Re: Re: Update on my knee (OT)

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In a message dated 7/4/00 1:17:11 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

heather@... writes:

<< PLEASE!!!!!! Take care of yourself hon...

AND make sure to use your military heath care that you oh soooo much

deserve and pay for!

love,

mixmasta_heather

PS...Happy 4th to all, way over here for me..

my 2nd 4th i´ve missed. you all celebrate for me!

>>

Where are you stationed? I am taking care of myself, but I HAD to see what

my limits were. Now that I know, trust me I won't do it again...I am not

sucking it up, I am going back to the doc on Wed against my better

judgement...I hate military docs...no offense to anyone who might be one! I

have had nothing but bad experiences with them. I have been having knee

probs since high school. Go figure that I am injured again, but this time it

seems more serious...I will probably have to have surgery, and that scares

the hell out of me...I don't know...

Trust me, I will probably celebrate the 4th enough for most on this list!!!

Hee Hee!

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In a message dated 7/4/00 3:06:33 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, slowens@...

writes:

<< So, we

definitely understand how you feel. You are not alone.

>>

I know that some of you know how it feels to be laughed at and all, but do

you understand not getting the same job opportunities as someone who is

skinny? Do you understand about being forced to PT 5 times a week even if

you are sick, and injuring yourself because of it? Do you know how it feels

to have to go throught the humiliation of being " taped " for bodyfat? I DO.

I know all that humiliation all too well...as soon as I get my weight in

check, and I am finally getting back into standards, and I am finally looking

like i want to, I have to stop because of an injury, and now I have put

weight back on...and I HATE IT!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/00 3:23:44 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

heather@... writes:

<< " tape test " (body fat test) >>

I go through that humiliation on a regular basis...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/00 3:10:58 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, srferron@...

writes:

<< {{{}}}

I am wishing you luck and sending healing thoughts your way!

;-)

F >>

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 5:40:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, talia@...

writes:

<< Can I put in my two cents? By the time you get this you may already have

your results from the Doc. But my suggestion (to add to the hundreds of

them!) is that you should calm down. You are going through a stressful

situation that creates a lot of fear and uncertainty, and it opens up lots

of boxes of insecurity (which we ALL have) and it magnifies all of our

weaknesses. >>

Excellent post to , Talia.

~Kat, who often has to work on " taking one minute/day at a time "

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In a message dated 7/4/00 12:00:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Honeybear3899@... writes:

<< I know that some of you know how it feels to be laughed at and all, but do

you understand not getting the same job opportunities as someone who is

skinny? Do you understand about being forced to PT 5 times a week even if

you are sick, and injuring yourself because of it? Do you know how it feels

to have to go throught the humiliation of being " taped " for bodyfat? I DO.

I know all that humiliation all too well...as soon as I get my weight in

check, and I am finally getting back into standards, and I am finally

looking

like i want to, I have to stop because of an injury, and now I have put

weight back on...and I HATE IT!

>>

.... didn't you know when you signed up that this is the way the

military works? my hubby went through all of that and me and the girls were

right there. when he was sick I had to care for him and still send him off,

in DEC/Jan he always came down with a bad case of strep. no it wasn't fun and

he always came home late ..like after 8-10pm after going in at 6 am. military

life is hard on the personnel and after basic training you already know what

is ahead of you. when he finished basic about half of the company he was in

quit, so it is not an easy life and if you have to you can get a hardship out

of the service. so once again dont beat yourself up about it. take a deep

breath. and just breath...

ROMIE

[Guest guest]

<<Can I put in my two cents? >>

Talia

Thank you for such an inspirational post.

Jill

[Guest guest]

Shalom ( " Peace to you, " ),

Isn't that great how many of us love you and care about you. Look how much

input you are getting from everybody. You must be very special.

Can I put in my two cents? By the time you get this you may already have

your results from the Doc. But my suggestion (to add to the hundreds of

them!) is that you should calm down. You are going through a stressful

situation that creates a lot of fear and uncertainty, and it opens up lots

of boxes of insecurity (which we ALL have) and it magnifies all of our

weaknesses. Most all of us go through the FAT issue and many of us feel

insecure in WHATEVER situation we are because we don't measure up to what we

think other people think of us. The reality is, people not only CAN be

cruel, they ARE cruel. And most of these people who are putting us down for

whatever flaw they have chosen to major on with us are only covering for

their own major personal flaws. I had a teacher who once said, " Don't let

the Enemy know where you tied your goat. " I thought that was brilliant. We

all know that our goat is that thing that disturbs us the most. There is a

scripture from the New Testament that says we should bless (or pray or

forgive, I forgot exactly but all of them are good) for those who persecute

us or hate us, etc. There is power we can gain from not letting those people

have power over us, and by praying for them or blessing them or whatever, it

can remove from them the control they have over us. Sometimes we give people

too much regard over us and then we BELIEVE what they say about us. But they

are WRONG. Yes, I might be FAT or whatever, but that doesn't make me a BAD

person. It just makes me FAT or whatever, that's all. But the kicker is, is

that those of us in this circle are all working to change that, and in time,

we who are FAT aren't going to be for long. (We can apply this to whatever

the thing is that people criticize us for.) That's all on that subject. Just

don't let those other define the standards.

