Fw: Cannabis withdrawal & RA

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm trying this one again - I think (so does Pt) that this is not a case

of detox, but rather that the cannabis controlled the pain - though please

correct me if I'm wrong! The last 10 yrs or so she had 1 joint daily

(grass), previuously more.

What i'm wondering is , can somebody suggest a herb that would substitute

the cannabis for this patient, because she really does not want to get back

on it.

Any advice would be much appreciated!

all the best

Sabine

- Cannabis withdrawal & RA

> Query: female, 46yrs, who i've been treating for RA and emotional support

for quite a while (in fact i had posted a query before, re vulnerability

after therapy), had been doing really well on her latest mix (Curcuma,

Agrimonia, Dioscorea, , Scutellaria, Cinnamomum), no pain, energy

good, feeling great, though BM still bit loose.

>

> About 5 weeks ago she stopped smoking cannabis (after having done so for

30yrs), and since then has been in continuous pain, esp in hands (can't open

tins), and feet. Herbal pain mix (Harpagophytum, Salix, Vib.op., Althea rad,

Zingiber) not working anymore. Ulnar deviation much increased. Feels tired.

Circulation was warm, but suffers from cold extremities now, mouth dry in

morning, sudden & new craving for meat. When she satisfied that urge, she

noticed a better formed BM.

>

> Has anybody come across this response to stopping cannabis, and is there

any way in which it could be alleviated? Did cannabis in fact control the

pain? She half feels like going back on it, but doesn't want to, she feels

delighted that she managed to break the addiction.

> She's taking EFAs, B vits, multivits, wheatgerm oil.

>

> I'm thinking of trying Cimicifuga and Zanthox in her new mix - any

suggestions?

>

> Many thanks in advance!

> Best wishes

> Sabine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Sabine

Did your patient smoke the cannabis mixed with tobacco?

If so, it is probably nicotine withdrawal she is experiencing rather than

cannbis withdrawal which is not an addictive substance.

The cold she is feeling will need circulatory stimulants as she is not getting

the nicotine hit. Pain may also be associated with circulatory problems as well

as the tension she is feeling from withdrawal.

all the best

Des

, Medical Herbalist

Stowmarket, Suffolk

Mulloy & Sabine Hiller wrote:

Hi, I'm trying this one again - I think (so does Pt) that this is not a case

of detox, but rather that the cannabis controlled the pain - though please

correct me if I'm wrong! The last 10 yrs or so she had 1 joint daily

(grass), previuously more.

What i'm wondering is , can somebody suggest a herb that would substitute

the cannabis for this patient, because she really does not want to get back

on it.

Any advice would be much appreciated!

all the best

Sabine

- Cannabis withdrawal & RA

> Query: female, 46yrs, who i've been treating for RA and emotional support

for quite a while (in fact i had posted a query before, re vulnerability

after therapy), had been doing really well on her latest mix (Curcuma,

Agrimonia, Dioscorea, , Scutellaria, Cinnamomum), no pain, energy

good, feeling great, though BM still bit loose.

>

> About 5 weeks ago she stopped smoking cannabis (after having done so for

30yrs), and since then has been in continuous pain, esp in hands (can't open

tins), and feet. Herbal pain mix (Harpagophytum, Salix, Vib.op., Althea rad,

Zingiber) not working anymore. Ulnar deviation much increased. Feels tired.

Circulation was warm, but suffers from cold extremities now, mouth dry in

morning, sudden & new craving for meat. When she satisfied that urge, she

noticed a better formed BM.

>

> Has anybody come across this response to stopping cannabis, and is there

any way in which it could be alleviated? Did cannabis in fact control the

pain? She half feels like going back on it, but doesn't want to, she feels

delighted that she managed to break the addiction.

> She's taking EFAs, B vits, multivits, wheatgerm oil.

>

> I'm thinking of trying Cimicifuga and Zanthox in her new mix - any

suggestions?

>

> Many thanks in advance!

> Best wishes

> Sabine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Cimicifuga and Zanthox I like very much for arthritic pain, and how

> about Guiaicum? I find that sometimes makes the difference in pain.

> Does anyone know the thinking on the mechanism of pain relief by

> cannabis? Might help in substituting?

>

> Sally

>

> Sally Owen MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist

> Mid Wales

>

> sally@...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Des & Sally,

no, can't be nicotine withdrawal, as she still smokes 2-3 fags a day (her

last vice..). As to addictiveness, I thought that cannabis was emotionally

addictive?

I was thinking of including Cimicifuga & Zanthox, had also checked the

booklet to see what herbs would have similar actions on the

different systems as Cannabis, Cimicifuga was one of them, also Scutellaria,

besides Bryonia, Datura etc (stuff I can't use in Ireland).

Thanks for your replies!

Sabine

Cannabis withdrawal & RA

>

>

> > Query: female, 46yrs, who i've been treating for RA and emotional

support

> for quite a while (in fact i had posted a query before, re vulnerability

> after therapy), had been doing really well on her latest mix (Curcuma,

> Agrimonia, Dioscorea, , Scutellaria, Cinnamomum), no pain, energy

> good, feeling great, though BM still bit loose.

> >

> > About 5 weeks ago she stopped smoking cannabis (after having done so for

> 30yrs), and since then has been in continuous pain, esp in hands (can't

open

> tins), and feet. Herbal pain mix (Harpagophytum, Salix, Vib.op., Althea

rad,

> Zingiber) not working anymore. Ulnar deviation much increased. Feels

tired.

> Circulation was warm, but suffers from cold extremities now, mouth dry in

> morning, sudden & new craving for meat. When she satisfied that urge, she

> noticed a better formed BM.

> >

> > Has anybody come across this response to stopping cannabis, and is there

> any way in which it could be alleviated? Did cannabis in fact control the

> pain? She half feels like going back on it, but doesn't want to, she feels

> delighted that she managed to break the addiction.

> > She's taking EFAs, B vits, multivits, wheatgerm oil.

> >

> > I'm thinking of trying Cimicifuga and Zanthox in her new mix - any

> suggestions?

> >

> > Many thanks in advance!

> > Best wishes

> > Sabine

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You could try cannabis as a homoepathic potency if the symptoms fit. I think

s will make it up for you. Feverfew can cause exacerbation of arthritic

pain when the dose is reduced, maybe other things can too.

Another option is to have her make up a cannabis tincture, take dose that

relieves pain, then reduce it gradually. Don't know what the ruling is in

Ireland but I think it can be prescribed here for pain relief.

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