Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 Klara LeVine wrote: Dave, That was very inspiring to read. a reminder - at least to myself, not everyone's overeating problems stems from the same cause, therefore not same solution. ***Hi Klara, I didn't intend to indicate that "Everyone's" overeating problems stems from the same cause. I was just writing about how I cured my overeating problems. I look back on my Macrobiotic journey and have made a correlation to my skeleton like thinness despite eating for 12 (LOL) and binging on sweets to the use of a pressure cooker. Pressure cookers became popular after Michio got more involved in the sixties. Ohsawa cured his so called incurable disease in about 1927 without a pressure cooker. I wonder how much money Michio made over the years on the selling of pressure cookers? Probably a lot. Klara LeVine I love my pressure cooker, don't feel I pc that much. Also don't feel I go for the sweets that much. But I do eat, especially at night, foods not mb, or wider than I want to. I'm almost sure it's because I don't have enough variety - so easy to get into a not thinking rut. Klara ***Maybe it's okay for you given your unique circumstances and unique physical needs to eat more widely. If you are healthy, it may be necessary for you to eat in a more wider fashion. I Love reading the very old Ohsawa books. In Guidebook for Living, the philosophy of of oriental medicine volume iii, he says: He who says, "I cannot practice Macrobiotics does not understand it fully. But suppose that we practice macrobiotics to the letter, repeating everything that we have heard like a phonograph. We are still not Macrobiotic. We must reach the point where we can eat anything without fear of losing our health and happiness. We must control our lives by ourselves. If we adhere to a diet tha has been devised by someone else, our lives are not our own. We must not be rigid." Ohsawa is amazing. I marvel at his desire for freedom and for his attempts to have this freedom available for others too! Dave wrote: I used to over-eat all the time. And no matter how much I ate I did not gain weight. I only lost weight, skeleton thin, and looked sickly, and felt tired all the time. I was over-eating and also binging on too much sweet foods. Then I gave up using a pressure cooker. I know eat without over-eating, have gained weight appropriate to my 6' 2" athletic body, and feel much more energetic.I still enjoy a sweet flavor but have been able to manage that much better as well. I threw out my pressure cooker. Over-eating is excess. Excess is a cause of illness. Dave seigman wrote: Interesting. I'd love to hear your thoughts after you have used it. eating to capacity I also find it hard to stop before being too fullI just got this but have not used it yet - www.powerseed.comseigman wrote: After nursing 3 children, um, quite a long time, my eating is out of control. Although at one point it was warranted, now, it's habit. 80% is hard for me. Heck, 100% is hard for me. I ate so much while nursing that it's a habit. Now that my child bearing/nursing days are over, I have to take a new approach. I feel better when I eat to 80%, but out of habit, I eat more without thinking most days.Reggie...did Marlie wean? I remember commiserating with you about the endless nursing when Finn and Marlie were about 2.5 yo. Finn weaned right before 3 yo (yeah!). I can't believe they will both be 4 this summer. Ilanit Ms Ilanit TofB.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology)Advanced Diploma Healing with WholefoodsPhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate)Little Tree Oriental Healing ArtsHelping you grow to new heights of wellbeingwith Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutritionilanit@...www.littletree.com.au How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Posted April 23, 2006 I Love reading the very old Ohsawa books. In Guidebook for Living, the philosophy of of oriental medicine volume iii, he says: He who says, " I cannot practice Macrobiotics does not understand it fully. But suppose that we practice macrobiotics to the letter, repeating everything that we have heard like a phonograph. We are still not Macrobiotic. We must reach the point where we can eat anything without fear of losing our health and happiness. We must control our lives by ourselves. If we adhere to a diet tha has been devised by someone else, our lives are not our own. We must not be rigid. " Thank you, Dave, for this. I need to get some of Ohsawa's books. I like to hear that we must ultimately listen to our own bodies rather than others, and use what we read as a guideline. Darlene Quote
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Posted April 24, 2006 > > > > > > > > I Love reading the very old Ohsawa books. In Guidebook for Living, > > the philosophy of of oriental medicine volume iii, he says: > > > > He who says, " I cannot practice Macrobiotics does not understand it fully. > > But suppose that we practice macrobiotics to the letter, repeating > > everything that we have heard like a phonograph. We are still not > > Macrobiotic. We must reach the point where we can eat anything without fear > > of losing our health and happiness. We must control our lives by ourselves. > > If we adhere to a diet tha has been devised by someone else, our lives are > > not our own. We must not be rigid. " > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Posted April 24, 2006 This looks like a GREAT tool. Thanks for posting for everyone. Very interested in using this myself. > > > After nursing 3 children, um, quite a long time, my eating is out of > > control. Although at one point it was warranted, now, it's habit. > > 80% is > > hard for me. Heck, 100% is hard for me. I ate so much while nursing > > that > > it's a habit. Now that my child bearing/nursing days are over, I have to > > take a new approach. I feel better when I eat to 80%, but out of > > habit, I > > eat more without thinking most days. > > > > Reggie...did Marlie wean? I remember commiserating with you about the > > endless nursing when Finn and Marlie were about 2.5 yo. Finn weaned > > right > > before 3 yo (yeah!). I can't believe they will both be 4 this summer. > > > > > > > > Ilanit > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > Little Tree Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia (Little Tree). ® > registered trademark, © copyright 2003. All rights reserved. This email > message and attachments may contain information that is confidential to > Little Tree. