Re: $20.00 generator and this MesoSilver chart.

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What are the ingredients for a good generator for $20.00, and do you have instructions, also would you like to share? What do you think of this chart?

ProductName

Particle SurfaceArea

EfficiencyIndex

Home Brewed w/ SG-7

0.024

1.64

Silver Shield Colloidal Silver

0.027

0.19

Silver Biotics 10

0.035

3.2

ASAP 10

0.112

10.2

Sovereign Silver 10

0.217

22.3

Ultra Pure Col. Silver 35

0.225

13.6

Argentyn 23

0.355

22.6

ASAP 22

0.587

26.3

Futurebiotics Adv. Col. Silver 30

0.591

61.6

Int.Pharm.Invive 50

0.621

4.4

Electra Clear Col. Silver 10

0.662

25.1

Source Naturals Col. Silver 30

0.881

24.3

Colloidal Silver 20

1.420

12.2

Utopia Advanced. Col. Silver 20

12.20

92.4

Innovative Natural Products 500

12.39

20.5

MesoSilver® 20

104.7

5235

MesoSilver 20 ppm has the highest particle surface area of any product tested.

Date: 8/30/2009 6:12:54 PM

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Subject: Re: Help for Lyme Disease??

Amen. A good generator can be built for $20 plus two silver dollars.

Re: Help for Lyme Disease??

Mara,

There are many who take CS and while MesoSilver is a good product, it absolutely not the only colloidal silver recommended to take for Lyme Disease. Many have their own generators such as the SilverGen SG6 made by Trem or the SilverPuppy made by Ode Coyote. If one has their own generator they won't be spending a fortune buying CS or any other comparable CS product on the market.

S-Max

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Thanks, Garnet.  I will check them out.  My Meso is not clear either--it has almost a brown or dark amber color.MaraMy home made CS is clear. Actually so was the first CS I purchased from Whole Foodsbefore I bought a Silver Gen. The Mesosilver I have is not clear. It is the only CS madeby high voltage I have seen. I know Utopia Silver has a good reputation with somepeople.Home made CS can be a bit yellow under some conditions, which means it is agglomeratingor clumping. It is still usable but maybe not as effective.Part of the problem is that we don't have any research, just case histories.Again the silver list is a great place to learn more than you ever wanted to know about CS.Those folks take their CS very seriously and several of them sell generators, like my SilverGen so you can talk directly with the makers. Some on the list will email you privately ifyou ask to buy their CS.GarnetMara Miles wrote:> > > > > >> I did not find Meso silver to be any more effective when I >> compared it to my low voltage ionic silver. I compared it with many >> situations >> including flus and colds. > > Great information to know! It is a LOT less expensive to use home made CS!> >> Because it takes an ion or atom of silver per cell of pathogen I have >> a hard time believing that a teaspoon is enough for a full >> blown case of flu. Again it is all theory, and the placebo effect is >> very powerful.> > I have no idea what Meso would do to a flu, having never used it for > that, but you are probably right. I can not explain what it was doing > to the Lyme either. All I know is that I have been unable to ramp up > with it quickly because I experience die off symptoms every time I try. > So I have proceeded very slowly. Since I never had this reaction to > any of the other CS that I've used, I was not expecting any reaction. > Can't explain it. Had I been expecting to feel a reaction, I would > more easily attribute it to placebo effect. I'm just happy that many of > my Lyme symptoms have improved a great deal and I would love to know > how to make the Meso at home.> > Sounds like you have a lot of CS experience--certainly more than I. > Does the home made silver that you make look different than Meso? Have > you ever seen any CS made by the high voltage generators?> > Mara> > > 

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Here is a cut & paste of a rather long thread (hope it will go thru to the list) on this topic as well as other interesting info I thought some of you might like to have/know, which comes from the CS list. The part on particle size is further down.

