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-I agree. Except for comparing ron with hitler .. He never wanted to

kill anyone.

I beleive all those quotes are accurate..

And i beleive people have been cured of leukemia. And many other

diseases as they are almost all pscyhosomatic.

Again we can agree to disagree.

I only heard of one case here who was cured of all arthritis in one

auditing session. Although that is not the purpose of auditing.

The son you refer to was not raised by ron . I had heard he was a

critic of scientology .He had one son before he married his wife sue

and with sue he had 3 children who are all scientolgists.. though one

son died

I met two of them (both in their 20s i think ) very briefly back in

1973 or 74 at a scientology convention. his daughter was very

beautiful and actually gave me a flower and spoke to me very briefly .

I was sort of overwhelmed and i gave the flower to someone else

standing by me. becuase i was not a scientologist and felt unworthy i

guess. But i have not heard or seen anything about her since.

I assume she is active in scientology but keeps a low profile.

no pictures and no info that i know of.

Also i was not a scientolgist at the time.. I was just interested

I started one course and quit.

As I keep writing over and over.

Since you have so much info on scientology I wonder if you have ever

taken a course?

I dont think you could keep an open mind because your mind is already

made up. I would not recommend it anyway I have a feeling you would

disrupt the place.

Also i doubt if there is one near you.

Youve read all the negative and none of the postive.

oh well, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " White Lion " <elven_singer@y...>

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>

> >

> > I read the book you referred to PScychiatry the MEn behind Hitler

> and

> > i didnt find it funny at all. I dont know how you thought it was.

> > IM assuming you thought it was a lie.

> > For those who havent read it.. its a very long book and very well

> > documented but to make a long story short.. they had shown that in

> the

> > beginning.. a group of pscyhiatrists decided they should elliminate

> > undesirables from the planet and started with mentally retarded..

> The

> > first camps were mentally retarded homes and the children were

> gassed

> > and the parents were sent phony death certificates.

>

> Dear Roslyn, this part of history you described is yes reflected in

> the book though heavily fabricated.

> The fact that Hitler had instituted a " euthenasia " for undesireables

> such as mentally retarded and homosexuals quickly become a world

> known fact, nothing to do with this book.

> Also the group of psychiatrists involved didn't have an initial

> decision, actually there were hardly any real psychiatrists

> involved, instead willing freaks like Dr. Mengele was giving free

> rule.

>

> I'm quite knowledgable of the facts surrounding WW2, read a lot and

> every week I spend hours in debate with neo-nazis and other racist

> groups.

>

> One learns to read from a critical and scientific point of view,

> which is a view that really makes one laugh at the theories in this

> book about Hitler, it had nothing to do with psychiatrists and also

> it was ALWAYS about the jews, don't you understand that important

> part of reality Roslyn??

>

> Hitler wrote " if there is no more power to fight for the own health,

> the right to live comes to an end. " (Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf,

> p.282).

>

> This was his philosophy of life, long before WW2 you see.

> It's all about depraved and psychotic men, not psychiatrists holding

> the sticks, that's a laugh.

>

> Here is some factual info on the euthanasia history of WW2:

> http://www.deathcamps.org/euthanasia/t4intro.html

>

> > I have never been a scientologist I have read several books and

> > totally think Hubbard was amazing. Still i can see why you hate

> it.

> > you have made up your mind and once someones mind is made up and

> they

> > are set in a story its best not to mess with that story.

> >

> > You keep your story and ill keep mine,

> > rh

>

> " Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight

> cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after

> medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has

> been reported to be an engram containing the phrase `It turns my

> blood to water.' "

>

> - L. Ron Hubbard, " Journal of Scientology, " Issue 15-G, 1953

>

> " This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start

> investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own

> professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by

> saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid,

> blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don't

> ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough

> on attackers all the way. "

>

> - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25

> February 1966

>

> " A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman

> (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her

> to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually

> (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain

> operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal.

> Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every

> psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more

> than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them. "

>

> - L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February

> 1966, " Project Psychiatry "

>

> Mmm yes, amazing man. Whaveter Hubbardis about and Scientology, it

> has nothing to do with science, that's probably the most obvious

> part.

>

> Holding claims up to be compared to how natural laws work and

> empirical data simply puts Scientology in the " woo woo " field.

>