Re: Hurthle Cell Lesion????

November 3, 2007

Hi,

I don't mean to jump down your throat on this (no thyroid pun

intended) but you need to get pretty proactive about this ASAP!!! You

said you had the fna in 2006??? Hurthle cell lesions can be cancerous

or benign. I would think you would have known if it were one or the

other back in June of 2006??? Did you do any research or question

what they did with the needle biopsy and what the results were?

If it were me I would want to get a copy of every single scrap of

paper related to your thyroid medical condition and get it

yesterday!!! You need to read, read and read some more and figure out

if the people in charge of your health care are doing the proper

things for you. These Hurthle cells are not funny if they are

cancerous and you need to know if your needle biopsy showed any cancer

cells or if it was benign cells.

Sounds to me like you need to know a lot more about your own treatment

before anyone here can help. Your labs are hinky but that all depends

on if you are getting thyroid medication. Please let us know a little

more about your history and current treatment.

If it were me I would have them take that lesion out and biopsy the

sucker. These cells like to metastasize if they are of that nature.

You surely don't want that.

I have had too many idiot doctors try to pretend they know what the

hell they are doing to let this post go by. Get proactive right away.

Call Monday morning and tell the doctor's office you are on your way

to get copies of everything. Read them and then post what you don't

understand and maybe someone here will know what it means. I am going

to go out on a limb and assume the lesion was benign since they didn't

do anything. I am assuming they didn't do anything because you didn't

report anything else.

Sorry to get so worked up over this, it is just amazing what doctors

will and won't do to people. I have seen too many people report their

doctor nearly killed them and I am one of those people so I believe

each and every one of them. Don't you become one of those people by

blindly going along with all of this. Open your eyes wide!!! Get busy!!!

a in North Idaho

>

> I had a fna on June 5, 2006 and the results are (nodule is 1.25 cm):

> Hurthle cell lesion-see comment.

>

> comment: few lymphoid cells noted, suggested lymphocytic

> (Hashimoto's) thyroiditis.

>

> What are hurtle cell lesion and could this lead to cancer?

>

> My blood work:

>

> 1/31/06

>

> TSH .56 (.40-4.0)

> Thyroxine Total 12.7 (5.0-10.8)

>

> 3/10/06

>

> Thyroxine Total 15.7 (5.0-10.8)

> TSH .58 (.40-4.0)

> T3 Resin Uptake 23 (27-39)

> T3, Total 1.84 (.60-1.81)

> FTI 3.6 (1.4-4.2)

>

> 6/5/06

>

> Thyroxine Total 17.2 (5.0-10.8)

> TSH .21 (.40-4.0)

> T3 Resin Uptake 27 (27-39)

> FTI 4.6 (1.4-4.2)

>

> Any advice and comments are welcomed. On 12/13 I am to have blood

> work and another ultrasound and the 1/8/08 I get my results and do

> another fna. How often should I get a ultrasound and a fna?

>

November 3, 2007

Hi,

I think this is a serious matter and should have been aggressively

dealt with in 2006.

This is what a friend wrote who had hurthle cells from an FNA: At one

point my doctor seemed conservative and didn't want me to do the

surgery at all - but when he saw that they found my Hurthle cells he

sent me right to surgery knowing that the only way to find out if

that particular cell is malignant or benign (its a 50-50 shot and its

either all bad or all good) was to do a full surgical dissection with

frozen sections. I was in surgery within two hours.

As for your labs, they are useless; these tests are old worthless

obsolete tests. You need the Free T3 and Free T4 to see what's

actually going on.

This is a 2005 study: Fine-needle aspiration biopsy specimen with a

predominance of Hürthle cells: a dilemma in the management of nodular

thyroid disease.

According to the study anyone with Hurthle cells and a nodule should

have it removed. " As a result, thyroidectomy is recommended for all

patients with a thyroid nodule and a predominance of Hürthle cells on

FNAB specimen. " ( FNAB = A fine-needle aspiration biopsy)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?

Db=PubMed & Cmd=ShowDetailView & TermToSearch=16269293 & ordinalpos=1 & itool=

EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

(Remember YAHOO breaks links so copy/paste to your browser.)

There may be studies that conclude otherwise, but I have never come

across one.