If you use such a low voltage, current cannot climb out of sight.I've found that a single 9 volt battery produces superior CS to a 3 nine volter for that reason, but is a lot slower. Removing batteries during the process is a plus. There are several ways to control current. Electronic "current control" does that automatically and input voltage is only relevant to the time it takes for conductivity to match the voltage drop that sets that current draw.ie, it turns out the same no matter what input voltage is used so long as it's over a minimum that corresponds to the desired "PPM"Using the electrode spacing and whetted surface area that I do, that's around 6 volts @ 1 milliamp to get 20 uS.At that point, I've told the generator to shut itself off, but even 1.2 volts will make CS, as will a few microamps.. At around 25 - 30 uS the voltage rise at a constant current rate goes non linear with particle production as added together solubility limits are surpassed....and conductivity rise slows WAY down. What causes particle production at any given spot can well be an environmental variable beyond an operators control and making decent CS beyond normal solubility limits is iffy at best.I can see where a semi conductive deposit layer could self regulate the concentration if the max voltage is low enough. [breakover limiting]Now and then, a deposit caused feedback loop can do that with iffy water even at higher voltages. Rather than adding more ions to the water increasing conductivity, it just makes thicker and thicker deposits, self regulating into a mess if let go long enough. Apparently, not all contaminants that can affect the process are conductive before the process changes them, hence won't register on a meter when checking water quality.A low meter reading at start only means the water is "probably" pure...and anything that can happen, will happen.The one thing that doesn't change is the apparatus [if set up in a repeatable manner], so if any problems crop up, look at water and other contamination possibilities even to include a fingerprint after eating some odd thing yesterday.It doesn't take much to start a feedback loop reaction chain.Sometimes, "what" is in the water counts more than "how much" ....and there's no way to tell "what" without megabucks worth of lab equipment. [Doesn't matter anyhow. If it ain't "right", toss it and do something else till it is. ] My rule of thumb: If it looks good, it is good. [And what looks good is mere opinion ] Is pale yellow bad? Probably not. Deep dark yellow? mmmmm....maybe. If that's what you have and you need something, use it. I think we can all agree that black, green, purple, red or brown "mud", doesn't look good. LOL But even then, could be better than nothing when you have a bad case of food poisoning.I'd use boiled dirty stagnant pond water, a 60% silver coin with jumper cables and a car battery made in a hubcap over nothing, in that case..The lower voltage favors the silver over all the other metals...that's how ultra pure refining is done. [boiled, to kill muticellular parasites that CS could make quite healthy.]Err on the side of caution.Risks are relative to threat. You can get away with a lot, short term. Not so great, beats not at all. 'Druther use a sniper rifle, but a hand grenade will work to put venison on the table in hard times. Dead bugs is dead bugs, no matter what killed em that didn't kill you.You can always do better, later, when now is what counts...then ....have the luxury of arguing about what *better* is. [wink]Bottom line:IMOYou have figured out how to make what you have, work pretty darned good." Conga rats " and have at it, Smarty Pants.... [That's a complement]How's that go?? Many ways to skin a cat....and the cat doesn't like any of them.OdeAt 05:13 PM 6/17/2008 -0400, you wrote:>Dear Ode:>>I have found what you say to be true.>>With my generator design, that is with the 3 volt, ultra low voltage and low>current, the positive electrode wire becomes slightly black. One slight>disadvantage of using such low voltage is that poor quality distilled water>will turn the positive electrode very black and stop the process and the>generator will not make colloidal silver. Probably the high voltage of>standard generators breaks down this layer. On the other hand it might be a>good thing because why make colloidal silver with poor quality water. The>other interesting thing that happens using low voltage and low current is>that the solution saturates with ions at 13.5 PPM and after that the excess>ions come out of the solution and become metallic silver crystals adhering>to the negative electrode. I tell my customers that when they see some>silver fuzz one the negative electrode, they are done. After a few days you>can see a beautiful upside down Christmas tree hanging from the negative>electrode. The typical reading on the Hanna PWT will be 5uS after 1 day,>15uS after 2 days, 17uS, 18uS, 20us, and so on. There seems to be a>limiting phenomenon where the ion content of the solution remains constant>while day by day the particle content increases slightly. The size of the>particles is 2 to 3 nanometers. It is interesting that the Hanna PWT>displays a 1 to 1 relationship with the PPM silver concentration.>>I would be very interested to have you run some test on the generator to see>what you think. If you would send me your address I will send you a>generator to play with.>>Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com>>-----Original Message----->From: Ode Coyote >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24 AM>To: silver-list@...>>>## but>they're not metallic particles until they .....pick up an electron.>But free electrons don't exist in water.>It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as>a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into>electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting>like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up>on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic.> A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal>nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters.>>If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water,>if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles>streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other.> The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the>glass at the bottom.> At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one>side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other.>> Why? I dunno. Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both>with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface?>>If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form.>Why?>Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode.>>Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS.>>Ode>> >EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver...>but> >they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the> >particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely> >being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually> >falling out.> >so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works>best?> >again & again, ad nauseum.> >> > > Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme> > > >> > > > Ellen:> > > > I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even named it.> > > > Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even put> > > > a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that> > > > still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it> > > brain fog.> > > >> > > > Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it (the lyme).> > > > I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought two 16> > > > ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small tablespoon> > > > full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles> > > > with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle> > > > all at once.> > > > At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking it at> > > > the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it killed me> > > > it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this> > > > regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of> > > > well being.> > > >> > > > The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage> > > > wasn't over.> > > >> > > > Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took blood for> > > > testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two bands, after> > > > the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back negative.> > > > Dave> > > >