Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Posted January 23, 2006 Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led to her affair and our divorce. I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be able to even *try* to understand what we go through every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes both ways. Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's obviously statistically significant. Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. Are they all saints or do they just suffer because they don't want a divorce? I wonder. FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep sleep and has worked with many of his patients who *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake up more refreshed. OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to lurking!!! -------------- Original message from : -------------- Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to him. Men have no patience for things that take time to change. Rita Garvey wrote: Hi ,So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto'sand was diagnosed in October after being admitted tothe hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44and an almost non-existent blood pressure.Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been feelingany better. Called the endo the other day to tell herof my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went forblood work and do not have the results as of yet. I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurredvision. I thought I was having a stroke !!I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg everyday. Endo does not seem to think that is affectingmedication. Don't know about Zoloft though.Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is notsupportive at all. "you take a pill, you should feelbetter" mentality.That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy.Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need tosupport each other through this chronic disease. Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a littledifferently.Rita G--- moniquetreschic wrote:> Hello, my name is .> > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > Hoping to connect > with you and gather information on making this new> journey > successful.> > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey,> because to go into > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and> me).> > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had> it ever since). > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two> lovely men and very > confident in my lifework and interaction with the> world. I wear > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. Ha> ha.> > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy> (left side) and > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and> counting!) No chemo > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second> husband had > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer -> needless to say, > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so> far). All is > better now.> > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had> uterus removed > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and> causing lots of > strange dining experiences.> > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have been> on slow uptake > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH> originally 7.5 and > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said> ABSOLUTELY. WHY?> > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though husband> and I became > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning> my diet????? > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? I> live near > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and> do eat fresh fish > (OK, pesco vegan wino).> > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband> sometimes drove me > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the car.> > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying> excessivly. > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. Vision> has been > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft -> now I'm reading > that this may combat effectiveness of levothyroxine> - yes????)> > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep clinic> and I'm > receiving breathing mask tomorrow.> > 6. Never had children because of "supposed"> infertility issue. Moot > point now.> > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast> reconstructions > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I cancelled> reconstruction > to deal with Hashi's.> > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have been> a carrier of a > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? Has> everything I've > experienced been a product of this???> > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and> receiving > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey> because I want to lose > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take> for sleep apnea.> > What should I ask my endo? What key questions must> I bring to my > first meeting so that I can beat this??? That do> you think of > levothyroxine?> > Other bit of info, in case you can tell me why this> is, after taking > 25mg of levothyroxine for six weeks TSH dropped to> only 6.75. > Doctor disappointed. Is this indicative of Zoloft> effect?> > Would love to hear about your successes, struggles> and incredible > breakthroughs.> > My heart goes out to all of you because I still have> one,> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Posted January 23, 2006 OK, OK. My husband is a Saint. I should give him more credit. He listens, absorbs and then 2 weeks later admits that it now makes sense. Absorption factor here is 2 weeks. News on Klonopin. I have been on K since 1989. New diagnosis (second opinion in 6 years) says that K only masks the impact of various sleep disorders allowing one to be oblivious to said disorders.....and YES one doesn't really sleep deeply. You just think you are. Better to resolve real issues that are causing lack of deep sleep than go with another palliative drug...I say. But that's just me. Let me know how it goes, Mcopeland.cole@... wrote: Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led to her affair and our divorce. I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be able to even *try* to understand what we go through every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes both ways. Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's obviously statistically significant. Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. Are they all saints or do they just suffer because they don't want a divorce? I wonder. FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep sleep and has worked with many of his patients who *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake up more refreshed. OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to lurking!!! -------------- Original message from : -------------- Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to him. Men have no patience for things that take time to change. Rita Garvey wrote: Hi ,So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto'sand was diagnosed in October after being admitted tothe hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44and an almost non-existent blood pressure.Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been feelingany better. Called the endo the other day to tell herof my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went forblood work and do not have the results as of yet. I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurredvision. I thought I was having a stroke !!I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg everyday. Endo does not seem to think that is affectingmedication. Don't know about Zoloft though.Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is notsupportive at all. "you take a pill, you should feelbetter" mentality.That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy.Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need tosupport each other through this chronic disease. Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a littledifferently.Rita G--- moniquetreschic wrote:> Hello, my name is .> > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > Hoping to connect > with you and gather information on making this new> journey > successful.> > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey,> because to go into > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and> me).> > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had> it ever since). > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two> lovely men and very > confident in my lifework and interaction with the> world. I wear > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. Ha> ha.> > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy> (left side) and > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and> counting!) No chemo > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second> husband had > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer -> needless to say, > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so> far). All is > better now.> > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had> uterus removed > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and> causing lots of > strange dining experiences.> > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have been> on slow uptake > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH> originally 7.5 and > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said> ABSOLUTELY. WHY?> > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though husband> and I became > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning> my diet????? > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? I> live near > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and> do eat fresh fish > (OK, pesco vegan wino).> > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband> sometimes drove me > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the car.> > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying> excessivly. > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. Vision> has been > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft -> now I'm reading > that this may combat effectiveness of levothyroxine> - yes????)> > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep clinic> and I'm > receiving breathing mask tomorrow.> > 6. Never had children because of "supposed"> infertility issue. Moot > point now.> > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast> reconstructions > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I cancelled> reconstruction > to deal with Hashi's.> > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have been> a carrier of a > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? Has> everything I've > experienced been a product of this???> > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and> receiving > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey> because I want to lose > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take> for sleep apnea.> > What should I ask my endo? What key questions must> I bring to my > first meeting so that I can beat this??? That do> you think of > levothyroxine?> > Other bit of info, in case you can tell me why this> is, after taking > 25mg of levothyroxine for six weeks TSH dropped to> only 6.75. > Doctor disappointed. Is this indicative of Zoloft> effect?> > Would love to hear about your successes, struggles> and incredible > breakthroughs.> > My heart goes out to all of you because I still have> one,> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Posted January 23, 2006 Happy birthday! I think once you get all these hormones straightened out, the fogginess and lack of control will go away. You might need a little estrogen/progesterone/testosterone supplementation too, but I'd focus on one at a time. --- Rita Garvey wrote: > I just turned 58 on Jn 20th. Have been > post-menopausal for 4 yrs now. > Hate this feeling of not being in control of my mind > and body. > Still feel so " foggy " at times. > Thanks for listening. > > Rita G > > --- Bennet wrote: > > > Rita: I read back through your messages--you seem > to > > have a variety of problems: night sweats, SVT, low > > blood sugar, as well as Hashimoto's. And you > weren't > > absorbing the Synthroid so your doctor gave you > > Levoxyl but you don't feel any better on that, > > either. > > > > My advice: there seem to be a certain percentage > > of people who don't do well on synthetics. I'm > like > > that--Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothroid... all make > me > > sick. On " NaturalThyroidHormones " or the " Thyroid " > > lists on Yahoo, there are a lot of energetic > > defenders of Armour Thyroid. The reason they're > like > > that is that the difference in our bodies between > > the synthetics and Armour is like night and day, > > even though many others do quite well on > Synthroid, > > etc. If the Levoxyl continues to have little > effect, > > I suggest you try Armour. At the very least, try a > > combo of Levoxyl and Cytomel (a T3 medicine). > > > > As for the night sweats: I don't know if they're > > thyroid related or not. You do not mention your > age. > > They could be a perimenopausal symptom--in all > > women, estrogen is lower at night than during the > > day, which is why night sweats can occur years > > before daytime hot flashes. > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > > Hi , > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have > Hashimoto's > > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted > to > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of > 44 > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > feeling > > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > > her > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > > for > > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has > blurred > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg > every > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is > affecting > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > > not > > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > > feel > > better " mentality. > > That causes me more stress and I already feel > lousy. > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all > need > > to > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > differently. > > > > Rita G > > > > > > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > > > > Hoping to connect > > > with you and gather information on making this > new > > > journey > > > successful. > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical > journey, > > > because to go into > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and > > > me). > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have > had > > > it ever since). > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two > > > lovely men and very > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with > the > > > world. I wear > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my > legs. > > Ha > > > ha. > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy > > > (left side) and > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and > > > counting!) No chemo > > > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my > second > > > husband had > > > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer - > > > needless to say, > > > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life > so > > > far). All is > > > better now. > > > > > > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and > had > > > uterus removed > > > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and > > > causing lots of > > > strange dining experiences. > > > > > > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have > > been > > > on slow uptake > > > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH > > > originally 7.5 and > > > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said > > > ABSOLUTELY. WHY? > > > > > > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though > > husband > > > and I became > > > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always > questioning > > > my diet????? > > > Hello! What else could I remove from said > diet?? > > I > > > live near > > > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts > and > > > do eat fresh fish > > > (OK, pesco vegan wino). > > > > > > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband > > > sometimes drove me > > > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the > > car. > > > > > > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying > > > excessivly. > > > > > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. > > Vision > > > has been > > > improving dramatically since taking > levothyroxine. > > > > > > > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft > - > > > now I'm reading > > > that this may combat effectiveness of > > levothyroxine > > > - yes????) > > > > > > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep > > clinic > > > and I'm > > > receiving breathing mask tomorrow. > > > > > > 6. Never had children because of " supposed " > > > infertility issue. Moot > > > point now. > > > > > > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, > pre-breast > > > reconstructions > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Posted January 23, 2006 Hmmm, interesting news on Klonopin. You wouldn't have any studies you could refer me to, would you? I found one of my old sleep studies from 1998 and am looking for my original one from 1993 when I first got sick. I guess one of the problems is that both times they told me *not* to take sleep meds to take the study...now why is that when you take them every other night? It didn't make a lot of sense to me, then or now. So maybe my doc is right if your doc also says the same about Klonopin. Perhaps it still doesn't allow me to reach deep sleep, but I dont' know what I would do without it. The few times I have forgotten to take it or gone out of town without it, I have not been able to sleep....PERIOD. I know I am dependent on it. So, it's obviously better than the alternative, but our docs may be right, I may *still* not be getting the actual sleep I need to get by on. -------------- Original message from : -------------- OK, OK. My husband is a Saint. I should give him more credit. He listens, absorbs and then 2 weeks later admits that it now makes sense. Absorption factor here is 2 weeks. News on Klonopin. I have been on K since 1989. New diagnosis (second opinion in 6 years) says that K only masks the impact of various sleep disorders allowing one to be oblivious to said disorders.....and YES one doesn't really sleep deeply. You just think you are. Better to resolve real issues that are causing lack of deep sleep than go with another palliative drug...I say. But that's just me. Let me know how it goes, Mcopeland.cole@... wrote: Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led to her affair and our divorce. I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be able to even *try* to understand what we go through every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes both ways. Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's obviously statistically significant. Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. Are they all saints or do they just suffer because they don't want a divorce? I wonder. FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep sleep and has worked with many of his patients who *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake up more refreshed. OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to lurking!!! -------------- Original message from : -------------- Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to him. Men have no patience for things that take time to change. Rita Garvey wrote: Hi ,So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto'sand was diagnosed in October after being admitted tothe hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44and an almost non-existent blood pressure.Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been feelingany better. Called the endo the other day to tell herof my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went forblood work and do not have the results as of yet. I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurredvision. I thought I was having a stroke !!I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg everyday. Endo does not seem to think that is affectingmedication. Don't know about Zoloft though.Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is notsupportive at all. "you take a pill, you should feelbetter" mentality.That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy.Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need tosupport each other through this chronic disease. Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a littledifferently.Rita G--- moniquetreschic wrote:> Hello, my name is .> > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > Hoping to connect > with you and gather information on making this new> journey > successful.> > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey,> because to go into > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and> me).> > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had> it ever since). > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two> lovely men and very > confident in my lifework and interaction with the> world. I wear > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. Ha> ha.> > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy> (left side) and > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and> counting!) No chemo > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second> husband had > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer -> needless to say, > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so> far). All is > better now.> > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had> uterus removed > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and> causing lots of > strange dining experiences.> > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have been> on slow uptake > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH> originally 7.5 and > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said> ABSOLUTELY. WHY?> > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though husband> and I became > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning> my diet????? > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? I> live near > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and> do eat fresh fish > (OK, pesco vegan wino).> > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband> sometimes drove me > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the car.> > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying> excessivly. > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. Vision> has been > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft -> now I'm reading > that this may combat effectiveness of levothyroxine> - yes????)> > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep clinic> and I'm > receiving breathing mask tomorrow.> > 6. Never had children because of "supposed"> infertility issue. Moot > point now.> > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast> reconstructions > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I cancelled> reconstruction > to deal with Hashi's.> > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have been> a carrier of a > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? Has> everything I've > experienced been a product of this???> > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and> receiving > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey> because I want to lose > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take> for sleep apnea.> > What should I ask my endo? What key questions must> I bring to my > first meeting so that I can beat this??? That do> you think of > levothyroxine?> > Other bit of info, in case you can tell me why this> is, after taking > 25mg of levothyroxine for six weeks TSH dropped to> only 6.75. > Doctor disappointed. Is this indicative of Zoloft> effect?> > Would love to hear about your successes, struggles> and incredible > breakthroughs.> > My heart goes out to all of you because I still have> one,> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Posted January 23, 2006 Yeah, you are dependent on it. That sucks. Maybe if you get your thyroid stuff straightened out, you will more easily be able to wean off of it? I've encountered a lot of people who had sleep problems when hypothyroid, even though that sounds contradictory. I was a little dependent on Klonipin, but after 2 bad nights, I was OK again. I think I hardly slept the first night, then I slept a bit better the second night, then after that it was OK. --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > Hmmm, interesting news on Klonopin. You wouldn't > have any studies you could refer me to, would you? > > I found one of my old sleep studies from 1998 and am > looking for my original one from 1993 when I first > got sick. I guess one of the problems is that both > times they told me *not* to take sleep meds to take > the study...now why is that when you take them every > other night? It didn't make a lot of sense to me, > then or now. > > So maybe my doc is right if your doc also says the > same about Klonopin. Perhaps it still doesn't allow > me to reach deep sleep, but I dont' know what I > would do without it. The few times I have forgotten > to take it or gone out of town without it, I have > not been able to sleep....PERIOD. I know I am > dependent on it. > > So, it's obviously better than the alternative, but > our docs may be right, I may *still* not be getting > the actual sleep I need to get by on. > > -------------- Original message from > : -------------- > > > OK, OK. My husband is a Saint. I should give him > more credit. He listens, absorbs and then 2 weeks > later admits that it now makes sense. Absorption > factor here is 2 weeks. > > News on Klonopin. I have been on K since 1989. New > diagnosis (second opinion in 6 years) says that K > only masks the impact of various sleep disorders > allowing one to be oblivious to said > disorders.....and YES one doesn't really sleep > deeply. You just think you are. Better to resolve > real issues that are causing lack of deep sleep than > go with another palliative drug...I say. But that's > just me. > > Let me know how it goes, > > M > > copeland.cole@... wrote: > Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife > tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led > to her affair and our divorce. > > I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect > of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be > able to even *try* to understand what we go through > every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes > both ways. > > Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed > that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that > 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's > obviously statistically significant. > > Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. > Are they all saints or do they just suffer because > they don't want a divorce? I wonder. > > FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks > me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if > I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also > is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily > used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to > try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very > close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep > sleep and has worked with many of his patients who > *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake > up more refreshed. > > OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to > lurking!!! > > -------------- Original message from > : -------------- > > > Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. > He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! > > Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a > book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to > him. > > Men have no patience for things that take time to > change. > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > Hi , > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto's > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted to > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44 > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > feeling > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > her > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > for > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurred > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg every > day. Endo does not seem to think that is affecting > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > not > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > feel > better " mentality. > That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy. > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need > to > support each other through this chronic disease. > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > differently. > > Rita G > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > wrote: > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > > Hoping to connect > > with you and gather information on making this new > > journey > > successful. > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey, > > because to go into > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and > > me). > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had > > it ever since). > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two > > lovely men and very > > confident in my lifework and interaction with the > > world. I wear > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. > Ha > > ha. > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy > > (left side) and > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and > > counting!) No chemo > > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second > > husband had > > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer - > > needless to say, > > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so > > far). All is > > better now. > > > > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had > > uterus removed > > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and > > causing lots of > > strange dining experiences. > > > > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have > been > > on slow uptake > > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH > > originally 7.5 and > > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said > > ABSOLUTELY. WHY? > > > > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though > husband > > and I became > > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning > > my diet????? > > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? > I > > live near > > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and > > do eat fresh fish > > (OK, pesco vegan wino). > > > > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband > > sometimes drove me > > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the > car. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Posted January 24, 2006 What would I do without all of you? Hearing about others having similar symptoms has helped me to realize that I am not alone with this disease. What a wonderful support group!!! As for husbands......mine if off in Florida for three months playing golf. Doesn't matter that I still can't do much, he wanted to golf and so he is. Guess I could have gone with him, but didn't want to (so I really shouldn't bad-mouth him). Realize that he is alot of my stress, you know, the lack of support, etc. Wonder if this is the prelude to my marriage ending. Just don't seem to care anymore. Do others feel the same way at times? Rita G --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife > tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led > to her affair and our divorce. > > I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect > of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be > able to even *try* to understand what we go through > every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes > both ways. > > Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed > that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that > 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's > obviously statistically significant. > > Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. > Are they all saints or do they just suffer because > they don't want a divorce? I wonder. > > FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks > me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if > I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also > is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily > used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to > try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very > close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep > sleep and has worked with many of his patients who > *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake > up more refreshed. > > OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to > lurking!!! > > -------------- Original message from > : -------------- > > > Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. > He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! > > Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a > book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to > him. > > Men have no patience for things that take time to > change. > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > Hi , > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto's > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted to > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44 > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > feeling > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > her > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > for > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurred > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg every > day. Endo does not seem to think that is affecting > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > not > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > feel > better " mentality. > That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy. > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need > to > support each other through this chronic disease. > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > differently. > > Rita G > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > wrote: > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > > Hoping to connect > > with you and gather information on making this new > > journey > > successful. > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey, > > because to go into > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and > > me). > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had > > it ever since). > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two > > lovely men and very > > confident in my lifework and interaction with the > > world. I wear > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. > Ha > > ha. > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy > > (left side) and > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and > > counting!) No chemo > > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second > > husband had > > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer - > > needless to say, > > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so > > far). All is > > better now. > > > > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had > > uterus removed > > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and > > causing lots of > > strange dining experiences. > > > > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have > been > > on slow uptake > > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH > > originally 7.5 and > > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said > > ABSOLUTELY. WHY? > > > > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though > husband > > and I became > > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning > > my diet????? > > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? > I > > live near > > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and > > do eat fresh fish > > (OK, pesco vegan wino). > > > > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband > > sometimes drove me > > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the > car. > > > > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying > > excessivly. > > > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. > Vision > > has been > > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > > > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft - > > now I'm reading > > that this may combat effectiveness of > levothyroxine > > - yes????) > > > > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep > clinic > > and I'm > > receiving breathing mask tomorrow. > > > > 6. Never had children because of " supposed " > > infertility issue. Moot > > point now. > > > > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast > > reconstructions > > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I > cancelled > > reconstruction > > to deal with Hashi's. > > > > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have > been > > a carrier of a > > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? > Has > > everything I've > > experienced been a product of this??? > > > > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and > > receiving > > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey > > because I want to lose > > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take > > for sleep apnea. > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Posted January 24, 2006 Do you snore? Do you have trouble breathing? That is why, with this latest sleep study done end of last year, they allowed me to take the K while in the sleep lab. Even with the K I had breathing obstructions and this explained why I still did not feel rested. I went to a major hospital in Boston MA. I just got my breathing CPAP machine and mask and I'm going to see if that helps. The point of this exercise to is to wean me off the K this coming year. Curious, what were your symptoms? copeland.cole@... wrote: Hmmm, interesting news on Klonopin. You wouldn't have any studies you could refer me to, would you? I found one of my old sleep studies from 1998 and am looking for my original one from 1993 when I first got sick. I guess one of the problems is that both times they told me *not* to take sleep meds to take the study...now why is that when you take them every other night? It didn't make a lot of sense to me, then or now. So maybe my doc is right if your doc also says the same about Klonopin. Perhaps it still doesn't allow me to reach deep sleep, but I dont' know what I would do without it. The few times I have forgotten to take it or gone out of town without it, I have not been able to sleep....PERIOD. I know I am dependent on it. So, it's obviously better than the alternative, but our docs may be right, I may *still* not be getting the actual sleep I need to get by on. -------------- Original message from : -------------- OK, OK. My husband is a Saint. I should give him more credit. He listens, absorbs and then 2 weeks later admits that it now makes sense. Absorption factor here is 2 weeks. News on Klonopin. I have been on K since 1989. New diagnosis (second opinion in 6 years) says that K only masks the impact of various sleep disorders allowing one to be oblivious to said disorders.....and YES one doesn't really sleep deeply. You just think you are. Better to resolve real issues that are causing lack of deep sleep than go with another palliative drug...I say. But that's just me. Let me know how it goes, Mcopeland.cole@... wrote: Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led to her affair and our divorce. I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be able to even *try* to understand what we go through every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes both ways. Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's obviously statistically significant. Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. Are they all saints or do they just suffer because they don't want a divorce? I wonder. FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep sleep and has worked with many of his patients who *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake up more refreshed. OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to lurking!!! -------------- Original message from : -------------- Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to him. Men have no patience for things that take time to change. Rita Garvey wrote: Hi ,So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto'sand was diagnosed in October after being admitted tothe hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44and an almost non-existent blood pressure.Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been feelingany better. Called the endo the other day to tell herof my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went forblood work and do not have the results as of yet. I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurredvision. I thought I was having a stroke !!I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg everyday. Endo does not seem to think that is affectingmedication. Don't know about Zoloft though.Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is notsupportive at all. "you take a pill, you should feelbetter" mentality.That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy.Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need tosupport each other through this chronic disease. Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a littledifferently.Rita G--- moniquetreschic wrote:> Hello, my name is .> > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > Hoping to connect > with you and gather information on making this new> journey > successful.> > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey,> because to go into > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and> me).> > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had> it ever since). > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two> lovely men and very > confident in my lifework and interaction with the> world. I wear > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. Ha> ha.> > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy> (left side) and > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and> counting!) No chemo > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second> husband had > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer -> needless to say, > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so> far). All is > better now.> > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had> uterus removed > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and> causing lots of > strange dining experiences.> > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have been> on slow uptake > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH> originally 7.5 and > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said> ABSOLUTELY. WHY?> > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though husband> and I became > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning> my diet????? > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? I> live near > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and> do eat fresh fish > (OK, pesco vegan wino).> > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband> sometimes drove me > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the car.> > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying> excessivly. > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. Vision> has been > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft -> now I'm reading > that this may combat effectiveness of levothyroxine> - yes????)> > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep clinic> and I'm > receiving breathing mask tomorrow.> > 6. Never had children because of "supposed"> infertility issue. Moot > point now.> > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast> reconstructions > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I cancelled> reconstruction > to deal with Hashi's.> > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have been> a carrier of a > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? Has> everything I've > experienced been a product of this???> > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and> receiving > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey> because I want to lose > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take> for sleep apnea.> > What should I ask my endo? What key questions must> I bring to my > first meeting so that I can beat this??? That do> you think of > levothyroxine?> > Other bit of info, in case you can tell me why this> is, after taking > 25mg of levothyroxine for six weeks TSH dropped to> only 6.75. > Doctor disappointed. Is this indicative of Zoloft> effect?> > Would love to hear about your successes, struggles> and incredible > breakthroughs.> > My heart goes out to all of you because I still have> one,> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Posted January 24, 2006 Hey, I LOVE to golf, but three months without the wife? Total lack of feelings or he does want you to leave and can't tell you himself. But...why didn't you go with him? You say he did ask? -------------- Original message from Rita Garvey : -------------- > What would I do without all of you? > Hearing about others having similar symptoms has > helped me to realize that I am not alone with this > disease. > What a wonderful support group!!! > > As for husbands......mine if off in Florida for three > months playing golf. > Doesn't matter that I still can't do much, he wanted > to golf and so he is. Guess I could have gone with > him, but didn't want to (so I really shouldn't > bad-mouth him). Realize that he is alot of my stress, > you know, the lack of support, etc. > Wonder if this is the prelude to my marriage ending. > Just don't seem to care anymore. > Do others feel the same way at times? > > Rita G > > > > --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > > > Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife > > tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led > > to her affair and our divorce. > > > > I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect > > of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be > > able to even *try* to understand what we go through > > every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes > > both ways. > > > > Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed > > that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that > > 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's > > obviously statistically significant. > > > > Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. > > Are they all saints or do they just suffer because > > they don't want a divorce? I wonder. > > > > FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks > > me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if > > I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also > > is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily > > used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to > > try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very > > close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep > > sleep and has worked with many of his patients who > > *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake > > up more refreshed. > > > > OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to > > lurking!!! > > > > -------------- Original message from > > : -------------- > > > > > > Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. > > He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! > > > > Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a > > book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to > > him. > > > > Men have no patience for things that take time to > > change. > > > > > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > > Hi , > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto's > > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted to > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44 > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > feeling > > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > > her > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > > for > > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurred > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg every > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is affecting > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > > not > > supportive at all. "you take a pill, you should > > feel > > better" mentality. > > That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy. > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need > > to > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > differently. > > > > Rita G > > > > > > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > > > Hoping to connect > > > with you and gather information on making this new > > > journey > > > successful. > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey, > > > because to go into > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and > > > me). > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had > > > it ever since). > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two > > > lovely men and very > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with the > > > world. I wear > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. > > Ha > > > ha. > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy > > > (left side) and > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and > > > counting!) No chemo > > > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second > > > husband had > > > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer - > > > needless to say, > > > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so > > > far). All is > > > better now. > > > > > > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had > > > uterus removed > > > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and > > > causing lots of > > > strange dining experiences. > > > > > > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have > > been > > > on slow uptake > > > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH > > > originally 7.5 and > > > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said > > > ABSOLUTELY. WHY? > > > > > > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though > > husband > > > and I became > > > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning > > > my diet????? > > > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? > > I > > > live near > > > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and > > > do eat fresh fish > > > (OK, pesco vegan wino). > > > > > > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband > > > sometimes drove me > > > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the > > car. > > > > > > 3. Eye's water constantly as though I am crying > > > excessivly. > > > > > > 3a. Vision blurred. Eyes constantly tired. > > Vision > > > has been > > > improving dramatically since taking levothyroxine. > > > > > > > > 4. On antidepressants for several years (Zoloft - > > > now I'm reading > > > that this may combat effectiveness of > > levothyroxine > > > - yes????) > > > > > > 5. Developed sleep apnea, diagnosed in sleep > > clinic > > > and I'm > > > receiving breathing mask tomorrow. > > > > > > 6. Never had children because of "supposed" > > > infertility issue. Moot > > > point now. > > > > > > Diagnosed with Hashi's by pure chance, pre-breast > > > reconstructions > > > surgeon did pre-op immunity diagnosis. I > > cancelled > > > reconstruction > > > to deal with Hashi's. > > > > > > Does anyone see a pattern here??? Could I have > > been > > > a carrier of a > > > more subtle form of Hashimoto since childhood? > > Has > > > everything I've > > > experienced been a product of this??? > > > > > > Seeing endo (after requesting referral from GP and > > > receiving > > > approval) in 3 weeks. Excited of new journey > > > because I want to lose > > > weight, get of antidepressants and klonopin I take > > > for sleep apnea. > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Posted January 24, 2006 I can't comment on the state of your marriage because there are too many issues here that I don't know about. But I will say a few things: 1) being hypothyroid makes you depressed. 2) You're on 60mg Prozac. One of the most brilliant comments I've heard about what anti-depressants do is that they make you not care that you don't care about the things you used to care that you cared about. So, in your brief message I can't tell your tone, but it's possible that you're feeling really detached or helpless against events that you could otherwise feel more active about or care about. 3) When you get your thyroid problem under control, you can likely go off the Prozac, and start to engage more with various issues that concern you. 4) so, if it's not already, then fixing your thyroid should be your #1 priority for awhile, because it will make all of your other problems much easier to manage. You should either get on a higher dose, or try some different thyroid medications. > > Hi , > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto's > > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted to > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44 > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > feeling > > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > > her > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > > for > > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurred > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg every > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is affecting > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > > not > > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > > feel > > better " mentality. > > That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy. > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need > > to > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > differently. > > > > Rita G Quote
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 You know, you are probably right. perhaps the prozac is making me not care about anything, including my marriage. He is in Florida for three months and I am so suprised that I do not miss him at all. Almost a relief he is gone. Had blurred vision the other day and dr wanted more bloodwork. my TSH is 0.11 and she has changed my levoxyl to 75 mcg and 88 mcg every other day. Seems like I can't get myself regulated. Has this happened to alot of others too. Rita G --- the2thinkers wrote: > I can't comment on the state of your marriage > because there are too > many issues here that I don't know about. But I will > say a few things: > 1) being hypothyroid makes you depressed. > 2) You're on 60mg Prozac. One of the most brilliant > comments I've > heard about what anti-depressants do is that they > make you not care > that you don't care about the things you used to > care that you cared > about. So, in your brief message I can't tell your > tone, but it's > possible that you're feeling really detached or > helpless against > events that you could otherwise feel more active > about or care about. > 3) When you get your thyroid problem under control, > you can likely go > off the Prozac, and start to engage more with > various issues that > concern you. > 4) so, if it's not already, then fixing your thyroid > should be your > #1 priority for awhile, because it will make all of > your other > problems much easier to manage. You should either > get on a higher > dose, or try some different thyroid medications. > > > > > Hi , > > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have > Hashimoto's > > > and was diagnosed in October after being > admitted to > > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of > 44 > > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > > feeling > > > any better. Called the endo the other day to > tell > > > her > > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I > went > > > for > > > blood work and do not have the results as of > yet. > > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has > blurred > > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg > every > > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is > affecting > > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband > is > > > not > > > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > > > feel > > > better " mentality. > > > That causes me more stress and I already feel > lousy. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all > need > > > to > > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > > differently. > > > > > > Rita G > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 maybe he is not too happy with this marriage either. If I went to Florida with him, I would be doing the same thing I do at home and that is everything by myself. He still would golf, sit and watch tv and keep to himself ( he is retired and feels he " deserves " to do nothing)! The only difference would be is that I would be in a warmer climate. He tells me he misses me. No one to wash his clothes, make his meals, coffee, etc. Yeah!!!!!! Also wanted to be close to endo in case Hashi acted up, which it did last week with blurred vision and extreme light-headedness. had to go in for blood work and med adjustments. So, that's my story. I am too tired to fight with him and have just given up. I don't think he really cares and at this point, I don't either. Maybe once the Hashi's is under control, I will be more hopeful of my marriage. Rita G. --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > Hey, I LOVE to golf, but three months without the > wife? Total lack of feelings or he does want you to > leave and can't tell you himself. > > But...why didn't you go with him? You say he did > ask? > > -------------- Original message from Rita Garvey > : -------------- > > > > What would I do without all of you? > > Hearing about others having similar symptoms has > > helped me to realize that I am not alone with this > > > disease. > > What a wonderful support group!!! > > > > As for husbands......mine if off in Florida for > three > > months playing golf. > > Doesn't matter that I still can't do much, he > wanted > > to golf and so he is. Guess I could have gone with > > > him, but didn't want to (so I really shouldn't > > bad-mouth him). Realize that he is alot of my > stress, > > you know, the lack of support, etc. > > Wonder if this is the prelude to my marriage > ending. > > Just don't seem to care anymore. > > Do others feel the same way at times? > > > > Rita G > > > > > > > > --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > > > > > Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my > ex-wife > > > tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which > led > > > to her affair and our divorce. > > > > > > I really think it's just the chronic illness > aspect > > > of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be > > > able to even *try* to understand what we go > through > > > every day. Men may be worse than women, but it > goes > > > both ways. > > > > > > Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed > > > > that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note > that > > > 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's > > > obviously statistically significant. > > > > > > Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% > are. > > > Are they all saints or do they just suffer > because > > > they don't want a divorce? I wonder. > > > > > > FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it > knocks > > > me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder > if > > > I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin > also > > > is known for repairing the brain, as it is > primarily > > > used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to > > > > try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a > very > > > close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep > > > sleep and has worked with many of his patients > who > > > *thought* they were getting good sleep but now > wake > > > up more refreshed. > > > > > > OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to > > > lurking!!! > > > > > > -------------- Original message from > > > : -------------- > > > > > > > > > Had same reaction from my husband in the past > year. > > > He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! > > > > > > Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a > > > > book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud > to > > > him. > > > > > > Men have no patience for things that take time > to > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > > > Hi , > > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have > Hashimoto's > > > and was diagnosed in October after being > admitted to > > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of > 44 > > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > > feeling > > > any better. Called the endo the other day to > tell > > > her > > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I > went > > > for > > > blood work and do not have the results as of > yet. > > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has > blurred > > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg > every > > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is > affecting > > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband > is > > > not > > > supportive at all. " you take a pill, you should > > > feel > > > better " mentality. > > > That causes me more stress and I already feel > lousy. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all > need > > > to > > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > > > differently. > > > > > > Rita G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 > weeks). > > > > Hoping to connect > > > > with you and gather information on making this > new > > > > journey > > > > successful. > > > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical > journey, > > > > because to go into > > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you > and > > > > me). > > > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have > had > > > > it ever since). > > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to > two > > > > lovely men and very > > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with > the > > > > world. I wear > > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my > legs. > > > Ha > > > > ha. > > > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had > masectomy > > > > (left side) and > > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years > and > > > > counting!) No chemo > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 Rita, Your feelings for your husband and the " weight " of having to care for another person reflect my own at this time. What you say below is what I have said to myself several times in the last year. In fact, I'm delighted when my company sends me away for a few weeks for a project because I can stay in a hotel room where someone will make my bed, I eat at restaurants or take out (no dishes and cooking) and I speak to my husband very little except for a call at night. (I don't want to hear his problems). It feels as though it is too much to care for both myself, right now, and my partner. Its hard to convey this to someone that without sounding selfish and indifferent. But I'm just very, very, very tired and trying to stay employed. I really need these thyroid meds to work. I can't wait to visit with the Endo next Friday and talk to him. Its only been a little over two months. I can't wait to see what happens in a year or two. > > > > > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 > > weeks). > > > > > Hoping to connect > > > > > with you and gather information on making this > > new > > > > > journey > > > > > successful. > > > > > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical > > journey, > > > > > because to go into > > > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you > > and > > > > > me). > > > > > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have > > had > > > > > it ever since). > > > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to > > two > > > > > lovely men and very > > > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with > > the > > > > > world. I wear > > > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my > > legs. > > > > Ha > > > > > ha. > > > > > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had > > masectomy > > > > > (left side) and > > > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years > > and > > > > > counting!) No chemo > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Posted January 26, 2006 hi, i have to say i think any chronic illness has to affect a marriage....some better some worse.....HT has definitely affected mine. i'm 41 and been married 22 yrs and have 2 small children....ages 2 and 6. i married the quietest most gentle man in the world but this turned him into a controlling verbally abusive person....we went to counseling and things are better now. i'm getting better now after 3 yrs.....he wanted out and i grabbed what little strength i could muster and fought with all i had. he can't relate b/c he has never been sick or had surgery....plus we have no visible signs of anything wrong.....they just think we are lazy. its very frustrating. it also put doubts in my head about my marriage.....first illness and he doesn't want to care for me so what happens when i get old and have a serious illness.... -- Re: New Journey - Hashi's Rita,Your feelings for your husband and the "weight" of having to care for another person reflect my own at this time. What you say below is what I have said to myself several times in the last year. In fact, I'm delighted when my company sends me away for a few weeks for a project because I can stay in a hotel room where someone will make my bed, I eat at restaurants or take out (no dishes and cooking) and I speak to my husband very little except for a call at night. (I don't want to hear his problems).It feels as though it is too much to care for both myself, right now, and my partner. Its hard to convey this to someone that without sounding selfish and indifferent. But I'm just very, very, very tired and trying to stay employed.I really need these thyroid meds to work. I can't wait to visit with the Endo next Friday and talk to him. Its only been a little over two months. I can't wait to see what happens in a year or two. > > > > > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8> > weeks). > > > > > Hoping to connect > > > > > with you and gather information on making this> > new > > > > > journey > > > > > successful. > > > > > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical> > journey, > > > > > because to go into > > > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you> > and > > > > > me). > > > > > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have> > had > > > > > it ever since). > > > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to> > two > > > > > lovely men and very > > > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with> > the > > > > > world. I wear > > > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my> > legs. > > > > Ha > > > > > ha. > > > > > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had> > masectomy > > > > > (left side) and > > > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years> > and > > > > > counting!) No chemo > > > === message truncated ===> > > __________________________________________________> Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 I don't mind being dependent on it, it's not like an addiction...I don't crave it, I just have to have it to sleep at all!!! Perhaps if I could get my immune system and thyroid corrected it would all go away, but I just thank God I have the Klonopin to knock me out now. For a time, it was extreme fatigue *and* no sleep...imgaine that for about a month, and you can see why I was getting to the point of going crazy and not caring if I lived or died. But, I found K worked, though it may not be the best thing I need. -------------- Original message from Bennet : -------------- > Yeah, you are dependent on it. That sucks. Maybe if > you get your thyroid stuff straightened out, you will > more easily be able to wean off of it? I've > encountered a lot of people who had sleep problems > when hypothyroid, even though that sounds > contradictory. I was a little dependent on Klonipin, > but after 2 bad nights, I was OK again. I think I > hardly slept the first night, then I slept a bit > better the second night, then after that it was OK. > > --- copeland.cole@... wrote: > > > Hmmm, interesting news on Klonopin. You wouldn't > > have any studies you could refer me to, would you? > > > > I found one of my old sleep studies from 1998 and am > > looking for my original one from 1993 when I first > > got sick. I guess one of the problems is that both > > times they told me *not* to take sleep meds to take > > the study...now why is that when you take them every > > other night? It didn't make a lot of sense to me, > > then or now. > > > > So maybe my doc is right if your doc also says the > > same about Klonopin. Perhaps it still doesn't allow > > me to reach deep sleep, but I dont' know what I > > would do without it. The few times I have forgotten > > to take it or gone out of town without it, I have > > not been able to sleep....PERIOD. I know I am > > dependent on it. > > > > So, it's obviously better than the alternative, but > > our docs may be right, I may *still* not be getting > > the actual sleep I need to get by on. > > > > -------------- Original message from > > : -------------- > > > > > > OK, OK. My husband is a Saint. I should give him > > more credit. He listens, absorbs and then 2 weeks > > later admits that it now makes sense. Absorption > > factor here is 2 weeks. > > > > News on Klonopin. I have been on K since 1989. New > > diagnosis (second opinion in 6 years) says that K > > only masks the impact of various sleep disorders > > allowing one to be oblivious to said > > disorders.....and YES one doesn't really sleep > > deeply. You just think you are. Better to resolve > > real issues that are causing lack of deep sleep than > > go with another palliative drug...I say. But that's > > just me. > > > > Let me know how it goes, > > > > M > > > > copeland.cole@... wrote: > > Hey, hey, hey, it's not all guys now...my ex-wife > > tired rather quickly of *me* being tired which led > > to her affair and our divorce. > > > > I really think it's just the chronic illness aspect > > of it all. After awhile, it takes a saint to be > > able to even *try* to understand what we go through > > every day. Men may be worse than women, but it goes > > both ways. > > > > Just FYI, the MS Society did a study that showed > > that 80% of MS patients get divorced. Now note that > > 50% of *all* couples get divorced, but it's > > obviously statistically significant. > > > > Imagine the type of people the remaining 20% are. > > Are they all saints or do they just suffer because > > they don't want a divorce? I wonder. > > > > FYI II, I take klonopin for sleep also and it knocks > > me out, but now my doctor is beginning to wonder if > > I actually reach deep sleep with it. Klonopin also > > is known for repairing the brain, as it is primarily > > used to prevent epilepsy attacks. He wants me to > > try Xyrem, which was the date-rape drug, or a very > > close sibling to it. He claims it induces deep > > sleep and has worked with many of his patients who > > *thought* they were getting good sleep but now wake > > up more refreshed. > > > > OK, I've had my say for a few months...back to > > lurking!!! > > > > -------------- Original message from > > : -------------- > > > > > > Had same reaction from my husband in the past year. > > He's starting to think I'm a hypochondriac! > > > > Now I pass on literature to him to read - even a > > book. If he doesn't read it, I read it out loud to > > him. > > > > Men have no patience for things that take time to > > change. > > > > > > > > Rita Garvey wrote: > > Hi , > > So glad to hear from you. I, too, have Hashimoto's > > and was diagnosed in October after being admitted to > > the hospital with an abnormal EKG, heart rate of 44 > > and an almost non-existent blood pressure. > > Take 88mch of Levoxyl and still have not been > > feeling > > any better. Called the endo the other day to tell > > her > > of my vision being blurred and tired eyes. I went > > for > > blood work and do not have the results as of yet. > > I was so happy to hear that someone else has blurred > > vision. I thought I was having a stroke !! > > I also take an anti depressant...Prozac 60 mg every > > day. Endo does not seem to think that is affecting > > medication. Don't know about Zoloft though. > > > > Sometimes I think I am going crazy. My husband is > > not > > supportive at all. "you take a pill, you should > > feel > > better" mentality. > > That causes me more stress and I already feel lousy. > > > > Thanks for sharing your story with us. We all need > > to > > support each other through this chronic disease. > > Amazing how Hashi affects everyone just a little > > differently. > > > > Rita G > > > > > > > > > > --- moniquetreschic > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, my name is . > > > > > > I was recently diagnosed with Hashi's (8 weeks). > > > Hoping to connect > > > with you and gather information on making this new > > > journey > > > successful. > > > > > > I offer a succinct history of my medical journey, > > > because to go into > > > details would be condusive to sleep (for you and > > > me). > > > > > > - Age ten developed Alopecia Universalis (have had > > > it ever since). > > > I've coped well,thank you. Married twice to two > > > lovely men and very > > > confident in my lifework and interaction with the > > > world. I wear > > > beautiful wigs and I don't have to shave my legs. > > Ha > > > ha. > > > > > > - Age 45 developed breast cancer. Had masectomy > > > (left side) and > > > quickly had a clean bill of health. (3 years and > > > counting!) No chemo > > > and no radiation treatment. (Side note: my second > > > husband had > > > prostate cancer same time I had breast cancer - > > > needless to say, > > > that was not the sunfilled rosy chapter of life so > > > far). All is > > > better now. > > > > > > - Age 48 had HUGE fibroid tumors in uterus and had > > > uterus removed > > > due to one fibroid pushing into stomach wall and > > > causing lots of > > > strange dining experiences. > > > > > > - Age 49 (tada! well 49 in a few weeks) I have > > been > > > on slow uptake > > > of levothyroxine for 8 weeks. 25mg start. TSH > > > originally 7.5 and > > > GP questioned if I should be treated! I said > > > ABSOLUTELY. WHY? > > > > > > 1. I have gained 50 lbs in 5 years...though > > husband > > > and I became > > > vegans 3 years ago!!! Doctor's always questioning > > > my diet????? > > > Hello! What else could I remove from said diet?? > > I > > > live near > > > fishing village on east coast of Massachusetts and > > > do eat fresh fish > > > (OK, pesco vegan wino). > > > > > > 2. Became so excessively tired that my husband > > > sometimes drove me > > > home from work as I lay in the backseat of the > > car. > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Posted January 30, 2006 On not being able to sleep -- I went through this for many months - almost one year - and it was miserable, I know. Then I changed doctors and this new doc said to me, Take your dosage at night before bed. Literally that night I started sleeping. It felt like a miracle! I'm not sure what your dosing schedule is, but this helped me greatly. I was on levothyroxine then but now am on Armour and do the same. With Armour, since I am on more, I break it up and take in 3 doses over the day, but I must have at least 50-60mg for sleep I have found. ~Anitacopeland.cole@... wrote: I don't mind being dependent on it, it's not like an addiction...I don't crave it, I just have to have it to sleep at all!!! Perhaps if I could get my immune system and thyroid corrected it would all go away, but I just thank God I have the Klonopin to knock me out now. For a time, it was extreme fatigue *and* no sleep...imgaine that for about a month, and you can see why I was getting to the point of going crazy and not caring if I lived or died. But, I found K worked, though it may not be the best thing I need. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos Quote
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