Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Yes Hannah, Stuart does get rather involved with libido, but asking him to lower it for someone would bring him out in a rash. I had to lie down with a cold flannel to my head at the thought. Ugggh! Humulus is the classic. Lactuca may be another option or maybe Escholtzia (if you can spell it). What about strong phyto-oestrogenic herbs such as fennel. sinensis, even though a tonic herb can be very antiandrogen in some men and thus lower sex drive. Got to be careful with isoflavones though because they may actually increase libido. Corydalis yanhusuo may be another as it is opiate like. On the subject of libido, does anyone know what the following refer to: Chao Ji Meng Nan Jian Yang Bao Jian Jing Li Wu Xian Stuart Fitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 DearHannah, it seems to me that trying to reduce this man's libido would be to just have a go at the symptoms and not deal with the actual problem - the loss of trust and ease in the relationship. Obviously the news of such an important part of his wife's life (who after 12 yrs he'd rightly expected to know pretty well, and who wasn't exactly promiscuous before that) emerging only now, has completely thrown him. This is not his problem, but their problem, and I would strongly advice them to seek couple counselling to help them reestablish trust and security in their relationship. The increased libido is not a condition, but merely part of his response to having the rug pulled from underneath his feet. Hope this helps Sabine RE: To reduce libido > > Thanks to and Alan, > I hadn't thought of lactuca, unfortunately I do not have any Humulus at > present although I might order some as my next step. I guess I would have to > give a simple as pts meds is still on the go and he is pleased with > improvements in mental chatter and sleep/ mood etc. How much would be a good > dosage for this condition? Any thought appreciated! > > Re the vitex I am already giving him 15 ml pw of 1:1 (FE) could I use more? > Would it be better to give him extra as a simple again and if so what dosage > and when? Would it need to be first thing in the morning to work in this way > or would the hypothalamus have less to do with direct libido functioning > than it does in female hormonal regulation? > > Hoping to get some more feedback from all you learned souls! Has any one > else had this sx as a presenting complaint before? What works?! Surely > Stuart Fitzsimmons must have, he always gets the libido patients! > Yours in hopefull anticipation, > Hannah Barton > Mid Devon. > > > > > > List Owner > > > > Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Hi, I have used ½ / ½ Vitex and Humulus in horses (stallions) with too much libido with great success. It should work in humans too. Stina Re: To reduce libido > > Hannah Barton wrote: > > > Hoping to get some more feedback from all you learned souls! Has any one > > else had this sx as a presenting complaint before? What works?! Surely > > Stuart Fitzsimmons must have, he always gets the libido patients! > > I've had a few calls about it, but nobody's called back to tell me if it > worked or not. > > I suggest they pick willow catkins in spring and freeze those; then make > a teaspoon to 2 dl water into a tea. > They only work fresh, according to the eclectics - so freeze'em fresh. > And I'm not sure about species; the eclectics used black willow, which > (AFAIK) we don't have, up here. So fresh catkins in tea, any willow, and > please report back. Do they though? Not so far, no. I have high hopes for > one guy though, he called a week or two ago, and we still have some > catkins about. > > Henriette > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed > > > > > List Owner > > > > Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Hello Hannah, >it seems to me that trying to reduce this man's libido would be to just have >a go at the symptoms and not deal with the actual problem - the loss of >trust and ease in the relationship. >The increased libido >is not a condition, but merely part of his response Sabine has echoed some of my thoughts - the libido seems a reactive symptom to (perceived) stress. When I read your notes re: this patient I considered he has been through immense change, pressure (barn conversion & work) and some disappointment (failure with bonus, when money needed). The issue re: his wife's history and the subsequent lack of being able to deal with it would appear to be the last straw and his (chosen) emotional focus. He's not coping which is evident in his symptoms and he can't seem to deal with another issue that is (very) old... (Please excuse, the teach grandmother to suck eggs...) When beginning a new relationship, people forget that their new partner has a history - is the choice of partner based on that history or because the partner is chosen for themselves? Does the history matter - it has been and it has gone and it has nothing to do with the present. The only UNLESS I can think of is that the new partner is hanging on to it and that influences their behaviour and the relationship. I have never understood the jealousy some people have of or for historical partners, for they are history! If your patient feels there is a trust issue, perhaps he might be wise to re-consider his own perception? With best regards, Benn -- Benn Abdy- MCPP Medical Herbalist Windsor & London 0 or 07957 65 88 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Dear Stuart, , Benn et al. Many, many thanks for your input on this issue. I must say that I have spoken at length to the pt re the issues surrounding his sx. He is well aware that the libido is as a result of his insecurity, however he is caught in a vicious circle at present and would like some sx help whilst dealing with the wider issues. I think I might consider referring them to counselling tho. The problem I would like cleared up is dosage. I think that it needs to be a mix that is separate from main (as that is going well) but am lost as to when/ how much to rx for optimum results whilst not sending him to sleep at work for example. Especially if I am to rx lactuca and escholtchzia (no I can't spell it either Stuart!). All further help most gratefully received! Hannah Barton MNIMH Mid Devon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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