Regarding your knee, just wait until you get the results, and THEN proceed.

One day at a time, one step at a time. Most of our freaking out comes from

letting our thinking drive us. As many have said, think positive thoughts.

Don't try to climb any mountains until you get to them. Then see what you

need to do in order to scale it. Life is sometimes like a video game where

you have all these opponents flying toward you (I'm referring to some of

those very OLD video games) and you just have to either shoot them down, or

move out of the way...

I don't want you to be offended by anything I have said. I am taking the

time to share my thoughts with you because I care about you (you are now one

of my taebo buddies!) and I want to see you get through the things that are

before you. I'm praying for re: the knee thing and look forward to getting

the positive results that it isn't what you thought.

Love you, ,

Talia

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Talia Adar

Jerusalem Post

Tel: (02) 531-5639

Fax: (02) 538-8408

> From: Honeybear3899@...

> Reply-To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:37:09 EDT

> To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Subject: Re: Re: Update on my knee (OT)

>

> In a message dated 7/4/00 3:06:33 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, slowens@...

> writes:

>

> << So, we

> definitely understand how you feel. You are not alone.

>

>

>>>

> I know that some of you know how it feels to be laughed at and all, but do

> you understand not getting the same job opportunities as someone who is

> skinny? Do you understand about being forced to PT 5 times a week even if

> you are sick, and injuring yourself because of it? Do you know how it feels

> to have to go throught the humiliation of being " taped " for bodyfat? I DO.

> I know all that humiliation all too well...as soon as I get my weight in

> check, and I am finally getting back into standards, and I am finally looking

> like i want to, I have to stop because of an injury, and now I have put

> weight back on...and I HATE IT!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 6:45:14 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

FRCHYFREY@... writes:

<< .... didn't you know when you signed up that this is the way the

military works? my hubby went through all of that and me and the girls were

right there. when he was sick I had to care for him and still send him off,

in DEC/Jan he always came down with a bad case of strep. no it wasn't fun

and

he always came home late ..like after 8-10pm after going in at 6 am.

military

life is hard on the personnel and after basic training you already know what

is ahead of you. when he finished basic about half of the company he was in

quit, so it is not an easy life and if you have to you can get a hardship

out

of the service. so once again dont beat yourself up about it. take a deep

breath. and just breath...

ROMIE

>>

I knew that it was going to be bad, but I never expected to have to be on

MANDO PT. That is why I had to go through that...because I had a child and

the military doestn' sympathize with women who just had children and take

into account that when they weigh you...I was less than 2% over the max

bodyfat when I was " oficially " weighted and taped, and for that I had to go

on mando...they didn't care that I had a child six months earlier...that

didn't matter and it didn't matter that I was within standards within a

month...I still had to do it for 6 months, and because of it, I am injured...

[Guest guest]

Hello again all. I know that I told everyone that I was going in for my test

results today...and I did go in...here is what they found "

THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!!

My doc cannot figure out why I am in so much pain. They found NOTHING on the

ultrasound, though the doc can feel the lump in my knee, so there is

SOMETHING there. But they can't find anything...so, guess what? I have to

go in for MORE TESTS...I have to have an MRI...but I can't have it till next

week, so the waiting game continues. Boy, if i was ina bad mood earlier, I

am in a REALLY FOUL DISPOSITION now.

I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly to

see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT! And they weren't TOO

expensive...from Honolulu to Chicago I expected much worse...so that is a

little bit of good news to tide me over...I get to see my baby, and I can't

wait.

Everyone, please continue to keep me in your thoughts and prayers, and I will

try not to be such a b**ch in the future!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 2:40:20 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

talia@... writes:

<< I don't want you to be offended by anything I have said. I am taking the

time to share my thoughts with you because I care about you (you are now one

of my taebo buddies!) and I want to see you get through the things that are

before you. I'm praying for re: the knee thing and look forward to getting

the positive results that it isn't what you thought.

Love you, ,

Talia

>>

I was not the least bit offended by what you said Talia....absolutley the

conpletely opposite...it made me cry. And helps me to get some perspective

when I am being really irrational...thank you so much Talia. You all really

are such wonderful friends...thanks everyone...I love you all!!!!

[Guest guest]

At 10:38 PM 07/05/00, Honeybear3899@... wrote:

>THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!!

Oh lordy. This sounds oh TOO familiar!