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, > distribute, forward or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > please notify the sender by return email and erase all copies of the > message and attachments. The sender of this email message does not allow > the recipient to forward this email message or attachments in whole or > in part by means of the internet. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the > official business of Little Ttree are neither given nor endorsed by it. > This email message and any attachments are subject to copyright. > > > > Ms Ilanit Tof > B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) > Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods > PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) > > Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts > Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing > with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition > > ilanit@... > www.littletree.com.au > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 I have also struggled to find a label - then realised I don't want one. when I am out and about i usually order vegetarian or vegan but i dont call myself that even though 99% of my deit is vegan and i identify with those ideals on many levels. but I do eat fish so I am a pescetairan i guess or as someone put it the other day -a terrestrial vegetarian!! In general I don't like labels, but when it comes to the way I eat I wish I could find a label that fits me just to make it easy. What the heck am I? Human? I guess I'm being very ambitious, since I've only been eating this way for about 3 months now. I've gotten into a better rhythm when making food, and I've got enough mb cookbooks to open a small store, so I've got a lot of resources. you are doing much much better than you give yourself credit for. you can't do it wrong - thee is no wrong - just exploration and if people say they couldnt stick with it then something in the equation was amiss because there is no macro diet or even mb foods - there is only balance and even imbalance is part of balance!! so just enjoy where you are and see where you have come from and have a glimmer of where you want to go but don't set it in stone... It would be nice to have more friends locally who eat MB regularly, and I'm sure that will come over time. you have us. I think what I'm working on more right now is not feeling guilty when I have that candy or not eating within the guidelines of a standard mb diet. in my book the only thing that is not mb is guilt. but I am sure we can cook that some way to yangize it! anyone have an umeboshi plum handy? Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 It seems to me that Ohsawa was trying to give people a way to have more freedom. By becoming biologically healthy, we could then become economically and spiritually and socially healthy too because our ability to think clearly and to be on a highly intuitive level would allow for the best choices at the turning points of life and in between. > > Hmmm... so no wonder some people get sicker after getting better??? One or > two consultations... that just seems wrong to me. > > I agree with the potential costs. It can get expensive over time. However, > if you think about it, to get the diet tweaked occasionally would probably > be worth the cost than it would be to fix a health issue that worsened > later. When it comes to diet, learning how to tweak it ourselves is ideal. > I've bought a number of books and have been trying to get my head wrapped > around all this information. I'm not critically ill so I'm not super > paranoid about what I'm eating, but getting used to the terms and learning > to listen to my body's reactions to food is not easy. I'm not at the point > where I feel the need to see a counselor. It's definately not easy and it takes time. The thing about a physical body is that each is very unique in terms of what it requiries to be most effective. I just keep it simple: grains, beans, veggies and fruit and occassionally some stocks. I'm uncomfortable with the concept of cookbooks within macrobiotics because each person's needs are so different and especially since the seventies when so very many of them begins with pressure cooked brown rice. > My only criticism about the school here in Austin is that I took a four > night class and whenever anyone asked a question about certain foods or > something that wasn't covered in the syllabus, we were told, " but you can > learn about that in XXXX class. " Granted, several students were in the > culinary program and were going to take the XXXX class anyway, but it was > aggravating to hear that answer time and again. It was partly a relief after > buying all those books that I found the answers I wanted in a book and > didn't have to spend *more* money and time taking a class. The cooking > classes are valuable, but I don't have the patience to take another class > just to learn the answer about the effects a certain food has on me... > > Anyway, seems like counselors who choose not to encourage followups could > possibly do a disservice to the MB community. My own mom freaked out after > finding out I chose to eat this way because she knows of several people who > were MB and got sick after a few years. I'm still trying to convince her > that I'll be fine and will learn as much as I can to *not* let that happen > to me. > > Darlene > It's good to learn from others, imo, but if we continue to do so we end up depending on others for our health and well being, and that would be just another form of slavery. Don't be a parrot or a phonograph or just follow words in book, even his own words, Ohsawa said. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 It seems to me that Ohsawa was trying to give people a way to have more freedom. By becoming biologically healthy, we could then become economically and spiritually and socially healthy too because our ability to think clearly and to be on a highly intuitive level would allow for the best choices at the turning points of life and in between. I think, though, that there are many people who depend on instructions and what others tell them and, well, to say that they can't think for themselves is harsh, but I think that some people don't learn to become intuitive to their bodies' needs and they need more direction. To assume that all people will develop the ability to think clearly and intuitively, well it may happen sooner than later for some, and there may be people who really need the help. Those are the ones who will really need a counselor to encourage follow-up visits. I'm uncomfortable with the concept of cookbooks within macrobiotics because each person's needs are so different and especially since the seventies when so very many of them begins with pressure cooked brown rice. True, but beginners who have no prior knowledge to cooking macrobiotically need a starting point. There are a few recent cookbooks too which offer much more of a variety. Pickles, nishime, even learning how to pot-boil a pot of rice, I'd never be able to learn that without cookbooks and/or classes. It's good to learn from others, imo, but if we continue to do so we end up depending on others for our health and well being, and that would be just another form of slavery. Don't be a parrot or a phonograph or just follow words in book, even his own words, Ohsawa said. I totally agree, and as I learn more about mb I will depend less and less on the reference materials. I'm enjoying trying new recipes and cooking methods. I've never been a parrot for anyone's theories, which may be another reason why I've been so drawn to mb. Thanks for the discussion, and everyone else. Darlene Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 I have also struggled to find a label - then realised I don't want one.when I am out and about i usually order vegetarian or vegan but i dont call myself that even though 99% of my deit is vegan and i identify with those ideals on many levels. but I do eat fish so I am a pescetairan i guess or as someone put it the other day -a terrestrial vegetarian!! So I googled " pescetarian " and found a site that compares all the types of " vegetarians " . I've now decided I don't want a label either. Geez, I can see people arguing over who is more vegetarian than who or people being told they are not really vegetarian. I've had enough roles in my life arguing about how " xxxx " I was in comparison to another person. I don't need that. I guess I should just continue to say what I have been saying ... I don't eat meat or dairy anymore. Ilanit - thank you very much for your compliments. I have a history of being too hard on myself. Bad habit to break. I appreciate the support. How has Briscoe's counselor training program been? Do you currently counsel people? I see you have degrees in nutrition. I've looked over his website and found his chat this week very interesting. I've got so many interests and not as much time or money, and I've been trying to figure out what to study and in what order. At some point I'm going to take a homeopathy correspondence program, and have been also looking and considering the counselor training program at MacroAmerica. The Oriental Medicine school here is much too pricey and I don't really want to learn acupuncture, though I find other aspects of Oriental Medicine very interesting. The school here does not offer a program without the acupuncture. I also am interested in kinesiology and NAET. I don't want to become a MB chef so I've not really an interest in the culinary program that is available locally, though I will continue to take classes there to learn more cooking techniques and theory. I'm a Reiki Master and am learning various intuitive practices. My path obviously has to do with health, I just kind of need to narrow it down a bit, I think. My current occupation? My business is liquidating technical assets and office furniture for companies. I'm definitely not in the field I want to be in... Wishing everyone good health, Darlene Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 -Maybe there's a book you can get her to show her how it's a good and healthy way of life? Let us know........ Reg -- In VeganMacrobiotics , " Darlene MacAuley " wrote: > > Hmmm... so no wonder some people get sicker after getting better??? One or > two consultations... that just seems wrong to me. > > I agree with the potential costs. It can get expensive over time. However, > if you think about it, to get the diet tweaked occasionally would probably > be worth the cost than it would be to fix a health issue that worsened > later. > > I've bought a number of books and have been trying to get my head wrapped > around all this information. I'm not critically ill so I'm not super > paranoid about what I'm eating, but getting used to the terms and learning > to listen to my body's reactions to food is not easy. I'm not at the point > where I feel the need to see a counselor. > > My only criticism about the school here in Austin is that I took a four > night class and whenever anyone asked a question about certain foods or > something that wasn't covered in the syllabus, we were told, " but