listeria

[Guest guest]

For those of you concerned about listeria - www.cdc.gov and search

listeria - you won't find much.

Basically it is an " ubuiquitous " bacteria. In other words, it lives

everywhere and is most dangerous to young children and people with

struggling immune systems - either from age or other disease.

This is the best " info " I could find from the CDC in a five minute

search:

The interesting part is how it was contracted - at the very end -

basically someone's equipment or hands were dirty. And it points out

that all food should be handled by clean hands in a clean environment

- not just milk. Pretty basic stuff your parents should teach you...

nothing major to worry about!!

Multistate outbreak of listeriosis--United States, 2000.

[No authors listed]

Since May 2000, 29 illnesses caused by a strain of Listeria

monocytogenes (LM) have been identified in 10 states: New York (15

cases); Georgia (three); Connecticut, Ohio, and Michigan (two each);

and California, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and Wisconsin (one

each). Dates of LM isolation ranged from May 17 through November 26

with 26 (90%) infections occurring since July 15. When subtyped, the

LM isolates from these cases were indistinguishable by pulsed-field

gel electrophoresis (PulseNet pattern numbers GX6A16.0014 by Asc1 and

GX6A12.0017 by Apa1) and ribotyping (DUP-1053). This report summarizes

the investigation, which linked these cases of listeriosis to eating

deli turkey meat.

[Guest guest]

--- In RawDairy , " wannabe_guru " <wannabe_guru@y...> >

Ben

I haven't gotten the chance to read other people's responses to your

dilemma (sp?) to see if they have asked the same question but is

their any chance of reversal of this judgement if you can present

data to the contrary?

Doctors know absolutely squat about nutrition, and even less about

general healthy eating. I come from a family of doctors and am a

nurse myself.

If you ask most doctors what foods they can get different

vitamins/minerals etc from you'll most likely get a huge question

mark!

Not all doctors are the same of course. . . In fact there is probably

a doctor/pediatrician near you that might want to take this on in

court. There is enough scientific data out there now to support the

consumption of raw milk etc.

[Guest guest]

I am hoping that there will be a reversal. My lawyer has filed an

appeal to the SRS's report finding me guilty of " abuse " for giving

raw milk to my daughter who was 7 months at the time. The reason we

are appealing the SRS's decision is because the SRS's report was the

basis of the judge's ruling to take away my right to have a say in my

daughter's health care. What I need for the appeal is cited studies

showing that nature has wisely put beneficial organisms in raw goat's

milk that reduces the possibility of contracting the fearful

organisms such as e-coli, salmonella, TB, camph., and listeria. Those

are the main things that the pediatrician deems life threatening from

raw goat's milk. I am doing my best to research these issues, but any

help I can get would be appreciated. If I win this appeal, it could

benefit not just myself, but it could possibly benefit someone in the

future who has to deal with this same issue. I read about so many of

us fearful of telling our doctors that we drink raw milk or our child

drinks raw milk, but honestly, I'm not afraid of telling people I

drink it and especially doctors. In my opinion and what I've chosen

is that the more doctors realize that their patient's are drinking

this nutritious food, it forces them to deal with it. Do any of you

think that they will ever be able to put all the raw milk producers

out? Never, that will never happen. So I'm not afraid that I'll never

be able to nourish my body with raw milk. I'm not going to hide from

telling people I drink raw milk, what's the point in that? Think

about that for a second. What does the WAP foundation gain by us

hiding the fact that we and our children drink raw milk? The WAP

foundation is probably our biggest supporter in consuming raw milk.

If I'm wrong someone correct me, I'm still kinda new to it. I say, if

doctor's, schools, neighbors etc. ask, tell them, don't feel like you

have to hide from their persecution. If you feel like you have to

hide and are afraid of persecution, then that appears to me that you

don't think that you have enough support from the rest of us. I like

to feel that I have and will continue to get the support for the

choices I've made for myself and my children. That is one of the

reasons I've joined this group. There are so few people out there who

support our choices that I hope that this is one place we can count

on. I got an e-mail from Sally Fallon saying how important my case

was because this case isn't just about me and my child. I thanked her

for not leaving me on the battle field to fend for myself, she gave

me some good news and I'm praying for more cause God know's I can't

do this alone. So to all of you who have e-mailed me off list and

those of you who have given me encouragement with your posts, thank

you. I'll just have to see how it turns out.

Ben

> --- In RawDairy , " wannabe_guru " <wannabe_guru@y...>

>

> Ben

>

> I haven't gotten the chance to read other people's responses to

your

> dilemma (sp?) to see if they have asked the same question but is

> their any chance of reversal of this judgement if you can present

> data to the contrary?

>

> Doctors know absolutely squat about nutrition, and even less about

> general healthy eating. I come from a family of doctors and am a

> nurse myself.

>

> If you ask most doctors what foods they can get different

> vitamins/minerals etc from you'll most likely get a huge question

> mark!

>

> Not all doctors are the same of course. . . In fact there is

probably

> a doctor/pediatrician near you that might want to take this on in

> court. There is enough scientific data out there now to support

the

> consumption of raw milk etc.

>

>