>I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly to

>see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT!

WOO HOO! ::::doing the happy dance for !::::

-- Sandy

http://home.earthlink.net/~diamonique/sisterlocks/journey.html

[Guest guest]

You get to see your little man huh? This is great, although you are going

through trials and tests, the higher power (God) continues to smile upon

you. Because of your faithfulness and humbleness you are going to go far in

life!!! Nae

Re: Re: Update on my knee (OT)

Hello again all. I know that I told everyone that I was going in for my

test

results today...and I did go in...here is what they found "

THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!!

My doc cannot figure out why I am in so much pain. They found NOTHING on

the

ultrasound, though the doc can feel the lump in my knee, so there is

SOMETHING there. But they can't find anything...so, guess what? I have to

go in for MORE TESTS...I have to have an MRI...but I can't have it till next

week, so the waiting game continues. Boy, if i was ina bad mood earlier, I

am in a REALLY FOUL DISPOSITION now.

I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly to

see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT! And they weren't TOO

expensive...from Honolulu to Chicago I expected much worse...so that is a

little bit of good news to tide me over...I get to see my baby, and I can't

wait.

Everyone, please continue to keep me in your thoughts and prayers, and I

will

try not to be such a b**ch in the future!!!

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[Guest guest]

,

I will continue to pray for you. Just hang in there. Don't come to any

conclusions that your doctor hasn't come to. We will all just wait with you

for the next results. It's not fun, but you can do it. We're all behind you

all the way.

-------

Talia Adar

Jerusalem Post

Tel: (02) 531-5639

Fax: (02) 538-8408

> From: Honeybear3899@...

> Reply-To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:38:29 EDT

> To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Subject: Re: Re: Update on my knee (OT)

>

> Hello again all. I know that I told everyone that I was going in for my test

> results today...and I did go in...here is what they found "

>

> THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!!

>

> My doc cannot figure out why I am in so much pain. They found NOTHING on the

> ultrasound, though the doc can feel the lump in my knee, so there is

> SOMETHING there. But they can't find anything...so, guess what? I have to

> go in for MORE TESTS...I have to have an MRI...but I can't have it till next

> week, so the waiting game continues. Boy, if i was ina bad mood earlier, I

> am in a REALLY FOUL DISPOSITION now.

>

> I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly to

> see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT! And they weren't TOO

> expensive...from Honolulu to Chicago I expected much worse...so that is a

> little bit of good news to tide me over...I get to see my baby, and I can't

> wait.

>

> Everyone, please continue to keep me in your thoughts and prayers, and I will

> try not to be such a b**ch in the future!!!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Where do sports heroes like Jeter, Mia Hamm,

> Vince and Peyton Manning hang out? Where else?

> Click now and find ?em all here!

> http://click./1/6211/2/_/21226/_/962851115/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. "

>

> Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot to mention - I think it's great that you get to go see your

little boy. You see, there are good things out there for you. Try to major

on those blessings - there will be more. Have a great time in Chicago when

you go.

-------

Talia Adar

Jerusalem Post

Tel: (02) 531-5639

Fax: (02) 538-8408

> From: Honeybear3899@...

> Reply-To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:38:29 EDT

> To: tae-bo_onegroups

> Subject: Re: Re: Update on my knee (OT)

>

> Hello again all. I know that I told everyone that I was going in for my test

> results today...and I did go in...here is what they found "

>

> THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!!!

>

> My doc cannot figure out why I am in so much pain. They found NOTHING on the

> ultrasound, though the doc can feel the lump in my knee, so there is

> SOMETHING there. But they can't find anything...so, guess what? I have to

> go in for MORE TESTS...I have to have an MRI...but I can't have it till next

> week, so the waiting game continues. Boy, if i was ina bad mood earlier, I

> am in a REALLY FOUL DISPOSITION now.

>

> I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly to

> see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT! And they weren't TOO

> expensive...from Honolulu to Chicago I expected much worse...so that is a

> little bit of good news to tide me over...I get to see my baby, and I can't

> wait.

>

> Everyone, please continue to keep me in your thoughts and prayers, and I will

> try not to be such a b**ch in the future!!!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Where do sports heroes like Jeter, Mia Hamm,

> Vince and Peyton Manning hang out? Where else?

> Click now and find ?em all here!

> http://click./1/6211/2/_/21226/_/962851115/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> As Deb has said: " Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step. "

>

> Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 4:51:26 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,

diamonique@... writes:

<< WOO HOO! ::::doing the happy dance for !::::

-- Sandy >>

thanks Sandy...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 6:19:23 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,

momie@... writes:

<< You get to see your little man huh? This is great, although you are going

through trials and tests, the higher power (God) continues to smile upon

you. Because of your faithfulness and humbleness you are going to go far in

life!!! Nae >>

That is oh so true!!!