Find a doctor that knows how to treat thyroid nodules and do it

yesterday.

Good luck,

Bj

> >

> > I had a fna on June 5, 2006 and the results are (nodule is 1.25

cm):

> > Hurthle cell lesion-see comment.

> >

> > comment: few lymphoid cells noted, suggested lymphocytic

> > (Hashimoto's) thyroiditis.

> >

> > What are hurtle cell lesion and could this lead to cancer?

> >

> > My blood work:

> >

> > 1/31/06

> >

> > TSH .56 (.40-4.0)

> > Thyroxine Total 12.7 (5.0-10.8)

> >

> > 3/10/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 15.7 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .58 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 23 (27-39)

> > T3, Total 1.84 (.60-1.81)

> > FTI 3.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > 6/5/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 17.2 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .21 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 27 (27-39)

> > FTI 4.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > Any advice and comments are welcomed. On 12/13 I am to have

blood

> > work and another ultrasound and the 1/8/08 I get my results and

do

> > another fna. How often should I get a ultrasound and a fna?

> >

>

November 3, 2007

Hi !

I have been taking Levothroid .125mg on Sept 06. All of the results

that i have just posted....I was not taking any thyroid hormone.

Thank you so much for responding to my question.

Thanks,

>

> Carroll

>

> You don't say whether you have been taking thyroid hormones or

not. Are all

> these your results without ever having taken hormone or are as you

go up on

> your thyroid hormone by mouth? Starting amts? Increases as of

what dates

> or so?

>

> Hurthle Cell Lesion????

>

> >I had a fna on June 5, 2006 and the results are (nodule is 1.25

cm):

> > Hurthle cell lesion-see comment.

> >

> > comment: few lymphoid cells noted, suggested lymphocytic

> > (Hashimoto's) thyroiditis.

> >

> > What are hurtle cell lesion and could this lead to cancer?

> >

> > My blood work:

> >

> > 1/31/06

> >

> > TSH .56 (.40-4.0)

> > Thyroxine Total 12.7 (5.0-10.8)

> >

> > 3/10/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 15.7 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .58 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 23 (27-39)

> > T3, Total 1.84 (.60-1.81)

> > FTI 3.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > 6/5/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 17.2 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .21 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 27 (27-39)

> > FTI 4.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > Any advice and comments are welcomed. On 12/13 I am to have blood

> > work and another ultrasound and the 1/8/08 I get my results and do

> > another fna. How often should I get a ultrasound and a fna?

>

November 3, 2007

Hi a!

I have been worried about this lately. My mom has ovarian cancer and

it really has me thinking maybe I have thyroid cancer. I hope I

don't have it and the results are that it is benign, but it doesn't

say in the report that it is benign. The endo said it is benign.

Kinda of strange isn't it??

> >

> > I had a fna on June 5, 2006 and the results are (nodule is 1.25

cm):

> > Hurthle cell lesion-see comment.

> >

> > comment: few lymphoid cells noted, suggested lymphocytic

> > (Hashimoto's) thyroiditis.

> >

> > What are hurtle cell lesion and could this lead to cancer?

> >

> > My blood work:

> >

> > 1/31/06

> >

> > TSH .56 (.40-4.0)

> > Thyroxine Total 12.7 (5.0-10.8)

> >

> > 3/10/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 15.7 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .58 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 23 (27-39)

> > T3, Total 1.84 (.60-1.81)

> > FTI 3.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > 6/5/06

> >

> > Thyroxine Total 17.2 (5.0-10.8)

> > TSH .21 (.40-4.0)

> > T3 Resin Uptake 27 (27-39)

> > FTI 4.6 (1.4-4.2)

> >

> > Any advice and comments are welcomed. On 12/13 I am to have

blood

> > work and another ultrasound and the 1/8/08 I get my results and

do

> > another fna. How often should I get a ultrasound and a fna?

> >

>

November 4, 2007

,

I just read Bj's post and we both are saying the same thing to you.

Figure out what is going on and do it yesterday!!!

