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My guess is that not a single thing is going on at Area 51. They're just happy to have everyone belive so, so that they can do the real black projects research in peace somewhere elese. They may even make a little light show every now and then just to make sure to keep people interested, allthewhile secretly funding various TV-series to keep people's imaginations going.

Now, how's that for a conspiracy theory? ;-)

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LMAO! :-D

(Definitely an Aspie!)

Inger

> Tom wrote:

> " Scientists in Area 51 are still trying to figure out how many licks it

takes to get to the center of it, and the kicker of it is, when they

find out, they'll keep it to themselves...so the world may never know! "

>____

>

> Hi Tom,

>

> Ha ha... well now the world SHALL know, because just yesterday, my

daughter's internet pal posted a note that she had actually done the

research, herself, on this crucial topic. And...

>

>

>(drum roll please)...

>

>

> It takes exactly 3,543 licks to get the the center of a tootsie roll

pop!!

>

> **And yes... she really *did* make this count. And yes, she even has

cuts on her tongue to prove it. LOL!

>

> [Do you suppose she might be Aspie, by any chance??]

>

> --

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Inger,

That is probably closest to the truth and I have heard some people say that that is what is going on. The Air Force probably has some things going on there, but nothing really that major, but enough to keep people interested as to what is going on. IN the mean time, there is another base a distance away that is more remote and even better ringed by mountains where some say all that new projects have been moved to. Others say that there is a big base somewhere in the Australian outback where most of this research and such has been moved. I don't know that they would have to pay too many people to throw false leads out there: there are enough free range kooks that the government doesn't really need to fake any.

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Beth,

I thought you were joking but it was an interesting intellectual exercise all the same.

Back in high school some of my friends and I would do infiltration things like that just for fun. This was mostly around campus or around our neighborhoods though. We didn't do it anywhere where we could really get in trouble for doing it or actually break in any place. Unaided people are fairly easy to hide from in the dark, but the newer night vision and thermal viewers would be much harder to get around. Motion sensor are just plain aggrevating. Most of the time you can't even see them before you set them off.

Also, one of my favorite games is Shadowrun. That game often involves getting around all kinds of security. How well some of the methods from the game translate to real life I couldn't say, but since much of the technology and all of the magic does not exist in this world, I wouldn't bother using it as a training aid.

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Wow ,

I am impressed, I was sort of semi joking, but your really have a

game plan going here, I didn't say it would be easy, but the way we

think if any group was going to pull something like this off it would

be us. Thanks for the confirmantion of my faith in the inteligence

of the aspy community.

Thanks

Beth

> Beth,

>

> I think the only way to really get in there would be to tunnel and

that

> would mean a tunnel many miles long. The above ground security is

really tight

> and you can't begin to get close without being seen. That is

because people try

> fairly often to they know where the weak points are and have

plugged them up.

>

> The other option would be a drone of some kind with a good camera

and

> autopilot. You would have to be so far away that it would go out of

control range

> fairly quickly so it would have to be able to fly itself. Then it

would

> probably get shot down and would certianly be chased off the base.

Then you would

> have to either snatch it up and run before the security people got

to you, or

> got close enough to make you and get the FBI and such after you. If

it had a

> reliable enough transmitter it could begin broadcasting when it got

in range,

> but that would take time as it would have to play its recording at

real time

> speed. That would give security forces more time to shoot it down

or find

> you. Also, it would be very unlikely that the drone would actually

see much

> interesting in the first place since most of the base is just open

desert and

> runways. Unless custom built by your own team, such a drone would

be easy to

> track down. In either case, it would also be fairly expensive.

>

> Mass demonstrations at various points on the perimeter might

attract enough

> of the security force to allow a small group to try to slip in.

Then again,

> the perimeter is watched by thermal cameras, ground radars and

seismic sensors.

> Security would probably also be aware that something was afoot and

they

> would likely be keeping a very close eye on those cameras. Even if

the perimeter

> was crossed, there is no telling what kind of in depth security

they have.

> Inside those mountains is is very flat, so a few cameras could

cover the whole

> area very effectively. Its being flat means few places to duck and

hide. If

> you reach the buildings, you probably would not be able to get

inside without

> being seen. No doubt they have plenty of cameras there too, in

addition to

> live people. And that is just the surface. If they really did have

anything

> like aliens and such, it would be hidden away behind a lot of

security. That

> would probably take an assault force to stand a chance of getting

through which

> would mean a lot of people getting killed. The assault force would

probably

> all get killed and certainly captured and would face all kinds of

heavy

> charges.

>

> Also bear in mind that lethal force is authorized to defend the

base. That

> could mean that if you are inside the perimeter, technically they

could use a

> sniper to kill you from a 1000 yards and they would be within their

rights.

> Granted that might cause some uproar, but if a team tried to shoot

its way in,

> don't count on much public sympathy.

>

> But basically there are some things going on, like certain

military

> research, that we don't need to know about. Sure it would be

interesting to know

> about the latest planes and such, but we don't need to know about

it. Eventually

> most of that stuff will become public knowledge anyway and I

personally don't

> see risking a long stretch in prison or a bullet being worth the

price of

> that knowledge.

>

>

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