you can > learn about that in XXXX class. " Granted, several students were in the > culinary program and were going to take the XXXX class anyway, but it was > aggravating to hear that answer time and again. It was partly a relief after > buying all those books that I found the answers I wanted in a book and > didn't have to spend *more* money and time taking a class. The cooking > classes are valuable, but I don't have the patience to take another class > just to learn the answer about the effects a certain food has on me... > > Anyway, seems like counselors who choose not to encourage followups could > possibly do a disservice to the MB community. My own mom freaked out after > finding out I chose to eat this way because she knows of several people who > were MB and got sick after a few years. I'm still trying to convince her > that I'll be fine and will learn as much as I can to *not* let that happen > to me. > > Darlene > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 Hey Darlene, what is macrobiotic? I mean you're eating and following guidelines to the best of your ability. Give yourself some room to grow and choose how you want to do it. If you want to get more into it and eat according to more strict guidelines then you will, if not, so be it and love yourself however. I have met quite a few counselors who when they travel bring little burners and bags of rice and heat up their own stuff in hotels. It's up to you how far you want to go. As far as being vegan and eating fish nope. If you are against titles simply say you are finding what is the best diet for you and you avoid most animal products if you need to clarify. Veganism is a term that the definition can't be altered for our own individual needs. It means a person who avoids eating, wearing and using animal products to sum it up. I have a shirt with the exact thingy but I'm feeling awful and don't want to get up to get it and type it out. I believe a really important thing with mb is to not feel guilty. Guilt can eat you up and really mess up your system more than a 'candy bar' once in a blue. If you're going to eat one see that it's as healthy as you can get. there are many that have no sugar and not animal products and stuff........ Reg > > Klara - > > Thanks for the insightful wisdom. You're right, finding support is > important. I know a lot of vegetarians, a couple of whom were formerly mb. > They are not so much anymore because life gets in the way and they couldn't > keep it up. > > I'm kind of on the fence too about how deep I can go into MB on my own, > mostly because there are so many guidelines. And some people feel that it > needs to be followed more stringently, while I read from several teachers > that these guidelines are just that, not rules that are carved in stone. > > So I struggle with accepting within myself what is good enough. My lifestyle > is such, with working outside the home, raising a family who is not MB and > very active, and trying to squeeze in other personal interests, I just don't > have the time and money to make the classes I'd like to take, nor do I have > the time to eat 100% MB 100% of the time. Can one say he is vegan if he > occasionally has fish? Well, I gave up dairy and meat and poultry and eat > mostly grains/beans/veggies, and I have fish about once a week. Once in a > while I have sugar... In general I don't like labels, but when it comes to > the way I eat I wish I could find a label that fits me just to make it easy. > What the heck am I? > > I guess I'm being very ambitious, since I've only been eating this way for > about 3 months now. I've gotten into a better rhythm when making food, and > I've got enough mb cookbooks to open a small store, so I've got a lot of > resources. It would be nice to have more friends locally who eat MB > regularly, and I'm sure that will come over time. I think what I'm working > on more right now is not feeling guilty when I have that candy or not eating > within the guidelines of a standard mb diet. > > Thanks for listening to me vent. Got to go and get on with life now! Have a > great day everyone. > > Darlene > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 Ilanit we are too much the same it's funny. Now if I only had your brains................ R > > > > I have also struggled to find a label - then realised I don't want one. > > when I am out and about i usually order vegetarian or vegan but i dont > call myself that even though 99% of my deit is vegan and i identify with > those ideals on many levels. > > but I do eat fish so I am a pescetairan i guess or as someone put it the > other day -a terrestrial vegetarian!! > > > In general I don't like labels, but when it comes to the way I eat I > > wish I could find a label that fits me just to make it easy. What the > > heck am I? > > > Human? > > > > > I guess I'm being very ambitious, since I've only been eating this way > > for about 3 months now. I've gotten into a better rhythm when making > > food, and I've got enough mb cookbooks to open a small store, so I've > > got a lot of resources. > > > you are doing much much better than you give yourself credit for. > > you can't do it wrong - thee is no wrong - just exploration > > and if people say they couldnt stick with it then something in the > equation was amiss because there is no macro diet or even mb foods - > there is only balance and even imbalance is part of balance!! > > so just enjoy where you are and see where you have come from and have a > glimmer of where you want to go but don't set it in stone... > > > It would be nice to have more friends locally who eat MB regularly, > > and I'm sure that will come over time. > > > you have us. > > > I think what I'm working on more right now is not feeling guilty when > > I have that candy or not eating within the guidelines of a standard mb > > diet. > > > in my book the only thing that is not mb is guilt. > > but I am sure we can cook that some way to yangize it! anyone have an > umeboshi plum handy? > > Ilanit > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Little Tree Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia (Little Tree). ® > registered trademark, © copyright 2003. All rights reserved. This email > message and attachments may contain information that is confidential to > Little Tree. