Guest guest Posted October 28, 2000 Report Share Posted October 28, 2000 The Germall Plus is added to the emulsion as it is cooling down. Maurice On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:15:47 -0700, Marilyn & Arnold wrote: >The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool down stage of processing. > >My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled down to 122 degrees? > >I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be preferable? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 In a message dated 10/28/00 8:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, marilyna@... writes: > The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says > it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the > formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool > down stage of processing. > > My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I > shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if > you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled > down to 122 degrees? > > I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be > preferable? > > Marilyn, You must make your emulsion, let it cool down to less than 120-about 110 or 115 degrees--and then add your preservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 In a message dated 10/28/00 8:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, marilyna@... writes: > My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I > shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if > you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled > down to 122 degrees? > > Another thought: According to the tech person at Sutton Labs, heat can compromise the efficacy of the preservatives. So, you should never add above that temp or heat above that temp (some people reheat lotion to bottle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 Marilyn, Like most all preservatives they are added to the product during the cooling stage of your production. Many chemical reactions can happen at accelerated rates at elevated temperatures. This can include the degradation of a particular chemical. Many of the preservatives used in personal care products work by releasing methylene oxide or formaldehyde. This reaction can accelerate dramatically at elevated temperatures. Note that in one post on this topic there was a comment about the odor. This is what you were smelling; the decomposition of the molecule. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Germall Plus The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool down stage of processing. My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled down to 122 degrees? I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be preferable? Thanks so much, Marilyn in Dayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 > My Germall Plus is in powdered form. Do I need to dissolve it in water > before adding it? You can add it as is. I think 's had absorbed moisture and caked and that is why told her to add a little water. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. achil@... http://houseofscents.safeshopper.com/ www.yourhealthandbody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 >Actually, you should always add your preservative spike as a solution. It >will mix into your product more uniformly than adding it as the powder. As >the powder it must dissolve first and then be distributed throughout your >batch. This will cause 'hot' spots and voids. Actually, I've never had any problem adding Germall Plus as a powder. If you add water to the Germall Plus, depending on the amount of water added, you may disolve the olidinyl Urea and will get an aqueous dispersion of Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate (IPBC). The solubility of IPBC is 0.016 grams per 100 grams of water. Maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 My Germall Plus is in powdered form. Do I need to dissolve it in water before adding it? Thanks, Marilyn Germall Plus > > The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says > it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the > formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool > down stage of processing. > > My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I > shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if > you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled down > to 122 degrees? > > I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be > preferable? > > Thanks so much, > Marilyn in Dayton > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 Sherri, I hate to disagree with you, but I must... I have availed myself of samples of some products recently, and I don't think any of the manufacturers are under the illusion that I will automaticallly become some great huge customer of theirs... I try the products from the manufacturers in the hopes that they will fulfill my needs, and then plan to turn around and purchase them from smaller suppliers if they do. I simply can't use a 20 kg pail of Germall Plus, or 10 kilos of lipopearls, but I could use 8 oz or a pound, which I'll buy from the smaller supplier. However, I see no need to spend $10 plus shipping and tax to get a 1 or 2 oz bottle of a product from said small supplier if I don't know it will meet my needs. Provided that SOMEONE buys the big pails from the manufacturers, does it matter if it's me or you that buys them? I agree that some people will abuse this, which is why I don't go blabbing it about on the boards like people did with the FO samples. But the people coming to lists like this one are probably not quite in that same group. The ones that I know certainly aren't!! Jules > >you a free > >sample of the Germall Plus. > > , if I may say so, you're doing a disservice to both the small buyers > on this list and the manufacturers by repeatedly recommending they get free > samples from the manufacturers when what the people are looking for is a > supplier to purchase smaller quantities from on an ongoing basis. > > I could be wrong, but I would imagine most of the people inquiring about > where to find some of these ingredients are not looking to buy 20kg pails, > 25kg bags or drum quantities of these ingredients. What they are looking > for is a solid supplier that they can purchase the smaller amounts they > need of these items, (and many of the smaller suppliers also sell the > larger quantities BTW) who will have the item in stock and who they can buy > more from next time they need it. > > Unfortunately there are unethical and unscrupulous suppliers out there (why > would this industry be any different than others), but don't paint all the > small suppliers as lying idiots because of a few bad apples. There are far > more honest, hardworking, ethical, very good service oriented small > suppliers out there than the others. > > If someone is wanting to evaluate a new (to them) ingredient then obtaining > a sample and technical data etc. from the manufacturer is a good idea. But > if everybody starts collecting free samples from them just for the sake of > getting something free, I fear it will backfire on those who can meet the > order requirements like it did with the fragrance manufacturers awhile > back. People on the lists were telling all the small soapers to get free > samples from the fragrance manufacturers, soapers who would never be able > to handle the 25lb minimums...and as a result the manufacturers got a > little PO'd (and you can't blame them really) and started limiting the > amount of samples for everyone...even those who do buy 25lb+. > > There's lots of good suppliers out there people, several of whom are on > this list (and not for the purpose of plugging their businesses either, but > because like you they are always looking for good information and correct > answers and continuing their learning). If you're on this list, then you're > obviously someone who is doing the research, looking for the correct > answers, always learning and growing and trying to make the best products > possible, and not going to be taken in by a lot of foolish claims anyway. > > Warmly, > Sherri > > http://oshun.ca mailto:sherri@o... > Oshun - Your wholesale source for quality soap & cosmetic > ingredients, packaging, bulk toiletries and handcrafted soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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