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The Germall Plus is added to the emulsion as it is cooling

down.

Maurice

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:15:47 -0700, Marilyn & Arnold

wrote:

>The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says it

should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the

formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool down

stage of processing.

>

>My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I shouldn't

heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if you add it to

the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled down to 122 degrees?

>

>I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be preferable?

>

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In a message dated 10/28/00 8:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,

marilyna@... writes:

> The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says

> it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the

> formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool

> down stage of processing.

>

> My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I

> shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if

> you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled

> down to 122 degrees?

>

> I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be

> preferable?

>

>

Marilyn, You must make your emulsion, let it cool down to less than 120-about

110 or 115 degrees--and then add your preservative.

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In a message dated 10/28/00 8:01:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,

marilyna@... writes:

> My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I

> shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if

> you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled

> down to 122 degrees?

>

>

Another thought: According to the tech person at Sutton Labs, heat can

compromise the efficacy of the preservatives. So, you should never add above

that temp or heat above that temp (some people reheat lotion to bottle)

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Marilyn,

Like most all preservatives they are added to the product during the cooling

stage of your production. Many chemical reactions can happen at accelerated

rates at elevated temperatures. This can include the degradation of a

particular chemical. Many of the preservatives used in personal care

products work by releasing methylene oxide or formaldehyde. This reaction

can accelerate dramatically at elevated temperatures. Note that in one post

on this topic there was a comment about the odor. This is what you were

smelling; the decomposition of the molecule.

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products

www.kylabs.com

Germall Plus

The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale says

it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the

formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool

down stage of processing.

My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I

shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if

you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled down

to 122 degrees?

I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be

preferable?

Thanks so much,

Marilyn in Dayton

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> My Germall Plus is in powdered form. Do I need to dissolve it in water

> before adding it?

You can add it as is. I think 's had absorbed moisture and caked and

that is why told her to add a little water.

Pat.

Peace, Joy, Serenity

House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc.

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http://houseofscents.safeshopper.com/

www.yourhealthandbody.com

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>Actually, you should always add your preservative spike as a solution. It

>will mix into your product more uniformly than adding it as the powder. As

>the powder it must dissolve first and then be distributed throughout your

>batch. This will cause 'hot' spots and voids.

Actually, I've never had any problem adding Germall Plus as

a powder. If you add water to the Germall Plus, depending

on the amount of water added, you may disolve the

olidinyl Urea and will get an aqueous dispersion of

Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate (IPBC). The solubility of IPBC

is 0.016 grams per 100 grams of water.

Maurice

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My Germall Plus is in powdered form. Do I need to dissolve it in water

before adding it?

Thanks,

Marilyn

Germall Plus

>

> The info sheet I received with my powdered Germall Plus from LaNaturale

says

> it should be added to the water phase or to the emulsified portion of the

> formulation at a temperature of 50 C (122 deg F) or below, during the cool

> down stage of processing.

>

> My question is, does this mean that if I add it to the water phase I

> shouldn't heat the mixture over 122 degrees? Or does it just mean that if

> you add it to the emulsified portion you should wait until it's cooled

down

> to 122 degrees?

>

> I'd like to add it to the water phase, but would the other way be

> preferable?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Marilyn in Dayton

>

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Sherri, I hate to disagree with you, but I must...

I have availed myself of samples of some products recently, and I

don't think any of the manufacturers are under the illusion that I

will automaticallly become some great huge customer of theirs...

I try the products from the manufacturers in the hopes that they will

fulfill my needs, and then plan to turn around and purchase them from

smaller suppliers if they do. I simply can't use a 20 kg pail of

Germall Plus, or 10 kilos of lipopearls, but I could use 8 oz or a

pound, which I'll buy from the smaller supplier.

However, I see no need to spend $10 plus shipping and tax to get a 1

or 2 oz bottle of a product from said small supplier if I don't know

it will meet my needs.

Provided that SOMEONE buys the big pails from the manufacturers, does

it matter if it's me or you that buys them?

I agree that some people will abuse this, which is why I don't go

blabbing it about on the boards like people did with the FO samples.

But the people coming to lists like this one are probably not quite

in that same group. The ones that I know certainly aren't!!

Jules

> >you a free

> >sample of the Germall Plus.

>

> , if I may say so, you're doing a disservice to both the small

buyers

> on this list and the manufacturers by repeatedly recommending they

get free

> samples from the manufacturers when what the people are looking for

is a

> supplier to purchase smaller quantities from on an ongoing basis.

>

> I could be wrong, but I would imagine most of the people inquiring

about

> where to find some of these ingredients are not looking to buy 20kg

pails,

> 25kg bags or drum quantities of these ingredients. What they are

looking

> for is a solid supplier that they can purchase the smaller amounts

they

> need of these items, (and many of the smaller suppliers also sell

the

> larger quantities BTW) who will have the item in stock and who they

can buy

> more from next time they need it.

>

> Unfortunately there are unethical and unscrupulous suppliers out

there (why

> would this industry be any different than others), but don't paint

all the

> small suppliers as lying idiots because of a few bad apples. There

are far

> more honest, hardworking, ethical, very good service oriented small

> suppliers out there than the others.

>

> If someone is wanting to evaluate a new (to them) ingredient then

obtaining

> a sample and technical data etc. from the manufacturer is a good

idea. But

> if everybody starts collecting free samples from them just for the

sake of

> getting something free, I fear it will backfire on those who can

meet the

> order requirements like it did with the fragrance manufacturers

awhile

> back. People on the lists were telling all the small soapers to get

free

> samples from the fragrance manufacturers, soapers who would never

be able

> to handle the 25lb minimums...and as a result the manufacturers got

a

> little PO'd (and you can't blame them really) and started limiting

the

> amount of samples for everyone...even those who do buy 25lb+.

>

> There's lots of good suppliers out there people, several of whom

are on

> this list (and not for the purpose of plugging their businesses

either, but

> because like you they are always looking for good information and

correct

> answers and continuing their learning). If you're on this list,

then you're

> obviously someone who is doing the research, looking for the correct

> answers, always learning and growing and trying to make the best

products

> possible, and not going to be taken in by a lot of foolish claims

anyway.

>

> Warmly,

> Sherri

>

> http://oshun.ca mailto:sherri@o...

> Oshun - Your wholesale source for quality soap & cosmetic

> ingredients, packaging, bulk toiletries and handcrafted soap.

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