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Hi ,

I appreciate your comments. Of course, I must respectfully disagree that we must have it ALL to maintain our bodies, and -of course- the fact that you feel you must is only proof that YOU must. Conversely, I would say that *I* was proof that you don't! (see my point? <wink>)

I only mention heart disease and meat consumption because it's been proven - a diet high in meat is a diet high in cholesterol, low in fiber, and too much protein (the Standard American Diet (SAD) and this is a diet linked with heart disease, type II diabetes, and cancers (colon and prostate, most specifically). A great place for information is the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine. (www.pcrm.org)

It's quite possible the sickly feeling from NOT eating it that some people experience is a withdrawal from one or more of several things... the high protein content, the

fact that meat is a stimulant (yes, that's right), and that lasting "full feeling" one gets (because it takes longer to digest). The body typically reacts to such a dietary adjustment and usually it is experienced as unpleasant... for the first ten days or so. It's a little like the symptoms felt when one gives up [toxic] stimulants such as coffee or chocolate. The result is often headaches and lethargy. While our bodies are discarding the toxins (caffeine, theobromine) being removed from our tissues, they make their way through the bloodstream. Similarly, this process seems to occur when one who typically eats a diet heavy in black pepper, cheese, and/or meats. The withdrawal of stimulation registers as a decrease of energy, but usually only lasts around ten days (sometimes a little longer). However, if whole foods (whole grains, fruits and vegetables) are maintained, this period is followed by an increase of strength and vigor. A LOT of people who eliminate stimulants or addictive foods start eating them again because they "felt better before" or feel without their old foods they feel weak. This is typically only because the body was not given enough time to get past the elmination process and complete the recuperation that is needed.

However, if you feel better eating it... and I feel better NOT eating it, it stands to reason what both of us should do, ¿sí?

For foods that have a good amount of folic acid, here is a little chart that might help:

Food that are high in folate: Folate per serving: Daily Value:

Instant oatmeal (1 cup) 161 mcg 40%

Navy beans, cooked (1/2 cup) 127 mcg 32%

Orange juice from concentrate (1 cup) 109 mcg 27%

Raw spinach (1 cup)*** 108 mcg 27%

Peanuts (1/2 cup) 92 mcg 23%

Avocado (half) 54 mcg 24%

Green peas, cooked (1/2 cup) 47 mcg 12%

Romaine lettuce (1 cup) 41 mcg 10%

***A goitrogenic

I need to do a better job at eating more folate-rich foods, myself.

Thanks for the input, !

Suzy

-----Original Message-----From: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:20 PMTo: Thyroiditis Subject: Re: Re: Veg-like diet

I'm in agreement about this, Suzy. My two oldest daughters and I all have Hashimoto's Disease. The older one has Type A blood, I have Type A blood (both positive), and the other daughter in question has Type O+. The very youngest and third daughter has Type O- blood, as her father does/did. My other biological child, who is male, has Type O+ and neither of them has any sign of thyroid disease, at this time. Type O blood is so common because it is a "dominant" blood type, in gene expression, as you probably already know. Remember, I am an A+ and feel very sickly not eating beef, and I have good low cholesterols forever (other than when I was chronicly hypothyroid, with a folic acid deficiency and a TSH of anywhere from 10 to 35 and very low Frees) and ever, higher in the good ones, low in the bad ones and good triclycerides. There is a much more intricate body process to all this than just either pinning things on a blood type OR even pinning heart disease on eating meat, either one. I've been a beef eater ALL my life, feel very bad without it, but I do eat adequate amts, at this time, of veggies and fruits, etc.........It's a balance of things, not just one or two things. As far as I'm concerned, we must have it ALL to maintain our bodies in balance. I'm certainly proof of that, as I had a bad folic acid deficiency months back.

RE: Re: Veg-like diet

<< Also, have you ever read anything about blood types? We've discussed it on this list in the past & it was very interesting that most Hashi's patients are type 0 blood. We found it to be true here in this group! Also, 0 blood types *should* eat meat. It has something to do with being the original blood type (oldest ancestors) and we were all meat eaters & that's how are bodies were made. Now, A types can do better on a veggie diet. I forgot all the reasoning behind that one. >>

I would imagine the reason there are more Hashimoto's patients with Type O blood is because there are more Type O people in general. It would only stand to reason then that this would be the case.

I've looked in the the ER4YT diet and found several things wrong with it.

First, there are theoretical problems:

This author makes the assertion that different blood types evolved over the last few thousand years or so in response to varying dietary needs. Aside from the fact that it takes much longer than a few thousand years for such "evolution," all ABO blood groups are also found in primates (i.e. they did not evolve recently). This would logicall leads one to believe that blood type differences are not about evolutionary changes based on food consumption. All blood types evolved millions of years ago, and agriculture emerged somewhere in the area of 10,000 years ago. By the way, we were NOT all meat-eaters originally. As a species, we began as gatherers, then moved on to hunters/gatherers after the disovery of "tools," and then moved on to become less nomadic and farmed our food. There ARE a few cultures who have not followed this "evolution" - but, for the most part, the majority of the planet's people have. Anthropologically, his "facts" are a bit off.

Secondly, the author's scary lectin stories are provided as "proof" because the author saw "clumping" occur with different blood types on slides in a lab. This does not reflect what may actually happen in the human body and we cannot know what conditions contributed to his findings. Additionally, the author has very few documented sources... it's hard to believe one should simply take his assertions at face value. The lack of sources and research documented in his book is what's really scary.

He asserts that "type O's" have much more stomach acid and thus they have a sufficient environment to digest more protein and thus they should be meat-eaters. However, it is not stomach acid that digests protein, it's pepsin. Hydrochloric acid is necessary for the conversion of pepsinogen (inactive) to pepsin (active), but has nothing to do with digestion of protein.

The best that can be said of the book is that every blood type is told to stay away from processed foods and to eat more vegetables and fruits. Could this be the actual reason anyone sees improvement from such diets? ALL of the diets recommend eating less, eating healthier, and getting more exercise. (Except for the O's. They are encouraged to get heart disease.)

I also found it interesting that he attributes personality types to blood type as well. This is akin to astrology and hair color -- remember the assertions that all red-heads have hot tempers or all Virgo's are logical thinkers. While this can be said of some, it certainly cannot be said of all, but one might as well eat for their hair color or astrological sign.

Another interesting note, none of his research has ever been published for review.

Just my two cents on the issue of D’Adamo's book.

Suzy*Note: Information is freely exchanged on this board based on patient experiences, and should not be considered a medical recommendation.