblings - just so he knows he's not alone. Shari OT- The " prison " of ASD Just wanted to share some thoughts on coping after a very difficult weekend with my high-functioning daughter who had a tantrum in the middle of a rare family outing. The same thing happened to a friend of mine and we discussed the effect this has on our other children. As we hurriedly left the pumpkin patch on Saturday, my 11 year old NT son sobbed in the car as his sister continued to rage about having to wait for me to pick up a bag of apples at the farmstand. My friend's son derailed a family church outing and she told me that she was so angry that she couldn't even go to church when it was over. I had this thought about Mandela. He was imprisoned for many years and one of his most significant accomplishments was that he emerged after years without bitterness. Maybe one of the goals for us as an ASD family is to emerge from this without bitterness also. It's so hard - because I really do feel like I am in prison - my daughter's challenges place incredible restrictions on our family life and on my life. But if we can show people that we can love our children even when they are incredibly unloveable - what a powerful lesson for the world. As much as I regret the pain that my son lives through - I know that he will never turn his back on someone in need and I hope he is learning important lessons about not letting hard times crush your spirit. I don't know if this is helpful for anyone at all - but I find that the listserv community has been my emotional lifeline for over five years now - a circle of people who " have been there " and know the pain of seeing other people live in a different way. I wish you all strength to continue the journey. Kathy McNamara Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Several photos from the 1940s and early 1950s show me tantruming and/or extremely tense during brief, informal foto sessions at family reunions. From mid-school onwards, I often walked away from school and never preferred crowded places, calming myself by immersing myself in the nearest forest. Only after wallowing in med lit (beginning in 1989) and learning about hyperstimulation have I been able to be more conscious of situations likely to induce a meltdown in me, to be more able to steer away from those situations, even as social pressures often try to impose participation. Even today, social avoidance remains an innate " talent " - even as I've learned to override those tendencies at conferences, etc. I can see a neighbor as I'm about to exit my domicile, and my usual reaction is to exit moments later, after the situation inducing social stress has passed. Birdman of Alcatraz portrayed a prisoner who became a bird specialist. But I wonder if a person who accepts his or her solitudinality amidst nature, beside nearly deep nature is imprisoned - or if that's a construct created by people who are neurotypical and thus are more traditionally social. Many of Bev Doolittle's paintings delineate human spirit entwined with nature, a consciousness that western civilization continuously endeavors to suppress. Of course, as conquest continued on Turtle Island (now called the US of A), the old-ways Indians were likely to be killed, imprisoned, or confined to " mental " instutitions. Rambling notions on a sunny morning in the mountains, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Kathy, Shari, and All Synchronicity urges me to add a note to your important dialog... Last Saturday I visited the Tehachepi Prison in California with a group of men devoted to improving the criminal justice system. The group includes a just-retired Associate Warden of the prison. Being taken around by someone who knew the prison, its staff and many of the prisoners so well moved the experience into a deep place in me that was life altering. Several of the strongest moments involved watching the visiting families, many with young children, talking and weeping with the inmates while the men were holding their babies. Another profound moment was when we visited the " Special Needs " dorm--166 men all in one large room and all on meds. In our group's councils after the prison visit I was struck many times with the similarity between the extended " prison clan " --prisoners, families and prison staff--and our ASD clan. I see our children imprisoned by their (polluted) " environment " in much the same way the literally imprisoned are incarcerated behind walls and electric fences by a society that is not yet willing to embrace their shadows in a truly informed and compassionate way. For us this challenge begins in the family with siblings, extends in many cases to our schools and also to our communities. I share your feelings that our NT siblings have an enormous opportunity to see and know compassion 24/7. I believe they and all of us are being trained to move our culture into a greater sense of mutuality and interdependence. I see this also in the " inclusive " classes in schools when the teachers see the learning possibilities for the NT as well as the Special Needs students. Chelsey's siblings have struggled with the same issues of embarrassment, destruction of their personal property, having their family life significantly altered, etc. by their ASD sister. They also love her as do your NT children--and the complexity and sophistication of that love I believe will serve them well in the future. Chelsey's parents have a weekly