Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Dear Vicki, Re wheat, I believe the modern strains of wheat have been developed to yield higher protein levels (I presume via the gluten) which might make them more allergenic to susceptible people. Best wishes tongue ulcer and food intolerances I have swilled my mouth with myrrh tincture for gingivitis and it is not that bad. Thanks for all replies on the lymph ointment. I will indeed formulate my own. I have a question re diets and food intolerances. Why do members think it is that we are seein now after thousands of years of dairy and wheat ingestion these problems? is it the changes to the wheat or hormones and antibiotics leaching into the milk products from the cows? Or is it that fewer children are breastfed and this has implications in terms of the intestines/ digestion of foods? Too early introduction of foods to babies has always been my reasoning, but I acknowledge this is not always the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 how about 'everybody's liver is under intolerable stress because of modern pollution - of food, air, water, everything. everybody's body/mind/spirit is under intolerable stress because of modern lifelstyles' we're not living as we were designed to do.... marianne ==================================================== nne Last BA MNIMH, Consultant Medical Herbalist Tel/Fax: 01600 719497 www.mariannelast.co.uk tongue ulcer and food intolerances I have swilled my mouth with myrrh tincture for gingivitis and it is not that bad. Thanks for all replies on the lymph ointment. I will indeed formulate my own. I have a question re diets and food intolerances. Why do members think it is that we are seein now after thousands of years of dairy and wheat ingestion these problems? is it the changes to the wheat or hormones and antibiotics leaching into the milk products from the cows? Or is it that fewer children are breastfed and this has implications in terms of the intestines/ digestion of foods? Too early introduction of foods to babies has always been my reasoning, but I acknowledge this is not always the case. Or is it other aspects of food intake that mean the proteins don't get digested thoroughly and so irritate immune-lymphoid tissue in the gut? Perhaps the trans-fatty acids? Or additives that get into the meat? - sorry I'm not a nutritionist, but these are fairly recent in our diet. I would appreciate others' thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Hi Vicki, >Why do members think it is that we are seein now after thousands of years >of dairy and wheat ingestion these problems? When you say " we " , do you mean the UK, Europe, rest of the world? I don't know myself as I've never seen any epidemiological data on high wheat consuming cultures like Italy, central Europe, the Asian wheat belts, and as a result I don't buy the theory that it arrived relatively late in human diets and is therefore intolerable. As you say, people survived on it for thousands of years, including the recent years of WWII. British bread is by far and away the most industrialised in Europe, there is no time for the grain to ferment, you need to toast it to make it palatable, but its cheap (although actually you pay for a lot of air and water), and having it sliced leaves you lot of quality time to brush up on your foreign languages. Margarine is also cheap, and because it's so easy to spread, you have more quality time (I've lost count of the number of patients who've told me they won't eat butter because it's hard). We also eat a lot of heavily processed grain, starting with extruded cereal in the morning with milk followed by sandwiches for lunch. We have a lot of milk at our disposal as we have the pasture to produce it, and the coolish climate, refrigeration and technology to keep it fresh. I don't know whether A versus B-type milk does play a role in dairy intolerances -perhaps a nutritionist can explain, and also whether lacto-vegetarians are particularly prone to these problems. All the best, Krystyna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Dear all, Following very curious experience with family member what about it not being the wheat/grain that's causing the problem but rather the agents that are used to make the stuff flow easily through the machines. These are I understand also used with other food stuffs which may explain the rather curious foods some fold react to as well as wheat. With many of my patients I find that they don;t have an intolerance or allergy as such simply that these things are in the diet in far too high a percentage. i.e. cereals for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch, pasta for tea and snacks in between when we reduce them to more sensible levels the symptoms often resolve.I also feel that you are right in looking at the type of bread eaten. French bread I find leaves me feeling very ill though I like it but I can tolerate a small amount of the white stuff here but none of the wholemeal or granary. In my own case its definitely down to over-exposure as a hungry child coming in from school and scoffing it then later making bread every day for 20 years for the family. But similar conditions apply to people eating it all day everyday. Allshorn Re: tongue ulcer and food intolerances > > Hi Vicki, > > > >Why do members think it is that we are seein now after thousands of years > >of dairy and wheat ingestion these problems? > > When you say " we " , do you mean the UK, Europe, rest of the world? > I don't know myself as I've never seen any epidemiological data on high > wheat consuming cultures like Italy, central Europe, the Asian wheat belts, > and as a result I don't buy the theory that it arrived relatively late in > human diets and is therefore intolerable. > As you say, people survived on it for thousands of years, including the > recent years of WWII. > British bread is by far and away the most industrialised in Europe, there > is no time for the grain to ferment, you need to toast it to make it > palatable, but its cheap (although actually you pay for a lot of air and > water), and having it sliced leaves you lot of quality time to brush up on > your foreign languages. > Margarine is also cheap, and because it's so easy to spread, you have more > quality time (I've lost count of the number of patients who've told me they > won't eat butter because it's hard). > We also eat a lot of heavily processed grain, starting with extruded cereal > in the morning with milk followed by sandwiches for lunch. We have a lot of > milk at our disposal as we have the pasture to produce it, and the coolish > climate, refrigeration and technology to keep it fresh. > I don't know whether A versus B-type milk does play a role in dairy > intolerances -perhaps a nutritionist can explain, and also whether > lacto-vegetarians are particularly prone to these problems. > > All the best, > > Krystyna > > > > > > > > > List Owner > > > > Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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