Guest guest Posted January 1, 1970 Report Share Posted January 1, 1970 Why on earth are you giving her immune stimulants? Stuart Fitz ---------- To: <ukherbal-listegroups> Subject: Fw: CLL Date: Thu, Feb 15, 1990, 11:49 pm CLL An elderly woman has made an appt to see me next week because her 'neck is swollen'. She has had polycythaemia for some time. 6mths ago chronic lymphocytic leukaemia was diagnosed. She is currently on no medication - other than homoeopathic - and is fit. I would be grateful for any experiences with herbs/combinations/strategies for CLL and lymphadenopathy. The appt is Tuesday 9th, at 4pm to be precise, so early responses appreciated. Waters Tuesday 4pm came and went with no responses, unsurprisingly as I had the list address wrong. The pt, dob = 1930, diagnosed polychythaemia 1980, (v mild, venesection not necessary) was found to have CLL on blood tests after complaining of inc infections. My rx on 9 Nov was Granary Galium (40ml), & Arctium (10), Weleda, Urtica planta tota (20) & Calendula (30), 5ml. tds + gtt Phytolacca. The pt is currently taking a herbal Echinacea/Golden Seal/ Mahonia supplement; she has agreed to give this up in favour of my tincture. I am pondering what to put in it. My current thinking is to keep up the Echinacea (F/OG 2:5) and add Berberis for anti-bacterial action; continue with Galium and/ or Urtica as lymphatic, draining herbs, and include Astragalus 1:3 for possible beneficial action on lymphocytes. Any views on the appropriateness of Astragalus, also extraction ratio and dose? Centella is another possibility, sedative, tonic, angioprotective. And finally, what time-frame/rhythm for treatment? As a health-conscious, buyer of OTC medicine, the pt seems prepared to take medicines indefinitely. Is this wise? The 6th monthly blood tests + sx may provide some clue as to the effectiveness of tx, but I get the impression that the course of CLL is so various, it may be difficult to monitor the success of tx and therefore reasonable to base tx at least partly on protocols, if they exist. e.waters@... Click here, user! List Owner Graham White, MNIMH eGroups.com Home: /group/ukherbal-list </group/ukherbal-list> www. <> - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 1999 Report Share Posted November 19, 1999 Dear beth, Perhaps herbs to help with the underlying polychythemia might be more helpful. I have used Bartrams suggestions for this condition with some success, the patient concerned managed to avert the next venesection and bloods improved, he also felt a great deal better. Treatment nopt continued long enough as patient concerned on trial for fraud. CLL An elderly woman has made an appt to see me next week because her 'neck is swollen'. She has had polycythaemia for some time. 6mths ago chronic lymphocytic leukaemia was diagnosed. She is currently on no medication - other than homoeopathic - and is fit. I would be grateful for any experiences with herbs/combinations/strategies for CLL and lymphadenopathy. The appt is Tuesday 9th, at 4pm to be precise, so early responses appreciated. Waters Tuesday 4pm came and went with no responses, unsurprisingly as I had the list address wrong. The pt, dob = 1930, diagnosed polychythaemia 1980, (v mild, venesection not necessary) was found to have CLL on blood tests after complaining of inc infections. My rx on 9 Nov was Granary Galium (40ml), & Arctium (10), Weleda, Urtica planta tota (20) & Calendula (30), 5ml. tds + gtt Phytolacca. The pt is currently taking a herbal Echinacea/Golden Seal/ Mahonia supplement; she has agreed to give this up in favour of my tincture. I am pondering what to put in it. My current thinking is to keep up the Echinacea (F/OG 2:5) and add Berberis for anti-bacterial action; continue with Galium and/ or Urtica as lymphatic, draining herbs, and include Astragalus 1:3 for possible beneficial action on lymphocytes. Any views on the appropriateness of Astragalus, also extraction ratio and dose? Centella is another possibility, sedative, tonic, angioprotective. And finally, what time-frame/rhythm for treatment? As a health-conscious, buyer of OTC medicine, the pt seems prepared to take medicines indefinitely. Is this wise? The 6th monthly blood tests + sx may provide some clue as to the effectiveness of tx, but I get the impression that the course of CLL is so various, it may be difficult to monitor the success of tx and therefore reasonable to base tx at least partly on protocols, if they exist. e.waters@... Click here, user! List OwnerGraham White, MNIMH eGroups.com Home: /group/ukherbal-listwww. - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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