HEather

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/00 1:24:57 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

talia@... writes:

<< ,

I will continue to pray for you. Just hang in there. Don't come to any

conclusions that your doctor hasn't come to. We will all just wait with you

for the next results. It's not fun, but you can do it. We're all behind you

all the way.

>>

Thanks Talia. I appreciate it!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/00 7:13:47 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

susan@... writes:

<< Accept the compliments and reassurance in the spirit that they

are given!!)

Regards,

K in Texas

>>

I haev the worst time lisening to him go on about me...I am so shy that it

makes me bluch horribly!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 12:31:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Honeybear3899@... writes:

<< I knew that it was going to be bad, but I never expected to have to be on

MANDO PT. That is why I had to go through that...because I had a child and

the military doestn' sympathize with women who just had children and take

into account that when they weigh you...I was less than 2% over the max

bodyfat when I was " oficially " weighted and taped, and for that I had to go

on mando...they didn't care that I had a child six months earlier...that

didn't matter and it didn't matter that I was within standards within a

month...I still had to do it for 6 months, and because of it, I am injured...

>>

,

i agree with you on the military not sympathizing with women who give

birth... and after all the fighting that went on so that women would be

treated equally in the military I have to also agree with the military ... if

women want equal treatment we just cant complain about it when it happens ...

let me share a small story with you ... when i was in high school i was

determined to be in the auto mechanics class, well my dad is a big chauvinist

he said no way his girl would be getting dirty like that. i learned in my

sophomore year of high school if i wanted to be treated as equal i had to

take the same punishment that any guy in that class would have to.and when i

graduated and went to a tech school i really met my match here i was one of

three girls in a school of450 something guys. i learned to stand my own

ground and be respected and a human and not just a woman .. because lets face

it all guys are jerks and they would think oh she's a girl she cant handle

it.... i proved them wrong and i got respect for who i was and not what i was

... but i had to face the final conclusion if i cant run with the big dogs i

should stay on the porch. i chose to run with the big dogs and i kept up with

them and that gave me a better perspective on life. i cant expect any special

treatment because i am a woman. i expect special treatment because i am me. i

hope i didn't come off to hard. wanting children is one reason i decided not

to go into a military career.

ROMIE

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/00 7:39:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Honeybear3899@... writes:

<< I do have a little bit of GREAT NEWS! I am paying for my tickets to fly

to

see my little boy this week. I CAN'T WAIT! And they weren't TOO

expensive...from Honolulu to Chicago I expected much worse...so that is a

little bit of good news to tide me over...I get to see my baby, and I can't

wait. >>

heather that is great news .... enjoy the time with your son. you are in my

prayers

romie

[Guest guest]

Romie

Thanks for a great post - I feel pretty much the same way, and thankfully

have earned a lot of respect from like-minded people

Jill

who's Dad always said " just do you best "

<< if women want equal treatment we just cant complain about it when it

happens ... let me share a small story with you ... when I was in high

school I was determined to be in the auto mechanics class, well my dad is a

big chauvinist he said no way his girl would be getting dirty like that. I

learned in my sophomore year of high school if I wanted to be treated as

equal I had to take the same punishment that any guy in that class would

have to.and when i

graduated and went to a tech school i really met my match here i was one of

three girls in a school of450 something guys. i learned to stand my own

ground and be respected and a human and not just a woman .. because lets

face it all guys are jerks and they would think oh she's a girl she cant

handle it.... i proved them wrong and i got respect for who i was and not

what i was . but i had to face the final conclusion if i cant run with the

big dogs i

should stay on the porch. i chose to run with the big dogs and i kept up

with them and that gave me a better perspective on life. i cant expect any

special treatment because i am a woman. i expect special treatment because i

am me. >>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/00 5:39:15 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,

FRCHYFREY@... writes:

<< agree with you on the military not sympathizing with women who give

birth... and after all the fighting that went on so that women would be

treated equally in the military I have to also agree with the military ...

if

women want equal treatment we just cant complain about it when it happens

....

let me share a small story with you ... when i was in high school i was

determined to be in the auto mechanics class, well my dad is a big

chauvinist

he said no way his girl would be getting dirty like that. >>

Ok, this is going to sound harsh, but I have to say it...I don't expect equal

treatment, but wake up! Women ARE different from men. The fact of the

matter is, it is hard to recover from having a baby and that is something

that men will NEVER EVER DO! Of course women are going to be treated

differently in that respect. I was never planning on having children while I

was in the military. And I think that your example about high school is a

little different....you didn't have to be WEIGHED and stuff...I know where

you are coming from, but the military is a totally different story. I am not

asking for anything out of the ordinary...women are different from men, and I

don't remember being a part of the feminist movement....

I am sorry if that sounded harsh or anything, but what you said sort of

insulted me.