Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Inger: There has been a rebuke from many NT's that the people "suspected" of being "on the autistic spectrum" are not there just because someone says that they were, as (according to these NT's) there was no way to make an official diagnosis of the "disorder" at that time, and therefore, no "proof" at all that, for example, Albert Einstein was on the spectrum, in any way. Is there a way to diagnose people with any other issues or problems after they are deceased, not having such a problem or issue brought to light while they were alive? Could anyone today, for example, diagnose a person with diabetes who had no hint of having diabetes while he or she was alive? Because of people on the spectrum, is self-diagnosis becoming a new way of life on this planet in all areas, where people will begin to shun any "official" diagnosis to state emphatically that their own way of seeing a situation or issue is all that they need, and any "expert" can "go to hell"? avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0443-3, 22/10/2004Tested on: 24/10/2004 5:31:40 AMavast! is copyright © 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 : > There has been a rebuke from many NT's that the people "suspected" of being "on the autistic spectrum" are not there just because someone says that they were, as (according to these NT's) there was no way to make an official diagnosis of the "disorder" at that time, and therefore, no "proof" at all that, for example, Albert Einstein was on the spectrum, in any way. Is there a way to diagnose people with any other issues or problems after they are deceased, not having such a problem or issue brought to light while they were alive? Naturally no one can know for sure. But when there is enough biographical material about a person that clearly shows their personality traits, I'd say it is still possible to make an educated guess. > Could anyone today, for example, diagnose a person with diabetes who had no hint of having diabetes while he or she was alive? Naturally not. But diabetes is not exactly comparable to personality traits or mental conditions. > Because of people on the spectrum, is self-diagnosis becoming a new way of life on this planet in all areas, where people will begin to shun any "official" diagnosis to state emphatically that their own way of seeing a situation or issue is all that they need, and any "expert" can "go to hell"? Don't really understand what you want to say with this. There was recently a fascinating program on BBC - unfortunately I can't recall the name of it - about how the Internet has been a great equalizer when it comes to public accessibility to information that was previously reserved for professionals only, for example in the areas of medicine, finance and law. In the area of medicine it showed that progress is nowadays made so quickly in so many areas that it is often virtually impossible for the average GP to keep up to date on all the latest findings. One doc was interviewed who said that often his patients knew a lot more about their particular disease than he did and that people today are a lot more interested in educating themselves and taking personal responsibility for their recovery than ever before. He was quite happy about this progress - though I suspect many are not - but he was of the openminded type that welcomed the info that his patients were able to supply him with, as long as they still let him take the tests to see if their suspicions were right and to prescribe and supervise any new treatment they might want to try. Back to the question of AS, I belive there are many very good professional experts who do know a lot and have the proper tools to make good evaluations. But, unfortunately, there are also many general psychiatrists and psychologists that are NOT experts on ASD, who are abysmally ignorant and have the most stunning misconceptions about such conditions. I trust the truly educated experts, but not the average pshych. I also think that many of us Aspies who have made AS our special interests, could rightly call ourselves 'layman experts' (if there is such a term) since we often have a better understanting of AS than many professionals. This does not mean that I think we know *everything* or that any expert should "go to hell". Quite the opposite. I would like to see more of a cooperation between us and the profesional experts for the benefit of all. And as for calling oneself an Aspie without an official dx, I think one is honest if one says like many do when they arrive here: "I have not (yet) had a professional evaluation, but I recognise many Aspie traits in myself." That is different from saying "I'm an Aspie for sure and don't need any expert to tell me so." And this is what I did with the historical people; just suggesting the *possibility* and saying that in at least the cases of Tesla and Siri T, I did recognise what I thought to be some rather typical Aspie traits. Did you mind? Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 : > But, unfortunately, there are people who " know " that they have a condition (be it AS, diabetes, or what-have-you) that claim that they could not believe the professional at all when told that they did not have that condition. To them, the condition was definately there, from years of " knowing " and " living " in that condition; therefore, it has to be the professional who is " wrong " in stating that they do not have AS (or diabetes, or whatever). That is when trust in " experts " starts to wain... and the person has to stand up for his own right to self-diagnose his condition as AS (or whatever). From what I've seen on other boards, there are some who claim to be Aspies, but whose favorite hobby seems to be to scheme and manipulate and gang up on others, and then whine about not being able to get a dx. In such cases, I think they are more likely to have some personality disorder instead. > How many people on this list have been force to accept (at least one time) from an " expert " professional that the person did not have any condition associated with the autistic spectrum, when knowing, full well, that their condition was, indeed, part of the autistic spectrum? I for one. But they were not experts on ASD and demonstrated a lack of even the most basic knowledge on the topic. When I met psychiatrists that had more experience of AS, it was clear to them that I was indeed on the spectrum. Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Yes, Inger, I heard you. But my question is: Are there any people on this list who have been to an professional who has sound knowledge of the autistic spectrum (as the person was who stated that you were, indeed, on the spectrum, for example), but that same professional was not willing to go along with the idea that the person coming to him or her might have AS (or autism or other form of PDD)? I can imagine a case, however rare, of a person coming to the conclusion that he or she is on the autistic spectrum, and approaching a professional with years of experience in dealing with others on the spectrum, only to be "chastised" for having this idea of being an autistic person or an aspie. Re: "Aspie celebs " :> But, unfortunately, there are people who "know" that they have acondition (be it AS, diabetes, or what-have-you) that claim that theycould not believe the professional at all when told that they did nothave that condition. To them, the condition was definately there, fromyears of "knowing" and "living" in that condition; therefore, it has tobe the professional who is "wrong" in stating that they do not haveAS (or diabetes, or whatever). That is when trust in "experts" startsto wain... and the person has to stand up for his own right toself-diagnose his condition as AS (or whatever).From what I've seen on other boards, there are some who claim to be Aspies, but whose favorite hobby seems to be to scheme and manipulate and gang up on others, and then whine about not being able to get a dx. In such cases, I think they are more likely to have some personality disorder instead.> How many people on this list have been force to accept (at least onetime) from an "expert" professional that the person did not haveany condition associated with the autistic spectrum, when knowing,full well, that their condition was, indeed, part of the autistic spectrum?I for one. But they were not experts on ASD and demonstrated a lack of even the most basic knowledge on the topic. When I met psychiatrists that had more experience of AS, it was clear to them that I was indeed on the spectrum.IngerFAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Always remember that. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0443-3, 22/10/2004Tested on: 25/10/2004 8:41:59 AMavast! is copyright © 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0443-3, 22/10/2004Tested on: 25/10/2004 8:50:40 AMavast! is copyright © 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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