If the endo told you it was benign, find out why. Find out if a

sample was sent to a lab and tested and a lab says " begign " or if your

endo is just guessing. I wouldn't trust an endo as far as I could

throw them. My endo (who I fired a few years ago) was about 98 pounds

so I figure I could throw her a few feet. I wouldn't even trust her

that much. I wouldn't trust the other endos I saw in the years before

seeing her either. I know there are several folks here who will tell

you never, never, never trust an endo. I have heard some real horror

stories about endos. I have it really bad because I don't trust

doctors one bit. Not a one of them, ever!! You have to be your own

doctor and research, read and learn about your own results. I cannot

stress this enough.

Hopefully and probably your endo told you your lesion was benign

because there was proof in black and white. You need to see that

proof with your own two eyes. You need to prove to yourself that your

endo made that proper diagnosis from the proper tests. Bj is right,

your blood work is worthless and based on antiquated tests that most

doctors don't even run anymore because they have figure out they are

worthless and there are much better labs now days. This worries me.

Your doc is running antiquated tests on you and you have a possible

serious health problem.

I doubt your mom having ovarian cancer will indicate your risk for

thyroid cancer. I am sorry about your mom. I hope she is doing OK.

My mom just found out she has breast cancer but it will have a happy

ending because they caught it early.

Yes, I do think it is strange that the report doesn't say the lesion

is benign. Find out if your endo was reading another report or his

crystal ball. Please...find out tomorrow morning!! If you have to go

to his office and demand the reports figure out what he based his

opinion on. Ask...sit in his office until you get an answer. If you

don't get an answer then he was using his crystal ball and they are

not very accurate or scientific.

You asked earlier how often you should have certain tests. I think

you need to totally regroup and start from scratch. If there is a

biopsy report other than the one you have and it says benign then have

another needle biopsy at the end of the year, as planned, to see if

you get a second 'benign' report. If there isn't a report that exists

that says benign I would be raising holy hell at that endo's office.

Really, get busy, get angry and get provable answers right away. If

you do have thyroid cancer you can take solace in the fact that they

are usually slow growing and typically not deadly. Again, if it were

my body and they said Hurthle cells I would have them take the lesion

completely out and get the entire 1.25cm biopsied. It would probably

be a day surgery. Better to be safe than sorry.

Please keep us posted and I want to read your posts in the next few

days that say you got all of your reports and that you have been

aggressive with your life!!!

a in North Idaho

>

> Hi a!

>

> I have been worried about this lately. My mom has ovarian cancer and

> it really has me thinking maybe I have thyroid cancer. I hope I

> don't have it and the results are that it is benign, but it doesn't

> say in the report that it is benign. The endo said it is benign.

> Kinda of strange isn't it??

>

November 4, 2007

Have you had any antibodies testing, like for Grave's Disease or

Hashimoto's? Did i miss this in another post? That's an awful lot ot T4

hormone production for someone who doesn't take by mouth, and it's all

coming from the gland itself. Doesn't mean it's being utilized, however.

Strange, though, how that T4 keeps climbing up up up.

Hurthle Cell Lesion????

>>

>> >I had a fna on June 5, 2006 and the results are (nodule is 1.25

> cm):

>> > Hurthle cell lesion-see comment.

>> >

>> > comment: few lymphoid cells noted, suggested lymphocytic

>> > (Hashimoto's) thyroiditis.

>> >

>> > What are hurtle cell lesion and could this lead to cancer?

>> >

>> > My blood work:

>> >

>> > 1/31/06

>> >

>> > TSH .56 (.40-4.0)

>> > Thyroxine Total 12.7 (5.0-10.8)

>> >

>> > 3/10/06

>> >

>> > Thyroxine Total 15.7 (5.0-10.8)

>> > TSH .58 (.40-4.0)

>> > T3 Resin Uptake 23 (27-39)

>> > T3, Total 1.84 (.60-1.81)

>> > FTI 3.6 (1.4-4.2)

>> >

>> > 6/5/06

>> >

>> > Thyroxine Total 17.2 (5.0-10.8)

>> > TSH .21 (.40-4.0)

>> > T3 Resin Uptake 27 (27-39)

>> > FTI 4.6 (1.4-4.2)

>> >

>> > Any advice and comments are welcomed. On 12/13 I am to have blood

>> > work and another ultrasound and the 1/8/08 I get my results and do

>> > another fna. How often should I get a ultrasound and a fna?