family meeting to discuss these issues and relate them to the families spiritual life (They are Mormons). These meetings have frequently had the theme of " What are the opportunities offered us by having Chelsey as a member of our family? " It is not easy for them but they are growing day by day with the challenges. One decision they made some time back was that her two older sisters would occasionally do the neurofeedback (PlayAttention) sessions with Chelsey so that they could understand more intimately the nature of her difficulties and participate in the healing process. Chelsey's mother also attends a monthly support group for ASD parents. We are all being healed... Jack Dwayne wrote: I understand. Our NT son is 13 and he has had to deal with his ASD sister. He gets frustrated and is also very good with her. I noticed he started treating her more compassionately around 12. Sometimes the frustration is so hard to bear - especially for us when our daughter is around other kids her age who are NT. The differences are just so clear, but she brings something to the table, too. She's kind, loving, forgiving, and tolerant. Most of her friends wouldn't be described like that. Perhaps the first words that come to mind for them would be sports involved, team players, dancers, spelling bee winners - mainly group oriented. Our daughter just doesn't follow a group mentality. But, most of her " friends " are accepting - some are down right hateful. She had a great day yesterday which I will always be thankful!!!! I'll keep your family in my prayers. I worry about our son, too. But, I believe - as you - that he'll be a much better person because of his experiences with his sister. I told him not to get jealous of the time that his sister requires. If anything ever happens - and he need our help - we'll do anything and everything for him, too. He knows how much we love them both - but, I think it helps for him to see us discipline our daughter, too. We try to treat them equally as best we can. We don't have a support group in our area. I've often wondered if it would help our son to talk to other siblings - just so he knows he's not alone. Shari OT- The " prison " of ASD Just wanted to share some thoughts on coping after a very difficult weekend with my high-functioning daughter who had a tantrum in the middle of a rare family outing. The same thing happened to a friend of mine and we discussed the effect this has on our other children. As we hurriedly left the pumpkin patch on Saturday, my 11 year old NT son sobbed in the car as his sister continued to rage about having to wait for me to pick up a bag of apples at the farmstand. My friend's son derailed a family church outing and she told me that she was so angry that she couldn't even go to church when it was over. I had this thought about Mandela. He was imprisoned for many years and one of his most significant accomplishments was that he emerged after years without bitterness. Maybe one of the goals for us as an ASD family is to emerge from this without bitterness also. It's so hard - because I really do feel like I am in prison - my daughter's challenges place incredible restrictions on our family life and on my life. But if we can show people that we can love our children even when they are incredibly unloveable - what a powerful lesson for the world. As much as I regret the pain that my son lives through - I know that he will never turn his back on someone in need and I hope he is learning important lessons about not letting hard times crush your spirit. I don't know if this is helpful for anyone at all - but I find that the listserv community has been my emotional lifeline for over five years now - a circle of people who " have been there " and know the pain of seeing other people live in a different way. I wish you all strength to continue the journey. Kathy McNamara Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Even JAMA (or NEJM) published that 1 in 6 children have a dev disability. As they become young adults, then not so young adults, their needs for pharm meds will be HUGE, which is good for pharmcos' primary stockholders, but very not good for the wellbeing of American society. In large part, the increase in late-teen and young-adult criminals (and the costs for their adjudication, counseling, and incarceration) is probably due such children partaking of the junk-food society wherein toxic sludge is " safe " to use as fertilizer (Ann Gorsuch EPA circa 1981 and still in effect) and wherein iatrogenic illnesses due to hypervaccinosis and toxicovaccinosis have become the norm. The rebellion is growing as some state governors and govts pursue pharms from Canada, as nurses boycott state-forced vaccinations in the state of Washington, as autism parents continue to help Geier, Geier, Haley, Cave, Baskin, Deth, and others to bring to light vaccines adverse sequelae and the etiologic mechanisms. Will pharmcos perversely excessive power be toned down a notch? Sure seems to depend upon the Nov election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Shari, I run a sib group and I can tell you first hand that the kids age 5- 16ish LOVE it. Try to find others in his shoes. Marla - We don't have a support group in our area. I've often wondered if it would help our son to talk to other siblings - just so he knows he's not alone. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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