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, > distribute, forward or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > please notify the sender by return email and erase all copies of the > message and attachments. The sender of this email message does not allow > the recipient to forward this email message or attachments in whole or > in part by means of the internet. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the > official business of Little Ttree are neither given nor endorsed by it. > This email message and any attachments are subject to copyright. > > > > Ms Ilanit Tof > B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) > Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods > PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) > > Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts > Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing > with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition > > ilanit@... > www.littletree.com.au > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Posted April 26, 2006 did I miss something? what's the big hoorah with the pressure cooing thing? sorry I am aware there is a letter missing the word after pressure but that letter isn't woring on my typing board, lol difficult to find different words sometimes. forgive me till I get a new board. Peace, R > > > > It seems to me that Ohsawa was trying to give people a way to have > > more freedom. By becoming biologically healthy, we could then become > > economically and spiritually and socially healthy too because our > > ability to think clearly and to be on a highly intuitive level would > > allow for the best choices at the turning points of life and in > > between. > > > > I think, though, that there are many people who depend on instructions and > what others tell them and, well, to say that they can't think for themselves > is harsh, but I think that some people don't learn to become intuitive to > their bodies' needs and they need more direction. To assume that all people > will develop the ability to think clearly and intuitively, well it may > happen sooner than later for some, and there may be people who really need > the help. Those are the ones who will really need a counselor to encourage > follow-up visits. > > > > I'm uncomfortable with the concept of cookbooks within macrobiotics > > because each person's needs are so different and especially since the > > seventies when so very many of them begins with pressure cooked > > brown rice. > > > > True, but beginners who have no prior knowledge to cooking macrobiotically > need a starting point. There are a few recent cookbooks too which offer much > more of a variety. Pickles, nishime, even learning how to pot-boil a pot of > rice, I'd never be able to learn that without cookbooks and/or classes. > > > It's good to learn from others, imo, but if we continue to do so we > > end up depending on others for our health and well being, and that > > would be just another form of slavery. Don't be a parrot or a > > phonograph or just follow words in book, even his own words, Ohsawa > > said. > > > > > I totally agree, and as I learn more about mb I will depend less and less on > the reference materials. I'm enjoying trying new recipes and cooking > methods. > > I've never been a parrot for anyone's theories, which may be another reason > why I've been so drawn to mb. > > Thanks for the discussion, and everyone else. > > Darlene > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 My dad who has an aerodynamic hari style (ie bald on top) always says I got his hair and my mother's brains cause he claims he still has his! ;-) purpleveg wrote: Ilanit we are too much the same it's funny. Now if I only had your brains................ R Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Posted April 27, 2006 lol my dad has a comb over too. > > > Ilanit we are too much the same it's funny. Now if I only had your > > brains................ > > R > > > Ilanit > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Little Tree Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia (Little Tree). ® > registered trademark, © copyright 2003. All rights reserved. This email > message and attachments may contain information that is confidential to > Little Tree. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, > distribute, forward or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > please notify the sender by return email and erase all copies of the > message and attachments. The sender of this email message does not allow > the recipient to forward this email message or attachments in whole or > in part by means of the internet. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message and attachments that do not relate to the > official business of Little Ttree are neither given nor endorsed by it. > This email message and any attachments are subject to copyright. > > > > Ms Ilanit Tof > B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) > Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods > PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) > > Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts > Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing > with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition > > ilanit@... > www.littletree.com.au > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> <http://www.littletree.com.au> > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Quote
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