Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 I can't answer your question about Canadian/American INCIs, but many of the INCIs on the Oshun site are not EU INCIs. Illogically, European and US INCIs are often quite different, but both are called INCI. Puts a whole new meaning on the " International " bit... Rose The London Soap Company In a message dated 15/3/02 11:20:21 pm, Cosmeticinfo writes: << Yes....I do. But, in an effort to find the answer myself, I went to the Oshun site page for INCI names. On their site, the entry says " Milk (cow's fresh or dried) INCI - " Lac " . I wonder why? It does *not* say EU name. I am under the impression that North America (not just the US) uses INCI names (this according to the Oshun site). Does Canada use EU, and are all the names on their list EU names and not INCI names (as they say they are)? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 >What are the INCI names for the various milk powders? I have whole milk >powder, goat's milk powder, and buttermilk powder. I know that the INCI >name for milk is " Lac " , so would I list goat's milk powder as Goat's Lac >Powder??? Dorothy, don't you live in the US? If you live in the EU, Lac is a valid name for Milk. In the USA, the INCI name for milk is Milk. The INCI name for Powdered Skim Milk is Nonfat Dry Milk. The INCI name for Buttermilk Powder is Buttermilk Powder. The INCI name for Goat Milk is Goat Milk. There was not listing in my INCI dictionary for Goat Milk Powder. I thinl using Goat Milk Powder as an INCI name would be satifactory, given the other nomenclature used. Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 > What are the INCI names for the various milk powders? I have whole milk > powder, goat's milk powder, and buttermilk powder. I know that the INCI > name for milk is " Lac " , so would I list goat's milk powder as Goat's Lac > Powder??? Dorothy, Goat Milk was discussed in-depth earlier this month. If you check the archives I believe you will find what you are looking for. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... http://www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 " Maurice O. Hevey " wrote: > Dorothy, don't you live in the US? If you live in the EU, Lac is a > valid name for Milk. In the USA, the INCI name for milk is Milk. The > INCI name for Powdered Skim Milk is Nonfat Dry Milk. Yes....I do. But, in an effort to find the answer myself, I went to the Oshun site page for INCI names. On their site, the entry says " Milk (cow's fresh or dried) INCI - " Lac " . I wonder why? It does *not* say EU name. I am under the impression that North America (not just the US) uses INCI names (this according to the Oshun site). Does Canada use EU, and are all the names on their list EU names and not INCI names (as they say they are)? I'm glad I asked here. Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI names on the web? Thank you for clearing this up! Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 > I'm glad I asked here. Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI > names on the web? Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. If my memory serves me correctly there once was talk of the US adopting the EU nomenclature for those chemicals that we differ on. If this is/was the case then I assume Sherri was saving herself some time by not having to do it again. Then again, she will probably address this herself as she is a valued member of this list. Personally, I am grateful to have such a resource. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... http://www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 Aqua and Lac are called EU trivial names. The following is a quote from the International Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary and Handbook, Eighth Edition: " In the EU, " trivial " names are listed in the EU Cosmetic Ingredient Inventory. These names represent common names that should be easily recognized by consumers in the EU where eleven different languages are spoken. The trivial names are based primarily on designations taken from the European Pharmacopoeia. Examples of such INCI labeling names harmonized for the U.S. and EU markets are shown below: * Water (Aqua) * Beeswax (Cera Alba) * Sea Salt (Maris Sal) EU Trivial Name Functions Functions for EU trivial names can be found in the EU Cosmetic Ingredient Inventory, 1996. A trivial name may have differing functions dependent on the ingredient preparation. To prevent confusion, the functions for the trivial names are not listed in the Dictionary. " Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 If you say that the Oshun list is the most complete and reliable then I certainly will continue to use it. I didn't mean to insult Sherri and I apologize if it sounded that way - I just know so very little that it is impossible for me to discern (at this point) what sources of information are reliable and which are not. I guess that it was just coincidence that the first and only time I used the list to look up an INCI name the one I looked up was listed incorrectly (for my purposes). As you know, I'm not selling anything (only giving away to family and friends) the soaps and toiletries that I make. Almost all of the dry ingredients that I buy are shipped in plastic bags, which are difficult to store. So, I bought a bunch of large plastic jars to repackage all these dry ingredients. While I was making the labels for the jars, it occurred to me that I should label each jar with the common name AND the INCI name of the contents- that way, I would learn (over time) the correct INCI names for the ingredients I use most frequently. Dorothy Pat McDonnell wrote: > > Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I > am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be > applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. <snip> Personally, I am grateful to have such a resource. > > Pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 >Can you point me to a more reliable list of INCI >names on the web? The only other one I know of is all EU nomenclature. Of course you can go to Amazon and buy the dictionary yourself: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1882621220/avsearch-bkasin-20/104-8387440\ -5879124 As it states at the top of our INCI translator page, it hasn't been updated in well over a year. Some of the names I was given have since proved to be incorrect or EU versions, these will be corrected when I update the translator in a month or so. Warmly, Sherri Oshun - Your Wholesale Source for Quality Cosmetic Ingredients & Packaging www.oshun.ca Order online in our new faster WebWarehouse ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 1/21/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 >Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I >am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be ....slapped with wet noodle for not keeping it up to date? LOL! Thanks, Pat. It is a lot of work that I just haven't had time to get to as yet. It is a project that is now second on my priority list for extra work. I've just got a notebook pc and will be networking it with my main pc in the next couple of days so that I can work at night on these extra projects and the web site. I hope to get to updating the INCI translator within a month. My goal is simply to have a common/chemical name to 8th edition INCI translator for all the cosmetic ingredients we carry, as well as many others commonly used by small manufacturers. I'm not aware of what the plans are for harmonizing NA and EU INCI names currently, I was simply given incorrect information on those milk names back when I first created the translator. They will be corrected when I update the page. Warmly, Sherri Oshun - Your Wholesale Source for Quality Cosmetic Ingredients & Packaging www.oshun.ca Order online in our new faster WebWarehouse ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 1/21/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 Sure can! Thanks for keeping me from having to spend that money! Your chart is a great resource. Jen > Of course you can go > to Amazon and buy the dictionary yourself: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1882621220/avsearch-bkasin-20/104-838 7440-5879124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 I second this, and in addition, since the EU INCI simply lacks straightforward listings for many, many label ingredients used by handmade soapmakers (we have no INCIs for saponified sunflower oil, cocoa butter etc etc. The 'missing' list is larger than the one's that are present!), I have it bookmarked as an exemplar for how our listing should read when we finally get the legislators to recognise us as part of the mainstream industry! Rose The London Soap Company > > Sherri put in a tremendous amount of work compiling this list. As far as I > am aware it is the most extensive list on the net and she ought to be > applauded for putting up such a list for all of us to use. If my memory > serves me correctly there once was talk of the US adopting the EU > nomenclature for those chemicals that we differ on. If this is/was the case > then I assume Sherri was saving herself some time by not having to do it > again. Then again, she will probably address this herself as she is a valued > member of this list. Personally, I am grateful to have such a resource. > > Pat. > > Peace, Joy, Serenity > House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. > pat@h... > http://www.hous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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